thehelios Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 After 3 hours of smoking out of a phunnel with Mizo watermelon (awesome session btw), I go to the kitchen to clean up. I first take off the bowl, place it face down on the counter, loosen up the foil, and lift the bowl off. When doing so, I don't know why, but a bunch of fumes were released. I guess I breathed in too much of this and began to feel like I was about to faint. I lay on the floor to try to recollect my self and I guess it kind of eased the feelings of fainting. I plan on going to sleep but had to use the bathroom first. As I'm relieving myself, the symptoms of fainting increase. When I'm done, I get out of the door, and next thing I know, I'm on the ground, opening my eyes, with my friend screaming at me to wake up. Oh joy, I did faint and was out for 2 minutes according to my buddy. My EMT girlfriend woke up and helped me out from there and I felt all fine. I've only ever fainted 2 other times in my life but once was due to "locking my legs" during a line-up inspection in NJROTC and the second was a combination of my lack of tolerance to alcohol (just had 4 shots of vodka, damn asian genes) and lack of sleep. My bowl was smoking well the entire 3 hour session with no burning flavor at all. I have never had fumes escape a bowl like that unless I charred the hell out of the tobacco. Anyone have any ideas wth happened to me last night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liquidglass Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Could be a combo of things 1) what kind of coals did you use (as well as how many and size phunnel) 2) what was your eating pattern around the smoking session 3) were you inside or outside and where were the coals lit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvtaco17 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 sounds like oxygen deprivation to me... was the area you were smoking in ventilated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 [quote name='kvtaco17' date='10 January 2010 - 01:56 AM' timestamp='1263110193' post='444303'] sounds like oxygen deprivation to me... was the area you were smoking in ventilated? [/quote] I'm agreeing with this. Oxygen deprivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff_T Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Could be oxygen dep. like KV stated. Did you have your legs(knees) locked while you were getting stuff cleaned? I fainted once from locking my legs in the airport. Such a crazy feeling. I was out for like 30 sec max, but felt like I had been asleep for 8hrs and also felt like I had a dream during that 30sec. 2 min seems like a while to be out though, may want to consult a physician. Hope you're doing better though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 A 3hr session is a long time to smoke...I recomend using a smaller bowl and 1hr sessions...Its OK to pack anouther bowl if you want to go longer and the good 15-20 intermission will do you some good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantastik Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 If i unravel the foil the same way you do, phunnel face down and its still has a good amount of heat in the shisha (set of coals Just died) i get pummeled with a TON of fumes from the bowl. Unlike your case, (mizo watermelon) I had tangiers OG horchata, and oh man did that choke me up. I'm only exposed for a second or two, so its not a big factor for if/when a sesh. does knock me out. And i agree with the above posters, but the second part (fumes as we call it) from the leftover bowl very well could have been the paper that broke the camel's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Shock Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 A COMBONATION od oxygen deprivation, as well as CO2 poisining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 [quote name='Jacob Shock' date='10 January 2010 - 04:19 AM' timestamp='1263125969' post='444321'] A COMBONATION od oxygen deprivation, as well as CO2 poisining. [/quote] CO poisoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 you were smoking for 3 hrs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cheng Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 I think its Oxygen deprivation too. Something similar happened to me before whilst me and my friends were smoking. I sat outside to get fresh air for about 5 mins. That did the trick, I didnt smoke after that, I called it a night and went home for some ZzzzZZzzzzZzzzz. I have not fainted from Shisha, the only bad thing I got was a badass headache from QL coals and also got the same thing when smoking before eating. I used to be able to wake up in the morning, drink some tea and smoke without eating. Anyways, 3 hours is a long time to smoke, you should of drank a hot drink and had a bite to eat after. I always feel hungry after a good Shisha session Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehelios Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 Seems like I was overwhelmed by CO when I took off the foil. I did have a bunch of breaks during the 3 hour session. Now I hold my breath when I remove the foil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjako Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 [quote name='thehelios' date='09 January 2010 - 11:46 PM' timestamp='1263105981' post='444296'] After 3 hours of smoking out of a phunnel with Mizo watermelon (awesome session btw), I go to the kitchen to clean up. I first take off the bowl, place it face down on the counter, loosen up the foil, and lift the bowl off. When doing so, I don't know why, but a bunch of fumes were released. I guess I breathed in too much of this and began to feel like I was about to faint. I lay on the floor to try to recollect my self and I guess it kind of eased the feelings of fainting. I plan on going to sleep but had to use the bathroom first. As I'm relieving myself, the symptoms of fainting increase. When I'm done, I get out of the door, and next thing I know, I'm on the ground, opening my eyes, with my friend screaming at me to wake up. Oh joy, I did faint and was out for 2 minutes according to my buddy. My EMT girlfriend woke up and helped me out from there and I felt all fine. I've only ever fainted 2 other times in my life but once was due to "locking my legs" during a line-up inspection in NJROTC and the second was a combination of my lack of tolerance to alcohol (just had 4 shots of vodka, damn asian genes) and lack of sleep. My bowl was smoking well the entire 3 hour session with no burning flavor at all. I have never had fumes escape a bowl like that unless I charred the hell out of the tobacco. Anyone have any ideas wth happened to me last night? [/quote] I imagine oxygen deprivation and not necessarily "fumes" from the bowl. Even if it doesn't Burn, you can realllly smoke up a room with hookah. You typically will never notice unless 1) someone else points it out, or 2) you leave for a farther-away room and come back. Crack a window and ventilate. 3 hours can give me a headache without some ventilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiz Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 So, your bod is a machine, right? No, I'm not saying "you're ripped," simply that bodies are mechanical in nature and as such, things we do to them, or that they may do to us, yield predictable results. First, a 3 hour hookah session will leave you relaxed; low heart rate, lowish blood pressure. The nicotine may mess with this some, but that depends a lot on your tolerance. So there you are, relaxed, down there by your pipe (who smokes standing up, right?). You finish your bowl, and you stand up. Well, in standing up you just made some new demands on your machine. Going from sitting, or laying down, to standing up requires a significant change in blood pressure. Your body does this through a combination of increasing pulse and constricting arteries. Problem is, when you're all relaxed that process can take a bit longer than you're used to, with the result of some dizziness. Now you pop the top off your bowl and get a whiff of some "fumes." May be they were just basic products of combustion (water vapor, co2, co, etc.), but even a nice big single breath of CO probably won't make you dizzy. However, the fact that you've been breathing in CO for the entire time you've been smoking if your room isn't ventilated can certainly impact you. The problem with CO is that it binds with your hemoglobin and sticks there like crazy, which in turn blocks oxygen from catching the hemoglobin bus. Now your brain is counting on that bus to deliver oxygen as it passes through. If all you're doing is laying around near the floor your brain may be getting by. But you went and stood up, which increased you're brain's demand for oxygen, or rather, made it more difficult for your body to carry oxygen up to your brain. Who knows, maybe the warm air in the room (assuming no fan to circulate air) left more products of combustion up around the top half of the room, so you got a triple-whammy: brain is crying for more O2 but not only is your body failing to increase your blood pressure to deliver it, not only do you already have a decreased O2 carrying capacity due to increased CO, but now there's an even higher percentage of CO in the air at your new (now that you're standing up) altitude. Those hemoglobin buses are now running slower than usual and they're not carrying enough O2 to meet demands anyway. Very dizzy... Lay back down and the symptoms abate, which was the right thing to do. Until... You decide you need to take a trip to the "water closet." Now you're more vertical than your body wants to be again, and perhaps you're a little queazy in the tummy from the dizzies (and the CO, which can make you nauseous). Your body has a nerve that travels through your abdomen called the "vagus" nerve. The cool thing about this nerve is that it's possible to over-stimulate it by "bearing down" (like when you're sitting on the toilet constipated). When this happens the nerve sends a message to your brain to rapidly lower your pulse and blood pressure. Pilots use this procedure to fight G-forces when they're making hard turns and sharp altitude changes in order to keep from loosing consciousness. If it happens to you on the ground, however, it usually has the opposite effect (especially if you're already woozy). In particular, this vagus nerve stimulation can take place in men (especially young healthy ones) when they're standing up to pee, resulting in what is called "micturition syncope" (a fancy way of saying you passed out after you peed). So, in a way, you could say that yes, it was probably "O2 deprivation," though not likely from the levels of oxygen in the room being significantly depleted. It's more likely that a combination of systems in your "machine" weren't functioning properly. The good news is that it's all completely controllable. Next time keep some air moving in the room, vent out the stale air and bring in fresh; get up a bit more carefully/slowly, clean out the bowl outside or under a vent hood in the kitchen; and read up on the amount of CO the various kinds of coals emit, from what I've read there can be quite a difference. CO is terrible for you, both short term and long term, so it's worth the extra hassle to go with the coals that burn clean and to keep a supply of fresh air through your sessions. It was probably a one time thing, but if it does happen again, you should check in with a doctor. Want to stay healthy in order to enjoy a nice long lifetime of smoking, right? Cheers, Oiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineout Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 ^best reply on anything ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 I would be inclined to believe there is something in there that shouldn't be inhaled. That amount of CO2 or CO isn't enough to knock you on your ass. Do you use bleach or cleaner in your bowl/hookah? I have been looking at the presence of some stuff like diglycerol or dipropylene glycol in some imported stuff. I would imaine the vapors are fairly dense and are living at the bottom of the bowl. Perhaps it was one of these. Did you feel tightness in your chest? Sweating? Palpitations? Anything like that? Accelerated heart rate? You're relatively sure you felt fine up until you pulled the foil/tobacco from the bowl, though? How long was it between when you stopped smoking and the cleaning incident? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I actually experienced this tonight. I packed some Tangiers Schnozzberry in a regular egyptian. Flipped it upside down in the sink."WHOA! What the hell was that?" I got a huge whiff of some nasty fumes. I immediately backed up. I never had that before and right after I was like "Wheres that thread?" haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codename067 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Take breaks between sessions, or don't smoke for a prolonged period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='dizzbizz' date='13 January 2010 - 02:48 AM' timestamp='1263376114' post='445010'] I actually experienced this tonight. I packed some Tangiers Schnozzberry in a regular egyptian. Flipped it upside down in the sink."WHOA! What the hell was that?" I got a huge whiff of some nasty fumes. I immediately backed up. I never had that before and right after I was like "Wheres that thread?" haha [/quote] Interesting. What did it smell like? How do you clean your bowl/hookah? We smell it all the time while we're cooking it. We cook it off so you don't have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='Sonthert' date='13 January 2010 - 04:30 AM' timestamp='1263382228' post='445014'] [quote name='dizzbizz' date='13 January 2010 - 02:48 AM' timestamp='1263376114' post='445010'] I actually experienced this tonight. I packed some Tangiers Schnozzberry in a regular egyptian. Flipped it upside down in the sink."WHOA! What the hell was that?" I got a huge whiff of some nasty fumes. I immediately backed up. I never had that before and right after I was like "Wheres that thread?" haha [/quote] Interesting. What did it smell like? How do you clean your bowl/hookah? We smell it all the time while we're cooking it. We cook it off so you don't have to. [/quote] I can't really explain how it smelled but it just felt thick. I scrub my hookah with hot water and a brush after every session, same goes for my bowls. But this is the first time I flipped the bowl upside down to clean. Usually I toss the foil and shisha in the trash then clean, but this time I just took everything and flipped it upside down in the sink. Weird. I'll see if I get anything like this with AF or Starbuzz. [size=2][quote name='Codename067' date='13 January 2010 - 03:28 AM' timestamp='1263378498' post='445012'] Take breaks between sessions, or don't smoke for a prolonged period. [/quote] I smoked for 45 minutes.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha82991 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 The same exact thing happened to me yesterday! After about a 2 hour smoke session with Starbuzz pomegranate, I go into the kitchen to clean up my hookah, when I suddenly start feeling really dizzy and nauseous. The next thing I know, my friends are freaking out and carrying me to the couch, because apparently I blacked out. No idea what caused it, but it was scary as hell. I've never experienced it before. But I'm glad to know I'm not the only one this has happened to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 soylent green is people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelflage Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 oxygen deprivation combined with blood settling from not moving much for a period of time. we used to have people pass out in the lounge from time to time.. get up and move around some while going for long sessions, and take breathers every now and then to get your o2 up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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