Sonthert Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I don't want any of you to think I'm bashing other brands when I'm inquiring about additives they may or may not be adding to their tobacco. I think some of the symptoms you guys attribute to CO poisoning might be something else. Tobacco, charcoal, bowl, soap, cleaning stuff, something. I was starting with tobacco as the potential cause, but I seem to have riled some people. A couple of bugs crawled out of the woodwork and I'm not going to be intimidated or cowed. They seem to know the answer I'm looking for or don't like me looking for an answer. I'm just a curious person, not trying to be critical. Not worth a big thing over, though. I do best by keeping my head down and flying low. As such, I'm not going to mention it further. Consider the matter closed on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineout Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 im curious, if you could explain further in a PM..even if not totally founded i would like to know at least the direction youre going...research always excites/entertains me (why im an engineer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no longer welcome Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 woah, this is interesting, now i really can't wait to see you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 missed it again... dang it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnygaard Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I would like to be clued in on your findings, Eric. Every once in a while, I get a weird feeling like my ears are plugged up or a headache from Nakhla. I use CH QLs, and they are fully lit before I take the first draw. The headaches don't happen with Tangiers or AF, only sometimes with Nakhla. Now only if Indiana's weather would stay consistent, I can't even touch my Tangiers right now without it being harsh. I've tried reacclimation and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sine Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I think that, if anyone were to find a likely culprit, we're all mature enough to overlook any ulterior motive on behalf of the poster, even if he is the president of a shisha empire... and if someone on the board lacks that maturity, they should just go elsewhere. I think if anyone, including you, Eric, makes any discoveries or has justified suspicions on this topic, they should feel free to speak openly about it. I'm sure the vast majority of the board would be interested in what you have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZ22 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Heck yes I'd be interested in learning what some companies put in their tobacco! Whistle blow away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Tangiers is the only shisha that doesn't give you those headaches or different health impacts that can be experienced with different brands. Everybody tends to think the opposit because it has the most nicotine content. Why that? Maybe the packing technique? But additive seems to be the most reasonable part. Fantasia is said to not beeing allowed making shisha for the German market because of prohibited additives although the wanted to make a low glycerin version for the Germans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sine Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 To be fair, I have to agree with what Eric just said. I have been made nauseous smoking SB and others, but despite the intense buzz I get from the nicotine, I've never gotten sick off Tang (except the first time I smoked it -- straight, out of a phunnel with a mod, fluffed up. It just roasted... felt liked I just inhaled an entire cigar...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sine Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 *pinky, not Eric lol.... it wouldn't let me edit the post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. B Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 (edited) What exactly is at risk here by telling us? Also, didn't you specifically request that Tangiers tobacco not be chemically analyzed, Eric? Edited January 13, 2010 by Dr. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fcbayern Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I dont exactly know what is going on here because I have been away for a while. But generally speaking, I think consumers have a right to know what ingredients or additives they are ingesting. To me its only logical. I mean the ingredients have to be on food lables, why not on tobacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 wow, i have no clue what is going on here. none of this makes any sense to me. i know i get headaches from smoking, i usually chalk it off to 1. the nicotine 2. lake of oxygen 3. the coals 4. dehydration if there is something i am missing, id love to know, i hate headaches. i know the more beer i drink during smoking, the more i get headaches and the worse they hurt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='delSol_si' date='13 January 2010 - 02:00 PM' timestamp='1263412832' post='445065'] wow, i have no clue what is going on here. none of this makes any sense to me. i know i get headaches from smoking, i usually chalk it off to 1. the nicotine 2. lake of oxygen 3. the coals 4. dehydration if there is something i am missing, id love to know, i hate headaches. i know the more beer i drink during smoking, the more i get headaches and the worse they hurt... [/quote] id also love to know, every now and again i do get a headache but not as often. mostly when i smoke OG tang, but my face melts more than my head hurts lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted January 14, 2010 Author Share Posted January 14, 2010 Like I said, won't comment further on it here. Sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seefoodlover Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Fantasia is tasty, but man first time I smoked it out of a phunnel, after about 20 mins of ripping huge flavorful clouds, i had to go sit in the shower, my stomach was killing me. thought it was strange. On different note, ordering some Tang this next month (rubs hands together) should be exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 for some reason, i thought this thread was going to be: "I get it.....I'll get you guys your damn Bug Powder!! now, STFU!!!" oh well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 [quote name='Sonthert' date='13 January 2010 - 08:58 PM' timestamp='1263437898' post='445171'] Like I said, won't comment further on it here. Sorry about that. [/quote] i like your comments though....and your product. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 [quote name='delSol_si' date='13 January 2010 - 10:10 PM' timestamp='1263442223' post='445192'] [quote name='Sonthert' date='13 January 2010 - 08:58 PM' timestamp='1263437898' post='445171'] Like I said, won't comment further on it here. Sorry about that. [/quote] i like your comments though....and your product. [/quote] ive got 1.5 kilo of his product arriving at my door friday. and i understand he doesnt want to get into it and i respect his decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delSol_si Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 i respect it, i just dont like it. eric almost always has very interesting things to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Well this is sad, it's always nice to discuss and hear what Eric has to say. In the past he has given me quite a good bit of info on my favorite tobacco that has made me like the product even more, keeping in mind he manufactures and sells a different brand tobacco. - Not many owners of companies would willingly credit their competitors. Oh and just for the record, since there has been discussion of nakhla and other brands and their headache issues and what not ... just from people that have smoked with me at my house i've had about 100 people give or take smoke full sessions with me and 1 person got a headache that I can remember. I do believe certain brands put stuff in their mix that cause headaches, it has happened to me with fantasia and the like. But i do also think there are brands that will smoke any which way you want them to, but depending on how you set it up, may increase your chances of a headache. Where as with tang, if it is packed any way, it is going to be no good, granted many have different techniques, at the end of the day it is always packed pretty full in order for a good smoke. - That isn't the case with many other brands. I guess what I am trying to say is in order for tang to work, it has a specific set of requirements that many other brands don't require. Therefore for other brands it increases the chances of "Oh this tastes really good I must be doing it right, (10 min later) ughhh wtf this headache sucks!" Leaving you to believe you packed it right but you got a headache, when in reality packing it differently = no headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippo_Master Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Hmm, so should we not be smoking hookah tobacco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 [quote name='mattarios2' date='15 January 2010 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1263488402' post='445289'] Well this is sad, it's always nice to discuss and hear what Eric has to say. In the past he has given me quite a good bit of info on my favorite tobacco that has made me like the product even more, keeping in mind he manufactures and sells a different brand tobacco. - Not many owners of companies would willingly credit their competitors. Oh and just for the record, since there has been discussion of nakhla and other brands and their headache issues and what not ... just from people that have smoked with me at my house i've had about 100 people give or take smoke full sessions with me and 1 person got a headache that I can remember. I do believe certain brands put stuff in their mix that cause headaches, it has happened to me with fantasia and the like. But i do also think there are brands that will smoke any which way you want them to, but depending on how you set it up, may increase your chances of a headache. Where as with tang, if it is packed any way, it is going to be no good, granted many have different techniques, at the end of the day it is always packed pretty full in order for a good smoke. - That isn't the case with many other brands. I guess what I am trying to say is in order for tang to work, it has a specific set of requirements that many other brands don't require. Therefore for other brands it increases the chances of "Oh this tastes really good I must be doing it right, (10 min later) ughhh wtf this headache sucks!" Leaving you to believe you packed it right but you got a headache, when in reality packing it differently = no headache. [/quote] I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Well, agree to a certain degree. Nakhla can be packed very similar to Tangiers and then it may give slightly headaches. Not the major ones from under packing but a little. I only get those major headaches from underpacking although the tobacco (Al Fakher for example) smokes and tastes well. I understand that Eric doesn't want to tell anything. Too much danger from the lawers of the tobacco companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 still no bug powder?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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