Uh Oh... Spaghetti O'S (Tangiers Issues)

[jaytoo3]

Hey peeps, I've had nothing but great experiences with tangiers up until now, my nice and acclimated packs have been great smelling but low in flavor, and my pack of ginger beer after a week is still smelling like BBQ sauce. Im in NYC. I've backtracked and searched and tried multiple methods of packing and heat management and hole patterns but i'm getting the same results, any advice on the two issues in front of me? Thanks.

BTW, i'm running with a mini phunnel or my small phunnel, golden Japanese coals/Coconaras and my new MZ. Heavy duty foil. Edited February 2, 2010 by jaytoo3

[sine]

To be honest, I've seen a lot of these "impossible to acclimate" claims, and I'm starting to wonder if a large number of them could be due to errors in production (not to knock Eric or Tangiers at all; quality management is complicated, especially on a product as delicately formulated as Tangiers, and on relatively small-scale production). Is it possible that the occassional batch has too much of one factor which makes acclimation in certain climates just unfeasible? Or maybe just the climate during the shisha's production could have an impact?

[indian_villager]

Freeze it for a while.....then acclimate for 4 hours and then leave it closed for a couple hours.

[Stuie]

What IV Said.

[Travis]

[quote name='indian_villager' date='01 February 2010 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1265084821' post='449064']
Freeze it for a while.....then acclimate for 4 hours and then leave it closed for a couple hours.
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Ive done this before......it works.

And Gods dont make mistakes. Jk i know Eric isnt a god calm down.

[Jeff_T]

jaytoo3, I had the same exact problem with my ginger beer. I can acclimate any other tangiers I've ever had with no prob and they come out smelling great and taste fine, but ginger beer never changed or did anything for me. I've done everything to try to remedy it, but it may just be the flavor? It's strange though that it's the only one I've ever had a prob with. I got 2 others in my order with the GB and both were fine and all acclimation conditions were the same...

[MechEng]

At his blog there is a list of the flavors and how difficult they are to acclimate. Google Tangiers Tobacco and look for the product guide. There is a whole wealth of info on his page.

[Sonthert]

Ginger Beer is kinda a problem child. Smoke it and see how it goes.

In terms of persistent acclimation problems, I used to approach it from the perspective that their might be a problem ,so I'd have the customer send the tobacco back with the proviso that if I found it to be defective, I would replace it, if I didn't, they would have to pay for shipping back. In over a dozen and a half instances from different people, all the tobacco they ever sent me, all of it smoked fine right out of the chute. I can't explain it...but there are some people with legitimate problems on a regular basis and other ones where people just don't want to try Tangiers and make up some BS to explain it. The first time I encountered it, I asked a guy if he had tried it, he said he had bt said it didn't smoke well. I asked him what flavors he tried, he listed two flavors and then mango. Of course, since I've never made a mango, I asked him to clarify and he disappeared into the woodwork. I estimate the percentage of people to have actual persistent acclimation problems to be about 1% of customers. The number of people claiming to have problems is much higher. When I contact people through a number of methods to find out how their purchase went, its 80-90% positive. After a little help, the amount of people who have no luck is about 5%. Rarely its from acclimation problems. There's a reasonable percentage that just don't like it above that. Problematic flavors like Blue Gum Ball, Strawberry, ginger beer and the former root beer, present a fair cross-section of problems.

[jaytoo3]

In the freezer, in a couple of hours i'll take it out and check on it. Thanks.

[jaytoo3]

Oh yeah, smoked it last night. KC Masterpiece. I'll let it freeze.

[Travis]

[quote name='Sonthert' date='02 February 2010 - 06:09 AM' timestamp='1265112582' post='449134']
Ginger Beer is kinda a problem child. Smoke it and see how it goes.

In terms of persistent acclimation problems, I used to approach it from the perspective that their might be a problem ,so I'd have the customer send the tobacco back with the proviso that if I found it to be defective, I would replace it, if I didn't, they would have to pay for shipping back. In over a dozen and a half instances from different people, all the tobacco they ever sent me, all of it smoked fine right out of the chute. I can't explain it...but there are some people with legitimate problems on a regular basis and other ones where people just don't want to try Tangiers and make up some BS to explain it. The first time I encountered it, I asked a guy if he had tried it, he said he had bt said it didn't smoke well. I asked him what flavors he tried, he listed two flavors and then mango. Of course, since I've never made a mango, I asked him to clarify and he disappeared into the woodwork. I estimate the percentage of people to have actual persistent acclimation problems to be about 1% of customers. The number of people claiming to have problems is much higher. When I contact people through a number of methods to find out how their purchase went, its 80-90% positive. After a little help, the amount of people who have no luck is about 5%. Rarely its from acclimation problems. There's a reasonable percentage that just don't like it above that. Problematic flavors like Blue Gum Ball, Strawberry, ginger beer and the former root beer, present a fair cross-section of problems.
[/quote]

You SHOULD make mango!

[Sonthert]

Yes, I should make mango. When I find one that meets our needs, I will buy it and make it for you.

[king_lunchb0x]

tangiers is like a trial and error thing, it takes a few tries to get it right but when u do, ur in shisha heaven. and a og mango does sound good Edited February 3, 2010 by king_lunchb0x

[mavsfan31]

I set my Blue Gumball out on a sheet of foil spread out for 4 hours, then put it in a jar. Let it acclimate for two more hours in there but still wasn't done. I took the freezer advice, leaving it in there for about 7 or 8 hours then took it out to acclimate for 4. I then put the lid of the jar back on for 4 hours and it still smells the same.

Any advice on what to do?

[Sonthert]

Blue Gum Ball always smells weird.

I would advise that you, in the future, don't acclimate it on a separate sheet. Some guys get good results like this, other people have nothing but problems. Pretend its like any other sheesha and go from there.

[sine]

[quote name='Sonthert' date='05 February 2010 - 06:57 AM' timestamp='1265371056' post='449868']
Blue Gum Ball always smells weird.

I would advise that you, in the future, don't acclimate it on a separate sheet. Some guys get good results like this, other people have nothing but problems. Pretend its like any other sheesha and go from there.
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Yeah, with BGB you kinda gotta assume it has achieved acclimation cuz it'll always smell kinda burnt, the only way I can tell is to smoke it... but when you do.... om nom nom...

[rahl071]

[quote name='jaytoo3' date='02 February 2010 - 08:45 AM' timestamp='1265125517' post='449160']
Oh yeah, smoked it last night. KC Masterpiece. I'll let it freeze.
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I would totally smoke something that tasted like Cattleman's. Eric, of all your goodies, which one is your favorite?

[dizzbizz]

I had this problem. My OG Tang smelled fantastic, but had the strongest tobacco flavor. I made the simple mistake of acclimating it indoors, when I smoke outdoors. Acclimate outside if thats where you smoke and vise versa. It fixed my issues, but if you do this already, ignore me and listen to everyone else.

[Namenone]

Yeah ive noticed this too. When i ordered Tangiers for the first time about a year ago(cocoa,k peach and BGB) the flavour and smoke was strong. This time around when i ordered some Tangiers(Lemon,K cherry, Sour, Green apple candy, static starlight) i foudn the smell to be amazing but the taste isn't as strong as it used to be.

Could i tbe because im using a Mini phunnel and its some heat managment issues? (1 QL split in two, 1 half on each side, or if im using coconaras i use 2 coconaras on either side)

[newjacksm]

[quote name='dizzbizz' date='05 February 2010 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1265426026' post='449998']
I had this problem. My OG Tang smelled fantastic, but had the strongest tobacco flavor. I made the simple mistake of acclimating it indoors, when I smoke outdoors. Acclimate outside if thats where you smoke and vise versa. It fixed my issues, but if you do this already, ignore me and listen to everyone else.
[/quote]

I have this problem
+Smells AMAZING
- Huge tobacco flavor get the feeling in my mouth as if im smoking a cigar!

I still have some of the tangiers Eric has sent me to sample/test to get it correct. I have gone threw all of but 1 bags of tangiers. For the most part I've got it smoking pretty well the first few bowls then it starts smoking with horrible tobacco flavor but with great smell.

I smoke indoors but with my window open and my hookah is right by the window so maybe this is why I have this issue. I usually acclimate in the dining room because its seculded from everything and no one goes in there.. In my room I have an ant problem (in the spring) the last thing I want is ants in my shisha! I will probably start acclimating in the garage or something... Edited February 7, 2010 by newjacksm

[dizzbizz]

[quote name='newjacksm' date='06 February 2010 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1265511411' post='450131']
[quote name='dizzbizz' date='05 February 2010 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1265426026' post='449998']
I had this problem. My OG Tang smelled fantastic, but had the strongest tobacco flavor. I made the simple mistake of acclimating it indoors, when I smoke outdoors. Acclimate outside if thats where you smoke and vise versa. It fixed my issues, but if you do this already, ignore me and listen to everyone else.
[/quote]

I have this problem
+Smells AMAZING
- Huge tobacco flavor get the feeling in my mouth as if im smoking a cigar!

I still have some of the tangiers Eric has sent me to sample/test to get it correct. I have gone threw all of but 1 bags of tangiers. For the most part I've got it smoking pretty well the first few bowls then it starts smoking with horrible tobacco flavor but with great smell.

[b] I smoke indoors but with my window open and my hookah is right by the window so maybe this is why I have this issue.[/b] I usually acclimate in the dining room because its seculded from everything and no one goes in there.. In my room I have an ant problem (in the spring) the last thing I want is ants in my shisha! I will probably start acclimating in the garage or something...
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Thats just complicated. I'd say acclimate it outside and try it. When you acclimate it, its adjusting to the moistre in the air. Your room's is different than outside's.

[newjacksm]

Yeah well, I do have it by the window because I also light coals in my room and I have a window open because I dont want it to stink up the room. I will definitely try acclimating outside or at least try acclimating in my room with the window open when there are no ants or buggers around. Edited February 7, 2010 by newjacksm

[Sonthert]

[quote name='newjacksm' date='06 February 2010 - 07:56 PM' timestamp='1265511411' post='450131']
[quote name='dizzbizz' date='05 February 2010 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1265426026' post='449998']
I had this problem. My OG Tang smelled fantastic, but had the strongest tobacco flavor. I made the simple mistake of acclimating it indoors, when I smoke outdoors. Acclimate outside if thats where you smoke and vise versa. It fixed my issues, but if you do this already, ignore me and listen to everyone else.
[/quote]

I have this problem
+Smells AMAZING
- Huge tobacco flavor get the feeling in my mouth as if im smoking a cigar!

I still have some of the tangiers Eric has sent me to sample/test to get it correct. I have gone threw all of but 1 bags of tangiers. For the most part I've got it smoking pretty well the first few bowls then it starts smoking with horrible tobacco flavor but with great smell.

I smoke indoors but with my window open and my hookah is right by the window so maybe this is why I have this issue. I usually acclimate in the dining room because its seculded from everything and no one goes in there.. In my room I have an ant problem (in the spring) the last thing I want is ants in my shisha! I will probably start acclimating in the garage or something...
[/quote]

That's generally a problem from not stirring well or, when you're packing the bowl, you primarily take too much tobacco off the top. Some people with this problem will see themselves taking tobacco off equally from top and bottom, but end up with a third coming from the bottom of the tub and 2/3 from the top. If you use tall containers with small footprints, this amplifies the problems. Shallow containers are best to help stop this problem.

[jaytoo3]

So yeah, more than half a month later, still bbq sauce. I've been backtracking on the forums for every solution i could possibly find and i'm not getting anywhere.

[mattarios2]

You are not alone jaytoo.