xnowandtheworldx Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Alright, well I'm in progress of upgrading my hookah and so I got myself a vortex bowl. I also bought some AF plum, and AF Lemon (my mom wanted lemon). I've gotten one good smoke from each, but the rest of the times I've tried it has been harsh/no good flavor. Setup - 17" Egyptian Scarab 1 hose Ice water filled about 2" above the stem Vortex bowl with AF plum or lemon 1 QL coal with makeshift windcover I pack the AF to right below the holes in the spire and make sure that its a fluffy pack. I'll put my coal on, then my makeshift windcover and let it bake for about....5 minutes. When it gets harsh (just a few minutes after pulling from the hose) it gets harsh, hurts the throat etc. I'll take of the windcover, no good, I'll remove the coal let it cool down a bit no good, I'll look at the shisha it's not burnt what-so-ever so...I'm at a loss....any suggestions? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amn_sinclair Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 i would say try packing more shisha into the bowl that is almost always the problem, personally when i pack a vortex i pack it tight up to the holes then pack it light until shisha is level with the tower. that is just my opinion though andd ive never smoked af like that so im not to sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xnowandtheworldx Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 [quote name='Amn_sinclair' date='11 February 2010 - 03:46 PM' timestamp='1265924806' post='450986'] i would say try packing more shisha into the bowl that is almost always the problem, personally when i pack a vortex i pack it tight up to the holes then pack it light until shisha is level with the tower. that is just my opinion though andd ive never smoked af like that so im not to sure [/quote] I'll go ahead and try that out later tonight. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcracer_tx Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Also, try splitting the ql in half to spread the heat better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 [quote name='xnowandtheworldx' date='11 February 2010 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1265924500' post='450985'] Alright, well I'm in progress of upgrading my hookah and so I got myself a vortex bowl. I also bought some AF plum, and AF Lemon (my mom wanted lemon). I've gotten one good smoke from each, but the rest of the times I've tried it has been harsh/no good flavor. Setup - 17" Egyptian Scarab 1 hose Ice water filled about 2" above the stem Vortex bowl with AF plum or lemon 1 QL coal with makeshift windcover I pack the AF to right below the holes in the spire and make sure that its a fluffy pack. I'll put my coal on, then my makeshift windcover and let it bake for about....5 minutes. When it gets harsh (just a few minutes after pulling from the hose) it gets harsh, hurts the throat etc. I'll take of the windcover, no good, I'll remove the coal let it cool down a bit no good, I'll look at the shisha it's not burnt what-so-ever so...I'm at a loss....any suggestions? Thanks [/quote] Well first off thats too much water. Just try regular water about 1/2" above the stem. Cut the coal in half, put both halves at opposite ends and get rid of the windcover. If its burning really quick you need more tobacco, try adding more if it persists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Just got done smoking some AF cinnamon in my vortex.my set up is QT. Packed the bowl right to the top.semi-fluffy not sprinkled. 2 qls 33mm broke in half. 3 pieces in a triangle. one piece waiting to be lit. no wind screen. never gets harsh and lasts about 1.5 hours. ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xnowandtheworldx Posted February 12, 2010 Author Share Posted February 12, 2010 Alright, well I just got back from smoking my hookah again, and once again, harsh smoke. I've tried all the suggestions, broke the coal in half, semi-packed it but not too much, had the coals opposite of each other. Not much smoke, and the smoke was harsh. I also noticed that everytime I take off the foil and it's been harsh there has been ash in the bowl. The shisha never actually burns..this has got me so confused... so to recap... when its harsh, i find ash in the bow barely any smoke 1/2" of water above my stem 1 QL (holland) split in half opposite of each other on the bowl semi-packed AF lemon 2 layers of foil poked wholes with a seamstress needle anyone else have some suggestions? Sooner I get it started, the sooner I get to enjoy shisha to its fullest Thanks for all your input guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='xnowandtheworldx' date='11 February 2010 - 08:08 PM' timestamp='1265944110' post='451049'] Alright, well I just got back from smoking my hookah again, and once again, harsh smoke. I've tried all the suggestions, broke the coal in half, semi-packed it but not too much, had the coals opposite of each other. Not much smoke, and the smoke was harsh. I also noticed that everytime I take off the foil and it's been harsh there has been ash in the bowl. The shisha never actually burns..this has got me so confused... so to recap... when its harsh, i find ash in the bow barely any smoke 1/2" of water above my stem 1 QL (holland) split in half opposite of each other on the bowl semi-packed AF lemon 2 layers of foil poked wholes with a seamstress needle anyone else have some suggestions? Sooner I get it started, the sooner I get to enjoy shisha to its fullest Thanks for all your input guys! [/quote] Make sure you use a lot of holes if you're using a sewing needle or just switch to a tooth pick to poke. You need good air flow, not barely any airflow. Light up another half so you have a total of 3 halves on the bowl. if that doesn't work take a half off, if its still harsh add more tobacco. Get rid of the two layers of foil, just use one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoapplesplease Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Trust me ditch the vortex for whatever egyptian bowl that came with your hookah...break up the AF and sprinkle it on the bowl untill its about 1/2 inch over the top of the rim of the bowl...squish down the tobacco with the foil poke about 20 tooth pick holes in it...use 1 QL coal if its the larger 40mm ones and 2 if its the 33mm ones and windcover to adjust the heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xnowandtheworldx Posted February 13, 2010 Author Share Posted February 13, 2010 I got it all good now , 1 layer of foil 2 QL coals split in half, 3 pieces in triangle formation, vortex packed to the top semi-fluffy smoking great now thanks for all the input guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcracer_tx Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 Nice, glad you got your hookah problems solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RingsMaster Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 [quote name='rcracer_tx' date='14 February 2010 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1266186390' post='451435'] Nice, glad you got your hookah problems solved [/quote] brett you never ever log in anymore and you had like 20 post today lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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