Water In Hose?

[r1v3th3ad]

I have a KM King Tut with KM Jumbo Vase and a Nammor hose...I don't understand it. I have the water levels right in the vase, but I keep finding small amounts of water in my hose...I'm thinking its humidity since water is constantly stolen from my fish tank...

thoughts?

anyone else ever have this problem?

[joytron]

why does it matter if you have a washable hose? Since the smoke passes through the water it is going to be moist.

[r1v3th3ad]

but then I get flavored water in my mouth, not too pleasant...I smoke laying on the coach

[Amn_sinclair]

[quote name='joytron' date='12 February 2010 - 05:27 AM' timestamp='1265948871' post='451069']
why does it matter if you have a washable hose? Since the smoke passes through the water it is going to be moist.
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thats exactly whats happening there is moisture in the smoke and as the smoke passes through the hose it starts to accumulate in the hosse and eventually you have enough condensation in there that when you blow out the hose water is going to come out. its natural and is going to happen pretty much no matter how much water is in your base. there is always condensation in the tip of my narbish after i take it off the hookah and some water drips out.

you dont really have any problems until your smoking and you can feel waater moving around in the hose while you inhale. your not gonna have that problem though unless you way over fill the hose lol

[r1v3th3ad]

I never had this problem with the old vase on it...it just started happening. Its about enough water to top off 3 50cent pieces, so its semi-significant.

again, this has never happened with another hookah of mine and it didnt happen when I had the old vase...I don't believe its just the vapor from the smoke due to this fact.

Its just rather agitating. I have a heba on it so I don't feel the draw and now with water coming in the hose I can feel the draw. Also it sucks getting the dirty water in your mouth...

[Codename067]

Something is wrong. It is almost impossible for water to travel through the hose that long!

The problem you are having is very weird...switch hoses and see if you still experience this problem. Get a KM hose out and give it a shot.

[r1v3th3ad]

I was wondering too if its the hose...its a large nammor, never had that with the small nammor...unfortunately I threw my KM hose out a few weeks ago, I'll try the small nammor all next week(it usually takes a day or two for the water to accumulate)

[delSol_si]

well, if you changed your vase, i would assume its the vase. i was getting water in my hose when i was using my MZ, my problem was the downstem isn't long enough, but i have the same problem with my myas, so maybe i just like too much water in my hookah. either way, you might try putting the old vase back on or extending your downstem, just make sure you don't use lead based solder if you decide to solder it. the easier way is, of course, rubber tubing, just looks ghetto.

[tlmasonaea]

Do you put your pipe six feet above the ground and then smoke laying down? As long as there's a sag in the hose, it'll catch the water because gravity works. I have the same problem from time to time, but I think it's because my roommate pulls on the hose too violently, either that or we're keeping our apartment cold enough to get the steam in the smoke to condense as it goes through the hose.

I smoke laying on the couch too and have never had this problem. Pipe sits on a table, hose goes down from pipe almost to floor then up to my mouth...

[delSol_si]

[quote name='tlmasonaea' date='12 February 2010 - 09:46 AM' timestamp='1265989569' post='451135']
Do you put your pipe six feet above the ground and then smoke laying down? As long as there's a sag in the hose, it'll catch the water because gravity works. I have the same problem from time to time, but I think it's because my roommate pulls on the hose too violently, either that or we're keeping our apartment cold enough to get the steam in the smoke to condense as it goes through the hose.

I smoke laying on the couch too and have never had this problem. Pipe sits on a table, hose goes down from pipe almost to floor then up to my mouth...
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im trying not to speak for rivet too much here, but you know how obnoxious it is to hear that gurgle sound (even though it is light) and then that have that instantaneous pullback suction that the water gives when it gets sucked up or caught in the hose?

[r1v3th3ad]

^^^^ yes indeed.

I was thinking, this could be partial to the heba, this was my first time using a heba and got it at the same time as large vase...

[superomario]

On a similar topic regarding water in the hose, do you feel the smoke is much more harsh under those conditions?

[ih303]

I've experienced something that I attribute to moisture in the hose as well but I don't really understand it. Every once in a while, I'll start smoking a hookah that's been smoked for a while, and the smoke is super thick - but not exactly the good kind of thick. It's like I'm breathing in a thick, wet vapor rather than the dryer "smoke" I'm used to. I experienced this last night with K-Cherry and a mix of AF Chocolate, AF Vanilla, and NK Strawberry. It's like I can feel the vapor coating my mouth and it's way too sweet. Gross.

The only thing I can think is somehow there is a lot more water vapor in the smoke than usual. But how is this possible? I can tell when there's water in my hose. It's not that. We use cold water, and they're 29"+ KM's filled about an inch up the stem. I can't figure it out.

Has anyone experienced this?

[tlmasonaea]

From time to time, I do notice that some of the OG Tang flavors are more "wet" or "dry" smokes almost like dry or sweet wines. KCherry is one of them that's consistently wet for me while KApple and KPeach are consistently drier.

[Arcane]

hmmm...i'm not sure, but i use the clear vinyl tubing as my hose. i find that when i'm smoking Tangiers, the inside of the hose develops pretty heavy condensation. the entire thing looks fogged over. i'd imagine there's more consdensation with the nammor, since it's wider guaged.

also, if you don't clean out your hookah after your session and leave it overnight....i see some water buildup near the hose port. i'm thinking this is due to evaporation.

these are just my observances...

[superomario]

Also make sure you aren't washing the hose just minutes before a smoke, that also causes the gravitation of the droplets to the lowest point of the hose. Similarly, make sure you dry out the hose darn well before smoking.

[JDShisha]

after every use blow out the hose, should stop the water from getting in.

[Sonthert]

There are two things that could cause this...assuming you aren't sucking water up into the hose.

1. You are smoking a flavor that has a strong reflux. Some flavors have a tendency to turn from a gas back into a liquid...or from a gas back into a solid, depending on the component in question. Some that reform as solids will suck liquid out of the vapor stream to wet it down. The liquid in this case would tend towards being bitter or sour, depending on the flavor and the component that is refluxing. This class of phenomena would be increased if the relative humidity is high and/or the temperature is low. Adding ice to the vase would make it worse, too.

2. You are smoking a high water content tobacco and the excess water in it is refluxing out in a similar fashion. I never have hoses rust out on me, because I only smoke low-water content tobaccos (like Tangiers). I've had a few slightly rusty hoses give up and reverse the rusting process. Why this is, I'm not sure...it might be the chelating action of molasses...but thats a guess. The same things that increase reflux above will increase water reflux, too. A flexible plastic hose from Home Depot or whatnot will not allow absorption, so it will tend to make the problem seem worse.

[mattarios2]

[quote name='Sonthert' date='14 February 2010 - 05:51 AM' timestamp='1266141091' post='451352']
There are two things that could cause this...assuming you aren't sucking water up into the hose.

1. You are smoking a flavor that has a strong reflux. Some flavors have a tendency to turn from a gas back into a liquid...or from a gas back into a solid, depending on the component in question. Some that reform as solids will suck liquid out of the vapor stream to wet it down. The liquid in this case would tend towards being bitter or sour, depending on the flavor and the component that is refluxing. This class of phenomena would be increased if the relative humidity is high and/or the temperature is low. Adding ice to the vase would make it worse, too.

2. You are smoking a high water content tobacco and the excess water in it is refluxing out in a similar fashion. I never have hoses rust out on me, because I only smoke low-water content tobaccos (like Tangiers). I've had a few slightly rusty hoses give up and reverse the rusting process. Why this is, I'm not sure...it might be the chelating action of molasses...but thats a guess. The same things that increase reflux above will increase water reflux, too.[b] A flexible plastic hose from Home Depot or whatnot will not allow absorption, so it will tend to make the problem seem worse.[/b]
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Ah so this is why my vinyl hoses have more moisture in them. I attributed it to the moisture in the smoke from traveling through the water. And I noticed my narbish doesn't have as much water in it as my vinyl when smoking the same tobacco ... and there is my answer.

[rcracer_tx]

I find that the larger ID vinyl tubing works pretty well. The mya hoses seem to be the worst for both draw and water for some reason.

[r1v3th3ad]

[quote name='Sonthert' date='14 February 2010 - 04:51 AM' timestamp='1266141091' post='451352']
There are two things that could cause this...assuming you aren't sucking water up into the hose.

1. You are smoking a flavor that has a strong reflux. Some flavors have a tendency to turn from a gas back into a liquid...or from a gas back into a solid, depending on the component in question. Some that reform as solids will suck liquid out of the vapor stream to wet it down. The liquid in this case would tend towards being bitter or sour, depending on the flavor and the component that is refluxing. This class of phenomena would be increased if the relative humidity is high and/or the temperature is low. Adding ice to the vase would make it worse, too.

2. You are smoking a high water content tobacco and the excess water in it is refluxing out in a similar fashion. I never have hoses rust out on me, because I only smoke low-water content tobaccos (like Tangiers). I've had a few slightly rusty hoses give up and reverse the rusting process. Why this is, I'm not sure...it might be the chelating action of molasses...but thats a guess. The same things that increase reflux above will increase water reflux, too. A flexible plastic hose from Home Depot or whatnot will not allow absorption, so it will tend to make the problem seem worse.
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sounds like number one...I've been mainly smoking Orange Soda and New Lime...never happened with OS before so I think it is the New Lime doing it for me. Plus my apartment is humid with it having water heat and a fishtank.

Thank you

[thecoalition]

i had that issue if i washed and forgot to hang my hoses. also could be the #1 listed. def an odd issue

[delSol_si]

I think I am going to poke some drain holes in my hose.

[ih303]

[quote name='Sonthert' date='14 February 2010 - 02:51 AM' timestamp='1266141091' post='451352']
1. You are smoking a flavor that has a strong reflux. Some flavors have a tendency to turn from a gas back into a liquid...or from a gas back into a solid, depending on the component in question. Some that reform as solids will suck liquid out of the vapor stream to wet it down. The liquid in this case would tend towards being bitter or sour, depending on the flavor and the component that is refluxing. This class of phenomena would be increased if the relative humidity is high and/or the temperature is low. Adding ice to the vase would make it worse, too.
[/quote]

Is there a solution to this? It happened again last night. I loaded up some lucid static starlight in a small phunnel, threw it on a KM and tried with both an egyptian leather hose and a Razan. With both hoses I got an extremely bitter, lingering taste in my my mouth after every pull. It was almost acidic. The texture left on my lips and in my mouth by the smoke was different as well. Again, almost acidic.

This is very strange. Any advice on what I can do to remedy this problem would be helpful.

[rcracer_tx]

[quote name='ih303' date='16 February 2010 - 09:53 AM' timestamp='1266335597' post='451745']
[quote name='Sonthert' date='14 February 2010 - 02:51 AM' timestamp='1266141091' post='451352']
1. You are smoking a flavor that has a strong reflux. Some flavors have a tendency to turn from a gas back into a liquid...or from a gas back into a solid, depending on the component in question. Some that reform as solids will suck liquid out of the vapor stream to wet it down. The liquid in this case would tend towards being bitter or sour, depending on the flavor and the component that is refluxing. This class of phenomena would be increased if the relative humidity is high and/or the temperature is low. Adding ice to the vase would make it worse, too.
[/quote]

Is there a solution to this? It happened again last night. I loaded up some lucid static starlight in a small phunnel, threw it on a KM and tried with both an egyptian leather hose and a Razan. With both hoses I got an extremely bitter, lingering taste in my my mouth after every pull. It was almost acidic. The texture left on my lips and in my mouth by the smoke was different as well. Again, almost acidic.

This is very strange. Any advice on what I can do to remedy this problem would be helpful.
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I have several hoses, so I just switch... Nothing else seems to help including blowing air from a compressor tank though my homemades. the taste/feeling seems to come back in under 10 minutes of smoking if my hookah decides to do it that session.