mattarios2 Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I know the more nicotine in the tobacco, the more likely it will be to needing acclimation. Also water content plays a role in that. But i decided to acclimate nak og peach tonight just for the hell of it (6 hours ... if i ever acclimate nak its usually for like 30-60 minutes for really strong flavors like apricot, mandarin, cherry, etc.) and holy crap. I got a monster buzz. And you know me i smoke nak every day and get the same calming buzz that is smooth, but not holy shit i look around and can see things move funny for a few minutes. It lasted about 5 minutes, i was shocked. So does acclimation do something to the nicotine? If nobody knows I'm sure Eric will know. Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 the only thing i can think of is that when the tobacco adjusts from a higher or lower humidity, or vice versa, the nicotine is able to be vaporized more easily....i guess it's just a matter of which direction the tobacco acclimates towards. i'd guess that a tobacco acclimating towards drier air would allow for a bigger buzz... basically, with the tobacco losing moisture content, there's less water "in the way" which allows more heat to be applied to the tobacco leading to more nicotine being vaporized. then that leads to a bigger buzz... these are all just assumptions, plus my logical (or illogical) thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 I would normally agree with that jay, but I have left out nakhla (the newer recipe of nakhla that is jucier and doesn't dry out easily) for up to a week, and it stays pretty damn juicy ... i DO believe nak has a very low water content. But i mean what you are saying does make sense, but 6 hours ... that won't dry out nak at all, not even a very very high water content tobacco ... six hours isn't very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 dunno...i wouldn't say "dry out"....but, even with 1 hour....you're going to lose [i]some[/i] water content IF the air is drier. might not be a lot, but still that may be a factor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Nah, its probably a spot acclimation problem. Alternately, peach has a strange property. Its boiling point seems to be right around 185C, the boiling point of nicotine...so an out of acclimation batch of peach will pack a wicked punch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Eric's hookah knowledge makes me happy in my pants.... wait..wut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 What do you mean by a spot acclimation problem? Because it tasted fine, and smoked fine, So i believe it WAS acclimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I dunno... but I am trying tonight!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Magnetic Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 i dont get a buzz from nakhla anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 lol...you got Stuie's hopes up for a buzz.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcracer_tx Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 [quote name='Arcane' date='18 February 2010 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1266523373' post='452219'] lol...you got Stuie's hopes up for a buzz.... [/quote] Haha, Hopefully he will be buzzing tonight I have noticed the opposite is true though... When Tangier's is not acclimated correctly, it knocks me on my ass. I usually only buzz mildly from unwashed shisha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 yeah i have no idea, i am actually having a quick bowl w/ my bud before we leave, mandarin orange and og mint and its been acclimating for about 5.5 hours if i get a knock out buzz again, I am assuming its from the acclimation!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Out of acclimation peach will pack a larger punch than any other flavor I have found. Pomegranate and apricot are pretty heavy, too. Also, peach flavors that are oily (delta-lactones) pack less of a punch than non-oily ones. Tangiers peach is different (and non-oily...lacking delta lactones) than the peach in Kashmir peach. The peach in Kashmir Peach is oilier and presumably the boiling point of oily peach flavors is higher (or lower). what really makes it fun is when the boiling point of the primary flavor overlaps the boiling point of nicotine. It makes the nicotine-heavy period longer and more pronounced. the overlap makes harshness or weird smoking tendencies disappear. the stretching or constricting of the nicotine period makes for acclimation problems. It makes the nicotine more (or less) prominent. If it overlaps with a/the flavor, acclimation problems disappear...seemingly...now acclimation problems are solely based on how much nicotine you get in what period of time...a constriction of the nicotine period. Have you noticed acclimation periods where the flavor was really strong and intense, but died out quickly? That's the same thing operating here. Except with the nicotine-flavor "azeotrope" on boiling point. A spot acclimation problem is a short acclimation problem caused by changing weather over a one or two day time period. It should clear up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 18, 2010 Author Share Posted February 18, 2010 Huh, makes sense. Either way, I loved it heh Also, isn't it hard to keep nicotine levels consistent with tobacco? I mean all shisha tobacco is washed to a point, right? So wouldn't that mean the said company would wash it x amount of times every time, but the tobacco could start off stronger than a different batch? Leaving you with some batches being stronger and some being weaker? Or am I way off here? Thanks for all the great info once again man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 [quote name='mattarios2' date='18 February 2010 - 04:06 PM' timestamp='1266534360' post='452273'] Huh, makes sense. Either way, I loved it heh Also, isn't it hard to keep nicotine levels consistent with tobacco? I mean all shisha tobacco is washed to a point, right? So wouldn't that mean the said company would wash it x amount of times every time, but the tobacco could start off stronger than a different batch? Leaving you with some batches being stronger and some being weaker? Or am I way off here? Thanks for all the great info once again man. [/quote] No, it isn't washed necessarily. Tangiers isn't anyways. A small amount of water will solvate a large amount of nicotine. Blended tobaccos are much more consistent in their nicotine content than single base tobaccos...this is why I am always suspicious when I see "Virginian Tobacco"...either they are lying or they are using a single tobacco base, which makes it more inconsistent. Look at it this way. Imagine that any given leaf might have a 10% variance, using 10 different leaves...rather than 10 of the same leaf means that each leaf has a smaller chance of varying, since it is a smaller percentage and that variance will make a smaller impact since it is only 10%. A blend will be much more stable and consistent. A larger number of leaves would have to vary by a larger amount to get a blend to vary as much as a single leaf in a blend. Now, of course if 50% of the leaves vary, the numbers would be much closer. Without venturing into good examples using NHT plants to illustrate, suffice it to say the larger the total alkaloid concentration of a plant species is, the smaller the variances tend to be. Nicotiana tabacum is relatively strong compared to the total alkaloid concentration of most plants so its variances will be smaller from what I've read. This seems counter-intuitive at first, but think about it terms of how much you eat in a given day. People that eat smaller amounts will often vary their total intake by more, since each piece of food represents a larger percentage of their total intake. A person who eats a lot will tend to have a more steady consumption of food. If you eat 10 bananas a day, skipping one will make a smaller impact on your food intake than a person who eats only 2 bananas. Hopefully that clears it up. No? Darn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) ........ Edited February 19, 2010 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 So is tangiers blended? Is nakhla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 20, 2010 Author Share Posted February 20, 2010 So since ive noticed this ... i have smoked 3 bowls including the peach bowl where it first happened. Last night was mandarin orange + mint (acclimated) and the buzz was normal. Tonight was coffee + cinnamon (acclimated) and the buzz was like the peach ... so 2 out of 3 ... we will see where this goes ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted February 21, 2010 Author Share Posted February 21, 2010 had mandarin orange mixed with margarita tonight, acclimated again, about 8 hours, and once again, gave a solid buzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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