Foil?

[lucky13]

some one left me a comment on one of my other topics about foil, i've been using the pre-cut hookah foils i got from HS for the past month and im wondering if maybe that is part of my issue with smoke and heat, im going to use heavy duty foil in my next session, but im curious on if it really make a difference? is the heavy duty more dense foil?

[SweetNut]

HD foil is like 2 pieces of regular foil.... it does make a difference with heat management so give it a whirl...

[RingsMaster]

[quote name='SweetNut' date='22 March 2010 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1269291387' post='458852']
HD foil is like 2 pieces of regular foil.... it does make a difference with heat management so give it a whirl...
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amen i find a huge difference, one main one though is that i find my non heavy duty bowls tend to have the foil sink no matter how tight i pull the foil, also does spread the heat as well, this is also just my opinion but i think its what mopst people would tell you

[PSU Smoker]

Ive never seen a huge difference with reg vs HD foil...but HD should give better heat management

[Joel]

I agree. Don't go for the generic. Renyold's FTW.

[Pretender85]

I'll vouch for this..HD foil is multiple times better than say...walmart brand foil it was like using single ply TP vs triple ply during a ring of fire incident.

[ezxen]

As every one said cheap foil is crap. I went quading for the weekend and took my hookah but forgot foils so i got some cheap foil form my girlfreinds moms house. the entire weekend was crap smoke.

[theanswriz42]

[quote name='Joel' date='22 March 2010 - 09:37 PM' timestamp='1269311835' post='458939']
I agree. Don't go for the generic. Renyold's FTW.
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It's what I use

[A13lackFish]

honestly reynolds take a tear fold it in half and poke holes... waste of money to buy that "pre cut" stuff

[antouwan]

foil is foil...unless you're this cafe that's close to me that uses a foil that has more of a consistency of paper...weird.

anyway, if you're using standard foil - double up.
if you're using HD foil, single layer should be bueno.

[Codename067]

Different foil types matter.

Never double up with non-HD foil! I tried it a few times and I think its useless..it changes the heat management properties a lot!


However, a single HD foil is much easier to manage heat with than 2 non-HD foils on top of each other.

[SuburbanSmoker]

[quote name='Codename067' date='24 March 2010 - 03:16 PM' timestamp='1269468987' post='459342']
Different foil types matter.

Never double up with non-HD foil! I tried it a few times and I think its useless..it changes the heat management properties a lot!

[/quote]

+ 1

doubling up with non hd creates a space between the foil as they heat up and can be a total pain in the ass.

[lucky13]

thanks guys, i was using HD before i got the pre-cut shit, when i switched to the precut is when i started having heating problems so ill switch back to HD for now on, appreciate the insight thanks alot

[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"]I use regular foil and I never had a problem. It's cheaper that way considering the amount of hookah smoking i do. Just make sure the shiny side is down.

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[TheyCallMeDave]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='20 April 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1271817178' post='464499']
[font="Century Gothic"]I use regular foil and I never had a problem. It's cheaper that way considering the amount of hookah smoking i do. Just make sure the shiny side is down.

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Not always the case... Thin foil gives off alot of heat to the bowl as it is, shiny side down gives even more heat retention. Make sure if your doing shiny side down with generical foil, its for a shisha that can take/needs to take plenty of heat.

[TheyCallMeDave]

Welp, after reading a very straightforward post by fineout about absolutely no effects from foil sides and heating, I will say now. I said something of the dumbass nature. Hahaha. Scratch it form the record, and never bring it up. I was just assuming, since things like windshield sun covers work in the same manner, that heat RETENTION, not heat PRODUCTION would occur.

If I'm wrong, sorry. Hahaha. Please don't rip me a new one, fineout.

[dizzbizz]

[quote name='TheyCallMeDave' date='20 April 2010 - 09:31 PM' timestamp='1271824278' post='464518']
Welp, after reading a very straightforward post by fineout about absolutely no effects from foil sides and heating, I will say now. I said something of the dumbass nature. Hahaha. Scratch it form the record, and never bring it up. I was just assuming, since things like windshield sun covers work in the same manner, that heat RETENTION, not heat PRODUCTION would occur.

If I'm wrong, sorry. Hahaha. Please don't rip me a new one, fineout.
[/quote]

I read a thread awhile ago saying that shiny side down is best because if you have it up its more reflective and heats the coals more...

[fineout]

no because heat from a hookah is conductive heat transfer and the reflective properties have nothing to do with convection, only the thermal resistance and thickness have any effect on it.

Q=kA(dx/dT) where q is the heat transfer k is the thermal conductivity dx is the thickness and dT is the change in temperature

[quote name='fineout' date='27 October 2008 - 03:07 AM' timestamp='1225069630' post='305874']
ok just got the definitive answer from my Manufacturing Processes book.
"Aluminum Foil for example, is pack rolled in two layers, so only the top and bottom outer layers have been in contact with the rolls. Note that, one side of the aluminum foil is matte, while the other side is shiny. The foil to foil side has a matte and satiny finish, but the foil to roll side is shiny and bright because it has been in contact under high contact stresses with the polished rolls during rolling."-pg 355 Manufacturing Engineering and Technology, 5th edition. Serope Kalpajian and Steven R schmid.
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[PSU Smoker]

yeah there is a whole thread somewhere about shiny side down vs up and it ended up being a big scientific debate saying there is essentially no difference, at least nothing you would be ableto realize. The shiny side is just a product of the way foil is manufactured.

[ih303]

Lol... I just got done replying to another thread that mentioned this. We need our wiki back!

I'm not gonna lie, I like precut foils. They're cheap, easy, and seem to be the same quality as HD. Not like cutting my own is difficult, I just like not having to mess with it.

[TexasHookah]

Interesting... I also preferred the precut foil because I'm lazy and just like taking out a sheet at time that's already precut. The precut foil is thinner though. Sometimes I use two sheets every now and then when I want the shisha to burn slower and have less heat. Also I thought I read somewhere shiny side down as well but haven't really tested out if it really makes any difference. I wouldn't think it makes too big of a difference.

[rhineholt]

[quote name='TexasHookah' date='21 April 2010 - 12:37 PM' timestamp='1271871444' post='464634']
Interesting... I also preferred the precut foil because I'm lazy and just like taking out a sheet at time that's already precut. The precut foil is thinner though. Sometimes I use two sheets every now and then when I want the shisha to burn slower and have less heat. Also I thought I read somewhere shiny side down as well but haven't really tested out if it really makes any difference. I wouldn't think it makes too big of a difference.
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It doesn't.

[Josh Hamilton]

[quote name='Codename067' date='24 March 2010 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1269468987' post='459342']
Different foil types matter.

[b]Never double up with non-HD foil! I tried it a few times and I think its useless..it changes the heat management properties a lot![/b]

[b]
However, a single HD foil is much easier to manage heat with than 2 non-HD foils on top of each other.[/b]
[/quote]
+1
so true...tried and FAILED and it happened to be reynolds regular...now that I use HD it makes my bowl last longer than 40 mins (to 1.5hrs)/ oh and btw I used YOUTUBE...wat a fail Edited April 22, 2010 by Josh Hamilton

[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"] its all good man! there is a huge debate on the foil and which side up/down. im out of it lol
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[Travis]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='22 April 2010 - 09:18 PM' timestamp='1271989111' post='464994']
[font="Century Gothic"] its all good man! there is a huge debate on the foil and which side up/down. im out of it lol
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It does not matter whatsoever, which side is facing up/down.

The only reason that there is even a shiny/dull side is because the foil rubs against itself when its being rolled in the factory, thus polishing it or giving it that "taboo" shiny side.

I dont know who started this rumor but it makes absolutely no sense.


[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W4Ca7x7Z7s"]How aluminum foil is made[/url]