Josh Hamilton Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I came across this article... [url="http://www.fitsugar.com/Hookahs-vs-Cigarettes-746612"]here[/url] (some questions here...) just needed to here it from this forum > I just started this hobby (KM ice+SBx beach once) so far its fun anyways knowing that cigz have 4000+ chemicals in them while shisha has natural stuff in it...do you know any guys who had to quit hookah because of health reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Article is BS... the don't understand the principles and chemicals pertaining to both cigarettes and hookah. Several people on here I have quit for health reasons, hookah not be a cause but being something they had to cut out to fix there overall state of health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineout Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 ok before the shitstorm that you just started comes through im going to summarize everything thats about to happen hookah is not good for you, there arent any reliable studies to say how bad it is exactly for you, what we do know is that there arent as many addicting/harmful chemicals in hookah tobacco as in a cigarette. its not really a fair comparison to say hookah=x amount of cigarettes, the volume of smoke absolutely is probably about that much. overall, if you want to smoke hookah dont go into it like one of these idiots thinking that its way better for you than cigarettes, because its not, im not addicted and i havent had any health problems and many/most people here havent, but its still a possibility with breathing in anything aside from air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Hamilton Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 thanks guys...its just Im finding some strong arguments in that article (some conspiracy theories) -govt/pharmaceutical co./fda (corrupt) spread this study -cancer medicine is a cashcow -Tobacco companies took part in this study... I tried to x out the biased opinions I read since some came from hookah smokers/non smokers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='fineout' date='31 March 2010 - 11:04 AM' timestamp='1270051493' post='461002'] ok before the shitstorm that you just started comes through im going to summarize everything thats about to happen hookah is not good for you, there arent any reliable studies to say how bad it is exactly for you, what we do know is that there arent as many addicting/harmful chemicals in hookah tobacco as in a cigarette. its not really a fair comparison to say hookah=x amount of cigarettes, the volume of smoke absolutely is probably about that much. overall, if you want to smoke hookah dont go into it like one of these idiots thinking that its way better for you than cigarettes, because its not, im not addicted and i havent had any health problems and many/most people here havent, but its still a possibility with breathing in anything aside from air. [/quote] such a buzz kill fine... i was hoping for the insanity to unfold... well I guess I can wait a few weeks for this topic to pop up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryno Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Comparing hookah to cigs is like apples to oranges. You're not actually burning the tobacco in a hookah, unlike a cig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='ryno' date='31 March 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1270053412' post='461006'] Comparing hookah to cigs is like apples to oranges. You're not actually burning the tobacco in a hookah, unlike a cig. [/quote] Bingo! Compare the ash in an ashtry to the dry mu'assal in a spent bowl and then ask yourself where all the tobacco in the cig went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I do not feel any health problems with smoking hookah, yet cigs make me feel like shit... I could never touch hookah again and I'd be fine, yet I know I could easily become addicted to cigs... Hookah doesn't burn my throat on inhale, yet cigs do... I have not heard of any deaths caused from smoking hookah, yet thousands die from cigs every year... Of course I could go on and on, but there's no reason to. All I know is hookah hasn't affected me health-wise in any way, and until it does, I will keep smoking. Show me some UNBIASED studies and then we might have some actual research. I actually used to have asthma. And my nose would be clogged up all the time, since I was 5 years old. I suffered from age 5 to when I was about 12 with this. I took Advair and Nasonex for it. Since I started smoking hookah, my problems have gone away and I no longer take any prescription medicine. Coincidence? Perhaps. But I know shisha affects my nose somehow because it makes it itch, especially Tangiers. And I've noticed an increase in my lung capacity. Seems I can hold my breath longer and whatnot. I can run longer. Again, it may all just be a coincidence, probably is, considering my dad had similar problems that he grew out of as he became an adult. Anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3uphrat3s Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Hookah absolutely destroys my lung capacity. If I try to go for a run after smoking it's very very difficult. That's the only adverse effect I've noticed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchard Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='3uphrat3s' date='31 March 2010 - 11:26 AM' timestamp='1270060015' post='461028'] Hookah absolutely destroys my lung capacity. If I try to go for a run after smoking it's very very difficult. That's the only adverse effect I've noticed... [/quote] Its never hurt my lung capacity. I have never noticed any decline in it while trying to run. Running directly after smoking probably isn't a great idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 That article is terrible, supplemented by an even worse "study". The comments people left are laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryno Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='3uphrat3s' date='31 March 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1270060015' post='461028'] Hookah absolutely destroys my lung capacity. If I try to go for a run after smoking it's very very difficult. That's the only adverse effect I've noticed... [/quote] I think right afterwords, it might be hard to run, but from what Tyler and a few other members have shown, they smoke only hookah and with doctors visits, their lung capacity has increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1024 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [url="http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/19"]http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/5/1/19[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayfarinstranger Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='Hassouni' date='31 March 2010 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1270057620' post='461021'] [quote name='ryno' date='31 March 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1270053412' post='461006'] Comparing hookah to cigs is like apples to oranges. You're not actually burning the tobacco in a hookah, unlike a cig. [/quote] Bingo! Compare the ash in an ashtry to the dry mu'assal in a spent bowl and then ask yourself where all the tobacco in the cig went. [/quote] Not to mention that most cigarette smokers do through at least half a pack a day if not more, whereas a hookah smoker might smoke only once a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3uphrat3s Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 [quote name='ryno' date='31 March 2010 - 12:05 PM' timestamp='1270062314' post='461040'] [quote name='3uphrat3s' date='31 March 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1270060015' post='461028'] Hookah absolutely destroys my lung capacity. If I try to go for a run after smoking it's very very difficult. That's the only adverse effect I've noticed... [/quote] I think right afterwords, it might be hard to run, but from what Tyler and a few other members have shown, they smoke only hookah and with doctors visits, their lung capacity has increased. [/quote] Hmmm, that's interesting. Dunno I've noticed that after a heavy week of smoking (hookah), which is 2 bowls a day for me, running becomes really hard. But if I take a break from smoking and go for a run, it's a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeDave Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 There are simply too many dumbed-down non-smokers, and not enough PROVEN elements not on our side. I've given up on trying to prove a point. A majority of the general public is going to take references and assumptions over deep study. Not to mention all of the "studies" are done poorly, and without consideration of the way a hookah or cigarette is smoked. There are so many things wrong with this arguement people throw out. It's liek comparing drinking a six-case of wine coolers (hookah) by yourself, or doing 6-8 long shots (cigs) of vodka by yourself. OBVIOUSLY the wine coolers had more volume, so shouldn't the coolers be the more taboo option of the two? Do they both have alcohol? Yes. Of course. Are they both unhealthy? Well duh. It's a poision. But which is worse? Which will cause worse side effects? It's all about the way in which it is taken in, to which the severity can be gauged. And I'm getting tired of people not grasping such a concept. I will praise the day a completely unbiased, fair, and realistic review/study of hookah smoking vs. cigarette smoking. Also as mentioned.. Take a look at some of the comments made under the artical in the OP. Made me want to rip the heart out of my computer like Indiana Jones. [IMG]http://i40.tinypic.com/rcmtle.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 That whole article/comments page made me want to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepItSimple Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='wayfarinstranger' date='31 March 2010 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1270078963' post='461105'] [quote name='Hassouni' date='31 March 2010 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1270057620' post='461021'] [quote name='ryno' date='31 March 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1270053412' post='461006'] Comparing hookah to cigs is like apples to oranges. You're not actually burning the tobacco in a hookah, unlike a cig. [/quote] Bingo! Compare the ash in an ashtry to the dry mu'assal in a spent bowl and then ask yourself where all the tobacco in the cig went. [/quote] Not to mention that most cigarette smokers do through at least half a pack a day if not more, whereas a hookah smoker might smoke only once a day. [/quote] The only problem with that theory is that even a pack a day probably has a lower amount of smoke volume wise compared to one bowl of hookah. The best way to describe the difference between cigs and hookah was the wine cooler to shot example someone else already said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayfarinstranger Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='KeepItSimple' date='31 March 2010 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1270091761' post='461172'] [quote name='wayfarinstranger' date='31 March 2010 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1270078963' post='461105'] [quote name='Hassouni' date='31 March 2010 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1270057620' post='461021'] [quote name='ryno' date='31 March 2010 - 12:36 PM' timestamp='1270053412' post='461006'] Comparing hookah to cigs is like apples to oranges. You're not actually burning the tobacco in a hookah, unlike a cig. [/quote] Bingo! Compare the ash in an ashtry to the dry mu'assal in a spent bowl and then ask yourself where all the tobacco in the cig went. [/quote] Not to mention that most cigarette smokers do through at least half a pack a day if not more, whereas a hookah smoker might smoke only once a day. [/quote] The only problem with that theory is that even a pack a day probably has a lower amount of smoke volume wise compared to one bowl of hookah. The best way to describe the difference between cigs and hookah was the wine cooler to shot example someone else already said. [/quote] Oh okay I hear ya...I guess the point I was trying to make and as INCUBUSRATM said earlier was that, in my experience, the negative physical effects from cigarettes (even just one for me) are noticeably greater than those from a hookah session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepItSimple Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 Oh yea, def agree with that. I think it's got a lot to do with the tar being so much less in Hookah. I quit smoking cigs and started smoking hookah a while after that, and I never cough or have any of the bad shit that came with smoking cigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuburbanSmoker Posted April 1, 2010 Share Posted April 1, 2010 [quote name='3uphrat3s' date='31 March 2010 - 11:26 AM' timestamp='1270060015' post='461028'] Hookah absolutely destroys my lung capacity. If I try to go for a run after smoking it's very very difficult. That's the only adverse effect I've noticed... [/quote] keep in mind when you smoke your elevating your blood pressure and heart beat. now think about what happends when your run/do anything physical. During weeks where i have finals/tests/work presentations i smoke alot and my heart beats alot faster when i run (not smoke heavy around 145 per minute, smoke heavy around 180) i dont become short breathed really, but im in fairly good shape. when i smoked cigarettes i couldnt run, i would become completely destroyed. hookah 1 cigs- a kick in the mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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