What'S The Big Deal With The "Shisha Touching The Foil" Debate?

[antouwan]

it always touches. it's probably been an epoch since i've packed a head with the tobacco not touching the foil. i may give it another shot...just for shits and giggles.

[KeepItSimple]

So i always pack it touching the foil, but today i got the flavors out to mix, and after the mix was done, i didn't pull enough out to fill the bowl all the way, pretty dumb. I was lazy and didn't feel like getting the tubs out again, so I just underpacked it. Bad session, I got it to smoke but it wasn't as thick as it should of been.

[wayfarinstranger]

[quote name='bradleyclark86' date='07 April 2010 - 06:12 PM' timestamp='1270681979' post='462514']
How does a person halve a Coco Nara? They're thick....and dense
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You need to master the knife hand chop.

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[GodSmoke]

I actually use the foil to pack shisha, which I pile a 1/2 inch over the rim of a medium wide egyptian (shallow). Two and a half starlight coco's and wind cover rarely have a problem. Of course I am a nakhla fan. It is very forgiving when it comes to heat.

[Barnaby]

The way you pack tangiers, there is no way to NOT touch the foil and get it to smoke right. All other shishas, go to the top of the inner hole on my phunnel, so there is a slight gap, but its not like the shisha doesn't expand, and end up firmly attached to the foil anyways.

All comes down to heat management really.

2 sheets of HD? that's seems a tad excessive to me.

[Pretender85]

probably personal preference..i usually pack it so its makin love to that foil, but ive also packed it a bit below it before when i have a little shisha left, but not quite enough to pack the bowl full to the brim..seems to run a bit hotter when i do that, but otherwise no real difference to me.

[Arcane]

[quote name='Barnaby' date='09 April 2010 - 06:57 AM' timestamp='1270832240' post='462828']
The way you pack tangiers, there is no way to NOT touch the foil and get it to smoke right. All other shishas, go to the top of the inner hole on my phunnel, so there is a slight gap, but its not like the shisha doesn't expand, and end up firmly attached to the foil anyways.

All comes down to heat management really.

2 sheets of HD? that's seems a tad excessive to me.
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this is incorrect. a member, evilded777, had a method that involved packing Tangiers half way and it smoked just fine for him. he used an MNH glass mini phunnel. i can back up his method using a small tangiers phunnel....

[Skoozle]

[quote name='Arcane' date='09 April 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1270845873' post='462855']
[quote name='Barnaby' date='09 April 2010 - 06:57 AM' timestamp='1270832240' post='462828']
The way you pack tangiers, there is no way to NOT touch the foil and get it to smoke right. All other shishas, go to the top of the inner hole on my phunnel, so there is a slight gap, but its not like the shisha doesn't expand, and end up firmly attached to the foil anyways.

All comes down to heat management really.

2 sheets of HD? that's seems a tad excessive to me.
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this is incorrect. a member, evilded777, had a method that involved packing Tangiers half way and it smoked just fine for him. he used an MNH glass mini phunnel. i can back up his method using a small tangiers phunnel....
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Do you have a vid or other instructions for the half pack method? Is that method as good as other "best" methods? I've got a mini on the way and I'm a Phunnel/Tangiers n00b.

[Arcane]

tried doing a search....unfortunately, i think the post was written after the upgrade....which seems inaccessible...

[thecoalition]

my shisha and foil kiss the whole time in my phunnel and i don't have problem so long as i manage my heat.

[bradleyclark86]

So this past weekend, a friend was in town and he just might love hookah more than I do so I knew there would be a lot of bowl packing, so I decided to experiment with my packing technique. I packed it higher than usual so that there would be some foil contact. I noticed instantly that it starts up faster. Instead of a dozen hits to get it going, it was good to go on the first puff. I just had to manage my heat a little more throughout the sessions. Over all, awesome smoke sessions.

side note: AF jasmine and JM's pink lemonade makes an excellent mix

[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"][size="3"]I believe it's very important on how you pack the bowl and what kind of bowl you use.
You NEVER want the charcoal to hit the shisha, it will scorch it quickly. Also you dont want your shisha to be too far from the charcoal.
I say sprinkle the shisha in the bowl, use one foil (shiny side down) and then use the charcoal that you prefer. 12g-15g of Shisha should be enough to fill a good bowl.
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[rhineholt]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='20 April 2010 - 09:04 PM' timestamp='1271815482' post='464489']
[font="Century Gothic"][size="3"]I believe it's very important on how you pack the bowl and what kind of bowl you use.
You NEVER want the charcoal to hit the shisha, it will scorch it quickly. Also you dont want your shisha to be too far from the charcoal.
I say sprinkle the shisha in the bowl, use one foil (shiny side down) and then use the charcoal that you prefer. 12g-15g of Shisha should be enough to fill a good bowl.
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It all depends on what kind of tobacco you're using... If in Nak, you want it tighter. SB, loose.
12-15g isn't always going to fill up a bowl.
The shiny side down method doesn't do anything.

Welcome to the forum!

[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"]Well back home i used to see all these old people smoking hookahs where the charcoal hits the shisha and I always wondered what was that horrible smell LOL They actually were smoking Tombak, thats the only thing smokes with direct contact with charcoal.

So what do you think a good measurement for filling up a bowl such as a regular ceramic bowl, and a bowl like the tangiers phunnel bowl?
Usually when i buy a 50g Jar/Box of shisha, i can get 3 bowls out of it with a little bit left over.

Actually as far as the shiny side of the foil, if you want to burn the shisha efficiently and get a good smoke, you put the shiny side inwards to radiate the heat inwards. If you put the shiny side outwards, the heat reflects outwards. I mean it's like cooking food. It might not have a huge effect but somewhat something to think about.

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[rhineholt]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='20 April 2010 - 10:01 PM' timestamp='1271818890' post='464502']
[font="Century Gothic"]Well back home i used to see all these old people smoking hookahs where the charcoal hits the shisha and I always wondered what was that horrible smell LOL They actually were smoking Tombak, thats the only thing smokes with direct contact with charcoal.

So what do you think a good measurement for filling up a bowl such as a regular ceramic bowl, and a bowl like the tangiers phunnel bowl?
Usually when i buy a 50g Jar/Box of shisha, i can get 3 bowls out of it with a little bit left over.

Actually as far as the shiny side of the foil, if you want to burn the shisha efficiently and get a good smoke, you put the shiny side inwards to radiate the heat inwards. If you put the shiny side outwards, the heat reflects outwards. I mean it's like cooking food. It might not have a huge effect but somewhat something to think about.

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Yeah, I knew about tombak.
I'm not sure a precise measurement of how much can fit in a phunnel bowl, but that, once again depends all on the type of tobacco your using.

If you want to go into the foil debate, talk to fineout. He'll tell you his views on the "shiny side down"

[ih303]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='20 April 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1271818890' post='464502']
[font="Century Gothic"]Well back home i used to see all these old people smoking hookahs where the charcoal hits the shisha and I always wondered what was that horrible smell LOL They actually were smoking Tombak, thats the only thing smokes with direct contact with charcoal.

So what do you think a good measurement for filling up a bowl such as a regular ceramic bowl, and a bowl like the tangiers phunnel bowl?
Usually when i buy a 50g Jar/Box of shisha, i can get 3 bowls out of it with a little bit left over.

Actually as far as the shiny side of the foil, if you want to burn the shisha efficiently and get a good smoke, you put the shiny side inwards to radiate the heat inwards. If you put the shiny side outwards, the heat reflects outwards. I mean it's like cooking food. It might not have a huge effect but somewhat something to think about.[/font][/quote]

Heh heh. Where to begin.

Tombac, Khan el Khalili, Soft Black, and Zaghloul are all traditionally smoked sans foil. There are probably others, but those are the ones I've tried.

The amount of tobacco used in a bowl has to do with two things: 1) Bowl size and 2) Packing method. Dryer tobaccos get packed tighter requiring a little more to fill a bowl. In my experience, 50g of tobacco fills a small Tangiers Phunnel with maybe a little left over. But I like to pack my bowls pretty full. You must have an extremely small bowl.

Take it from [url="http://www.reynoldspkg.com/reynoldskitchens/en/faq_detail.asp?info_page_id=743&prod_id=1789&cat_id=1337"]Reynolds[/url], which side of the foil you choose makes no difference.

[fineout]

heh, the explanation seems word for word the one that was in my mfg engineering book

[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"]hehehe i saw that crazy thread about the foil. Not a big deal. Just give me some foil and im good

man tombak is ROUGH! u ever tried it?
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[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"]i never tried khan el khalili or zaghloul. where those good?

i guess it depends on how you pack your bowl. i dont really pack it too tight, just sprinkle it around.

but yeah, you would know about my exremely small bowl! LOL

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[ih303]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='21 April 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1271908738' post='464782']
[font="Century Gothic"]hehehe i saw that crazy thread about the foil. Not a big deal. Just give me some foil and im good

man tombak is ROUGH! u ever tried it?
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Yeah. I don't care for it. But overall it was a good experience.


[quote name='Sahara Man' date='21 April 2010 - 10:02 PM' timestamp='1271908964' post='464783']
[font="Century Gothic"]i never tried khan el khalili or zaghloul. where those good?

i guess it depends on how you pack your bowl. i dont really pack it too tight, just sprinkle it around.

but yeah, you would know about my exremely small bowl! LOL [/font][/quote]

I've tried them. They're certainly not my favorite, but I think I like Khan the most.


Oh, and btw... I think you meant your extremely small BOWLS.[img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/774_smiley_getting_kicked_in_the_balls.gif[/img] lol...

[antouwan]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='21 April 2010 - 11:02 PM' timestamp='1271908964' post='464783']
[font="Century Gothic"]i never tried khan el khalili or zaghloul. where those good?

i guess it depends on how you pack your bowl. i dont really pack it too tight, just sprinkle it around.

but yeah, you would know about my exremely small bowl! LOL

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in my experience, al fakher (which i'm going to assume you're using) works well with either a tight or a loose pack, but i give the slight advantage to the loose pack. the same is true with just about every tobacco that has a high water content (fusion, SB and a couple others i can't think of). nakhla and the lower water content tobaccos like to be a little bit more "cozy" in the head. most egyptian, syrian, and lebanese style heads are pretty small in comparison to a tangiers phunnel (the small phunnels can hold about 2 to 3 times the tobacco of a small egyptian, depending on which one you're using as there doesn't seem to be any type of standard size).

[ryno]

[quote name='ih303' date='21 April 2010 - 10:28 AM' timestamp='1271860084' post='464596']
[quote name='Sahara Man' date='20 April 2010 - 09:01 PM' timestamp='1271818890' post='464502']
[font="Century Gothic"]Well back home i used to see all these old people smoking hookahs where the charcoal hits the shisha and I always wondered what was that horrible smell LOL They actually were smoking Tombak, thats the only thing smokes with direct contact with charcoal.

So what do you think a good measurement for filling up a bowl such as a regular ceramic bowl, and a bowl like the tangiers phunnel bowl?
Usually when i buy a 50g Jar/Box of shisha, i can get 3 bowls out of it with a little bit left over.

Actually as far as the shiny side of the foil, if you want to burn the shisha efficiently and get a good smoke, you put the shiny side inwards to radiate the heat inwards. If you put the shiny side outwards, the heat reflects outwards. I mean it's like cooking food. It might not have a huge effect but somewhat something to think about.[/font][/quote]

Heh heh. Where to begin.

Tombac, Khan el Khalili, Soft Black, and Zaghloul are all traditionally smoked sans foil. There are probably others, but those are the ones I've tried.

The amount of tobacco used in a bowl has to do with two things: 1) Bowl size and 2) Packing method. Dryer tobaccos get packed tighter requiring a little more to fill a bowl. In my experience, 50g of tobacco fills a small Tangiers Phunnel with maybe a little left over. But I like to pack my bowls pretty full. You must have an extremely small bowl.
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Take it from [url="http://www.reynoldspkg.com/reynoldskitchens/en/faq_detail.asp?info_page_id=743&prod_id=1789&cat_id=1337"]Reynolds[/url], which side of the foil you choose makes no difference.[/b]
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Finally! Maybe this debate can end. It came right from the source!

And I think if the foil touches the shisha, theres a chance it can rip a hole in the space time continuum, reverse all black holes and possibly destroy the universe... and to top that off... it might even make HH good

[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"]no homo! lol
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[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"]Yeah the juicy shisha can be loose a bit. Im working a big bowl design, fits 250g of shisha j/k

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[dizzbizz]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='22 April 2010 - 07:26 PM' timestamp='1271989615' post='465001']
[font="Century Gothic"]Yeah the juicy shisha can be loose a bit. Im working a big bowl design, fits 250g of shisha j/k[/font]
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Large Phunnel?