Fumo Design

[codpet]

Has anyone smoked out of a Fumo Design hookah? I'm considering one, but want some feedback on smoking out of a glass mouthpiece.

They told me though an email they are offering 5% off right now and free ground shipping. They didn't tell me the coupon code for that though, so I emailed them back.

[TheyCallMeDave]

HMMMMMMM.

[Chreees]

No, haven't even heard of this....

[codpet]

Well, it's either the Fumo or I can drop a grand on a Meduse Coralica (Coralica light mono 816 €). The base on it's symmetrical and looks better. That and I like the mouthpiece's on certain Meduse designs. Fumo has similar mouthpieces if they are glass, but Meduse has these metal tips that seem more durable. I don't know anyone who's smoked out of either. I'm just sick of cheap hookahs that retain a residue of taste from previous smokes.

[Chreees]

Any hookah will leave residue of previous smokes... You just have to properly clean them. I think the best hookahs out on the market today are KMs and Myas. Both are durable, waaaay cheaper than Meduses or Fumos, and will last you years... I clean my KM with water after every session and clean it with lemon juice and baking soda once a week or every two weeks. No residue problems. There's no need to drop a grand on a hookah.

[Tyler]

KM and AF > mya

[codpet]

[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='01 May 2010 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1272743878' post='466269']
Any hookah will leave residue of previous smokes... You just have to properly clean them. I think the best hookahs out on the market today are KMs and Myas. Both are durable, waaaay cheaper than Meduses or Fumos, and will last you years... I clean my KM with water after every session and clean it with lemon juice and baking soda once a week or every weeks. No residue problems. There's no need to drop a grand on a hookah.
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I disagree. Most hookah's use porous plastics. Meduse/Fumo both use medical grade laboratory plastics where residue of any kind can't be tolerated. The metal they use is surgical steel, and the glass laboratory grade as well. I've soaked the plastics of a regular hookah in vinegar overnight, and the plastics still taste and are stained from Shisha.

Laboratory grade plastics have been used in these products because the engineers who made them know that in a lab you can't have compounds from a previous use present if you're going to re-use the equipment. It just costs a lot more. You aren't paying for looks, it's just this material is costly.

[Chreees]

[quote name='codpet' date='01 May 2010 - 03:01 PM' timestamp='1272744112' post='466271']
[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='01 May 2010 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1272743878' post='466269']
Any hookah will leave residue of previous smokes... You just have to properly clean them. I think the best hookahs out on the market today are KMs and Myas. Both are durable, waaaay cheaper than Meduses or Fumos, and will last you years... I clean my KM with water after every session and clean it with lemon juice and baking soda once a week or every weeks. No residue problems. There's no need to drop a grand on a hookah.
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I disagree. Most hookah's use porous plastics. Meduse/Fumo both use medical grade laboratory plastics where residue of any kind can't be tolerated. The metal they use is surgical steel, and the glass laboratory grade as well. I've soaked the plastics of a regular hookah in vinegar overnight, and the plastics still taste and are stained from Shisha.

Laboratory grade plastics have been used in these products because the engineers who made them know that in a lab you can't have compounds from a previous use present if you're going to re-use the equipment. It just costs a lot more. You aren't paying for looks, it's just this material is costly.
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Um... KMs, Myas, AFs, and most other hookahs aren't made using plastics. They're made of metal.... What hookahs are you smoking?

[Tyler]

*looks at my mya and my AF*

Nope, no plastic anywhere....

[codpet]

[/quote]
Um... KMs and Myas aren't made using plastics.... What hookahs are you smoking?
[/quote]

Any hookah I've seen has plastic fittings. I have a Mya Diva, and I really don't like it. It's metal is even rusting. It's the only hookah I've personally owned. I couldn't tell you what the hose is made of, I just know you're not suppose to rinse it out.

Theses Fumo/Meduse hookah's use stainless steel fittings, and everything screws in. The hose for example doesn't just "plug" in and stick because of a rubber stopper.

Well, here are some snippets from their website:

"FUMO™ hoses are manufactured from specially formulated taste free hosing certified to food grade hosing standards. Each hose is designed to be flexible without kinking.

"We use heavy laboratory grade 7-mm thick glass, surgical grade stainless steel, and specially formulated food grade tasteless tubing"

The Meduse use the same stuff, so I won't grab snippets from their website.

[Tyler]

Well, to my knowledge, rubber =/= plastic, and yes, most hookahs do use rubber grommets to hold the hose and such in place, I personally don't use a grommet for my hose as it fits perfectly without one, but its used to help seal air flow. What you're saying is that the meduse and fumo hookahs use threaded "screw ins" which mean if they ever becoe dethreaded or a thread breaks, then you have to buy a whole new stem/hose instead of a 3¢ grommet? If that's the only "plastic" you're talking of then I'll gladly take my AF/KM/Mya over a fumo/meduse anyday.

[codpet]

[quote name='Tyler' date='01 May 2010 - 04:23 PM' timestamp='1272745393' post='466277']
Well, to my knowledge, rubber =/= plastic, and yes, most hookahs do use rubber grommets to hold the hose and such in place, I personally don't use a grommet for my hose as it fits perfectly without one, but its used to help seal air flow. What you're saying is that the meduse and fumo hookahs use threaded "screw ins" which mean if they ever becoe dethreaded or a thread breaks, then you have to buy a whole new stem/hose instead of a 3¢ grommet? If that's the only "plastic" you're talking of then I'll gladly take my AF/KM/Mya over a fumo/meduse anyday.
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What material is the hose of a hookah typically made from? It sure bends like plastic, looks like plastic, but if you rinse it out it seems to rust. Maybe using the word plastic isn't ideal. Why would you replace a hose? Most people tell me they replace their hose because the old one tastes bad / smells bad, whatever, etc etc. To me that tells me it's a porous material.

[codpet]

I don't know why I can't edit my posts to add to them; but I don't think you'll be wearing out or breaking a stainless steel thread anytime soon. So I don't see why that would be a reason to not buy these types of designs.

[Tyler]

Stainless steel threads would rust with moisture and friction from screwing them in/out.

Unwashable hoses have a metal coil in them that will rust over time (~95 of smoke is water vapor) which produces the bad taste.

Washable hoses, do not have these coils, or use a plastic coil, and can be washed, and do not retain any bad tastes.

[codpet]

[quote name='Tyler' date='01 May 2010 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1272746179' post='466280']
Stainless steel threads would rust with moisture and friction from screwing them in/out.

Unwashable hoses have a metal coil in them that will rust over time (~95 of smoke is water vapor) which produces the bad taste.

Washable hoses, do not have these coils, or use a plastic coil, and can be washed, and do not retain any bad tastes.
[/quote]

You're telling me "stainless" steel, which is surgical grade would rust? These aren't coated, they are entirely surgical steel. Surgical steel doesn't rust. I've dug up objects from the ground with metal detectors that are stainless, and no rust.

It sounds like I have the hose to blame then. It's a "non-washable" kind the Mya came with.

[Tyler]

Most hoses are "non-washable" meaning they contain the metal coil within them, some hoses use a poly coating, some use leather, it depends on the brand.

But yes, if stainless steel, even surgical grade, gets any kind of scrape on them from rubbing together (assuming both threads are made with the steel) coupled with moiusture, there will certainly be rust. Ever seen a stainless steel fridge that had magnets on it in a humid enviroment? The scrapes created by the magnets rubbing on the steel have rusted.

[codpet]

[quote name='Tyler' date='01 May 2010 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1272746542' post='466282']
Most hoses are "non-washable" meaning they contain the metal coil within them, some hoses use a poly coating, some use leather, it depends on the brand.

But yes, if stainless steel, even surgical grade, gets any kind of scrape on them from rubbing together (assuming both threads are made with the steel) coupled with moiusture, there will certainly be rust. Ever seen a stainless steel fridge that had magnets on it in a humid enviroment? The scrapes created by the magnets rubbing on the steel have rusted.
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You're wrong about stainless steel. There are grades of steel.

[b]316L Stainless[/b] (UNS# S31603), the “L” stands for Low Carbon. If any class of steel truly deserves to be called surgical stainless steel these "L" class derivates of 316 would be it, It never develops surface rust and is even resistant to constant salt water exposure. Formula Carbon .03 Manganese 2.00 Silicon 1.00 Chromium 16-18 Nickel 10-14 Phosphorus .045 Sulfur .03 Molybdenum 2.0-3.0 Nitrogen .10 This seems to be the same material as 316LVM (LVM may be a trademarked name)[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_piercing_materials#cite_note-0"][1][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_piercing_materials#cite_note-1"][2][/url][/sup]

[cotsi95]

Hmmm shill??!?[img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/post-5619-1201289386.gif[/img]

[codpet]

Just to let you know 316L is what's considered to be Surgical Steel..

[Tyler]

And how are we going to know you're actually using "surgical stainless steel" on every part that isn't glass? Because you say it? Taco bell says their meat was always beef....

[codpet]

[quote name='Tyler' date='01 May 2010 - 04:50 PM' timestamp='1272747006' post='466288']
And how are we going to know you're actually using "surgical stainless steel" on every part that isn't glass? Because you say it? Taco bell says their meat was always beef....
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Taco Bell is regulated by the Food and Drug administration, as well as other branches of the government. They say beef, they don't tell you what GRADE beef they use. The same thing goes for steel. The fact of the matter is the only type of steel that is SURGICAL is 316L. Thus by stating it's surgical steel, it's implying, since it's the only kind of steel that's surgical, that it is in fact 316L.

[Tyler]

Yes, I know, but you completely avoided the question, you've claimed that all the "steel" used on the fumo brand hookahs is surgical grade steel, even the stand? Why would we want a surgical grade stand? (c.f. Pod). Nevertheless, I still don't understand what benefits a fumo/meduse has over a KM? AF? Mya? MZ? So you have a hose that doesnt rust, I can get one (and I own one) for $20. The stem itself has no plastic in it and is easily purged of residue flavors with a runthrough with water and a stem brush. The stem doesn't rust, it's copper. Copper oxydizes, which again, can be cleaned off/avoided with care. What about durability? I buy a ~$300+ fumo and it breaks for whatever reason, and I'm out $300+. I buy a KM, I break a base...I'm out $20.

[codpet]

[quote name='Tyler' date='01 May 2010 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1272747469' post='466290']
Yes, I know, but you completely avoided the question, you've claimed that all the "steel" used on the fumo brand hookahs is surgical grade steel, even the stand? Why would we want a surgical grade stand? (c.f. Pod). Nevertheless, I still don't understand what benefits a fumo/meduse has over a KM? AF? Mya? MZ? So you have a hose that doesnt rust, I can get one (and I own one) for $20. The stem itself has no plastic in it and is easily purged of residue flavors with a runthrough with water and a stem brush. The stem doesn't rust, it's copper. Copper oxydizes, which again, can be cleaned off/avoided with care. What about durability? I buy a ~$300+ fumo and it breaks for whatever reason, and I'm out $300+. I buy a KM, I break a base...I'm out $20.
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It's made out of laboratory grade glass, which isn't normal glass, it's something special called borosilicate glass. It can withstand over 1000 PSI and temperature doesn't affect it. It costs over 300 bucks for a reason. It's not because it's pretty to look at. I'm not saying it can't break, but I am saying it's one step below reinforced glass.

I'm unsure as to what kind of cheap alloy the Mya is using, but if you smell the metal, you can smell Shisha, even if you clean it off with vinegar, which I've tried plenty of times. I can't complain, it was a $50.00 hookah.

Copper does rust, or should I say it will oxidize. Look at the statue of liberty. It's made of copper. Notice it's green?

[Tyler]

[quote name='codpet' date='01 May 2010 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1272747795' post='466292']
[quote name='Tyler' date='01 May 2010 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1272747469' post='466290']
Yes, I know, but you completely avoided the question, you've claimed that all the "steel" used on the fumo brand hookahs is surgical grade steel, even the stand? Why would we want a surgical grade stand? (c.f. Pod). Nevertheless, I still don't understand what benefits a fumo/meduse has over a KM? AF? Mya? MZ? So you have a hose that doesnt rust, I can get one (and I own one) for $20. The stem itself has no plastic in it and is easily purged of residue flavors with a runthrough with water and a stem brush. The stem doesn't rust, it's copper. Copper oxydizes, which again, can be cleaned off/avoided with care. What about durability? I buy a ~$300+ fumo and it breaks for whatever reason, and I'm out $300+. I buy a KM, I break a base...I'm out $20.
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It's made out of laboratory grade glass, which isn't normal glass, it's something special called borosilicate glass. It can withstand over 1000 PSI and temperature doesn't affect it. It costs over 300 bucks for a reason. It's not because it's pretty to look at. I'm not saying it can't break, but I am saying it's one step below reinforced glass.

I'm unsure as to what kind of cheap alloy the Mya is using, but if you smell the metal, you can smell Shisha, even if you clean it off with vinegar, which I've tried plenty of times. I can't complain, it was a $50.00 hookah.

Copper does rust, or should I say it will oxidize. Look at the statue of liberty. It's made of copper. Notice it's green?
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I know what boroscilicate is, many people use these glass containers to store their tangiers in. I've seen many of these so called "unbreakable" glass dishes, in fact, break, by falling onto ceramic tile kitchens or concrete outside. Myas are definately the bottom end of the "quality" hookahs in my opinion, I don't know or really care to know what they use in their materials. My QT has worked flawlessly for me for over a year.

And yes, copper does oxidize, notice I said that in the very post you quoted? Know why the statue of liberty is completely green? It stands in the middle of the ocean, salty water. It is also easily removed, many ship wrecks have their treasured oxidized and the copper oxidation is removed before being placed in museams. Sometimes the process is as simple as lemon juice.

[codpet]

[quote name='Tyler' date='01 May 2010 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1272748173' post='466294']
[quote name='codpet' date='01 May 2010 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1272747795' post='466292']
[quote name='Tyler' date='01 May 2010 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1272747469' post='466290']
Yes, I know, but you completely avoided the question, you've claimed that all the "steel" used on the fumo brand hookahs is surgical grade steel, even the stand? Why would we want a surgical grade stand? (c.f. Pod). Nevertheless, I still don't understand what benefits a fumo/meduse has over a KM? AF? Mya? MZ? So you have a hose that doesnt rust, I can get one (and I own one) for $20. The stem itself has no plastic in it and is easily purged of residue flavors with a runthrough with water and a stem brush. The stem doesn't rust, it's copper. Copper oxydizes, which again, can be cleaned off/avoided with care. What about durability? I buy a ~$300+ fumo and it breaks for whatever reason, and I'm out $300+. I buy a KM, I break a base...I'm out $20.
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It's made out of laboratory grade glass, which isn't normal glass, it's something special called borosilicate glass. It can withstand over 1000 PSI and temperature doesn't affect it. It costs over 300 bucks for a reason. It's not because it's pretty to look at. I'm not saying it can't break, but I am saying it's one step below reinforced glass.

I'm unsure as to what kind of cheap alloy the Mya is using, but if you smell the metal, you can smell Shisha, even if you clean it off with vinegar, which I've tried plenty of times. I can't complain, it was a $50.00 hookah.

Copper does rust, or should I say it will oxidize. Look at the statue of liberty. It's made of copper. Notice it's green?
[/quote]

I know what boroscilicate is, many people use these glass containers to store their tangiers in. I've seen many of these so called "unbreakable" glass dishes, in fact, break, by falling onto ceramic tile kitchens or concrete outside. Myas are definately the bottom end of the "quality" hookahs in my opinion, I don't know or really care to know what they use in their materials. My QT has worked flawlessly for me for over a year.

And yes, copper does oxidize, notice I said that in the very post you quoted? Know why the statue of liberty is completely green? It stands in the middle of the ocean, salty water. It is also easily removed, many ship wrecks have their treasured oxidized and the copper oxidation is removed before being placed in museams. Sometimes the process is as simple as lemon juice.
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I guess you could stay I'm lazy. I want something I don't have to clean all the time or worry about. That's what it comes down to. Like I said, I didn't say it can't be broken. I'm just saying it's stronger than normal glass. The tensile strength is higher.