Stolen Valor

[TheScotsman]

In a government that seems to be flooded with jackasses, I really find very little as distasteful as stolen valor.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005253-503544.html

While the crime of "stolen valor" would require actually wearing the symbols of valor, not lying about your service (or lack of) I really think little says more about a person's personality, honor, and morals, than attempt to steal valor from those whom actually served.

What is it with dems and their lying about military service, and being under fire? They want the glory, but lack the balls to go earn it.

[fineout]

didn't john mccain get caught lieing about being a POW? Edited May 18, 2010 by fineout

[fineout]

now before you get your panties in a bunch about my last post heres my disclaimer, i dont care, i dont know much about it...and i dont care so whatever you say is going to be lost on me

[Chreees]

What about George Dubbya? See, it's not just the Dems...

The politicians do this so that way they're seen as heros and they think it'll give them a better shot at getting elected.

[F16WarBird]

Shit, I haven't been on a forum yet where people magically become Marines & Green Berets.

If I had my druthers, in addition to being native born and 35 years old, every candidate for the presidency would have to serve 4 years (ACTIVE DUTY) in the armed forces before becoming president.

I've had to serve under a draft dodger, an AWOL, and now an ordinary civilian and [u]NONE[/u] of them have any idea what it means to be sent into harm's way.

[thatonethere]

[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='18 May 2010 - 03:15 PM' timestamp='1274217354' post='468559']
What about George Dubbya? See, it's not just the Dems...

[b]The politicians do this so that way they're seen as heros and they think it'll give them a better shot at getting elected.
[/b][/quote]


+1

[TheScotsman]

[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='18 May 2010 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1274217354' post='468559']
What about George Dubbya? See, it's not just the Dems...

The politicians do this so that way they're seen as heros and they think it'll give them a better shot at getting elected.
[/quote]

When did bush claim to have gone to Vietnam? I guess I missed it, got a link?


Oh, wait, you mean Dan rather-not's lie and false documents the concocted about bush, I remember those, they killed rather's career. As I recall, rather's incompenant staff used MS Office to forge NG documents, but forgot a 1960's manual typewriter doesn't have an ability to use proportional spacing, or superscript on the st 111st. A real problem when the unit in question is the ANG's 111st Squadron.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust18.pdf
That sure does look like the product of an old selectric... or not. More, it sure doesn't look at all like the factual original documents. http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/9-Miscellaneous.pdf

I guess you must have missed rather falling on his sword over the CBS fakery, (along with their DNC supplied "sources" http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11225) and only believed the lib-media BS. I really am not at all surprised, it sounds like a case bush-derangement-syndrome.


Besides, if you can't see a difference between a lie about someone, perpetrated by a 3rd party, and a candidate's [u]own lie about himself[/u], you got a problem sorting out reality.

[Venger]

[quote name='TheScotsman' date='19 May 2010 - 03:41 PM' timestamp='1274298063' post='468675']
[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='18 May 2010 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1274217354' post='468559']
What about George Dubbya? See, it's not just the Dems...

The politicians do this so that way they're seen as heros and they think it'll give them a better shot at getting elected.
[/quote]

When did bush claim to have gone to Vietnam? I guess I missed it, got a link?


Oh, wait, you mean Dan rather-not's lie and false documents the concocted about bush, I remember those, they killed rather's career. As I recall, rather's incompenant staff used MS Office to forge NG documents, but forgot a 1960's manual typewriter doesn't have an ability to use proportional spacing, or superscript on the st 111st. A real problem when the unit in question is the ANG's 111st Squadron.
[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf"]http://www.cbsnews.c...shGuardmay4.pdf[/url]
[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust18.pdf"]http://www.cbsnews.c...ardaugust18.pdf[/url]
That sure does look like the product of an old selectric... or not. More, it sure doesn't look at all like the factual original documents. [url="http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/9-Miscellaneous.pdf"]http://www.usatoday....scellaneous.pdf[/url]

I guess you must have missed rather falling on his sword over the CBS fakery, (along with their DNC supplied "sources" [url="http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11225%29"]http://97.74.65.51/r...px?ARTID=11225)[/url] and only believed the lib-media BS. I really am not at all surprised, it sounds like a case bush-derangement-syndrome.


Besides, if you can't see a difference between a lie about someone, perpetrated by a 3rd party, and a candidate's [u]own lie about himself[/u], you got a problem sorting out reality.
[/quote]
I could tell he was lying...his lips were moving.
Ray

[Chreees]

[quote name='TheScotsman' date='19 May 2010 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1274298063' post='468675']
[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='18 May 2010 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1274217354' post='468559']
What about George Dubbya? See, it's not just the Dems...

The politicians do this so that way they're seen as heros and they think it'll give them a better shot at getting elected.
[/quote]

When did bush claim to have gone to Vietnam? I guess I missed it, got a link?


Oh, wait, you mean Dan rather-not's lie and false documents the concocted about bush, I remember those, they killed rather's career. As I recall, rather's incompenant staff used MS Office to forge NG documents, but forgot a 1960's manual typewriter doesn't have an ability to use proportional spacing, or superscript on the st 111st. A real problem when the unit in question is the ANG's 111st Squadron.
[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf"]http://www.cbsnews.c...shGuardmay4.pdf[/url]
[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust18.pdf"]http://www.cbsnews.c...ardaugust18.pdf[/url]
That sure does look like the product of an old selectric... or not. More, it sure doesn't look at all like the factual original documents. [url="http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/9-Miscellaneous.pdf"]http://www.usatoday....scellaneous.pdf[/url]

I guess you must have missed rather falling on his sword over the CBS fakery, (along with their DNC supplied "sources" [url="http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11225%29"]http://97.74.65.51/r...px?ARTID=11225)[/url] and only believed the lib-media BS. I really am not at all surprised, it sounds like a case bush-derangement-syndrome.


Besides, if you can't see a difference between a lie about someone, perpetrated by a 3rd party, and a candidate's [u]own lie about himself[/u], you got a problem sorting out reality.
[/quote]

It's not that I believed Dan Rather. It's that I didn't believe Bush. He just seems like the kind of guy who would get away with all kinds of shit. And I don't believe all the "lib-media BS." In fact, where is all this "lib-meda BS?" Last I checked I couldn't really find a whole lot of "BS media" coming from liberals... It's all coming from the conservatives, or Republicans if you will. It's called Fox. I about want to shoot myself in the head everytime I'm at my grandparents' house and it's on the TV. Most bullshit I've ever seen/heard on television in my life. Now the democrats have their faults, no doubt. But in my eyes the Republicans are sneaky little bastards who will do anything to get what they want so that it fits into their personal agenda. Democrats would be able to get a lot more done if they had freakin' backbones. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, so I feel I have a pretty objective view of it all. In fact, after Obama being elected, I now believe the Democrats are a lot like the Republicans- sneaky bastards themselves. So now I just pool them all together into one group- none of them can be trusted, and I don't even think I'll ever vote again. The system is so fucked up beyond belief. But I will say this... George Bush was probably, in MY opinion, the worst president in United States history. Imagine how different things would be now if he had never been elected.

[TheScotsman]

[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='19 May 2010 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1274302678' post='468685']
[quote name='TheScotsman' date='19 May 2010 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1274298063' post='468675']
[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='18 May 2010 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1274217354' post='468559']
What about George Dubbya? See, it's not just the Dems...

The politicians do this so that way they're seen as heros and they think it'll give them a better shot at getting elected.
[/quote]

When did bush claim to have gone to Vietnam? I guess I missed it, got a link?


Oh, wait, you mean Dan rather-not's lie and false documents the concocted about bush, I remember those, they killed rather's career. As I recall, rather's incompenant staff used MS Office to forge NG documents, but forgot a 1960's manual typewriter doesn't have an ability to use proportional spacing, or superscript on the st 111st. A real problem when the unit in question is the ANG's 111st Squadron.
[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardmay4.pdf"]http://www.cbsnews.c...shGuardmay4.pdf[/url]
[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust18.pdf"]http://www.cbsnews.c...ardaugust18.pdf[/url]
That sure does look like the product of an old selectric... or not. More, it sure doesn't look at all like the factual original documents. [url="http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/9-Miscellaneous.pdf"]http://www.usatoday....scellaneous.pdf[/url]

I guess you must have missed rather falling on his sword over the CBS fakery, (along with their DNC supplied "sources" [url="http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=11225%29"]http://97.74.65.51/r...px?ARTID=11225)[/url] and only believed the lib-media BS. I really am not at all surprised, it sounds like a case bush-derangement-syndrome.


Besides, if you can't see a difference between a lie about someone, perpetrated by a 3rd party, and a candidate's [u]own lie about himself[/u], you got a problem sorting out reality.
[/quote]

It's not that I believed Dan Rather. It's that I didn't believe Bush. He just seems like the kind of guy who would get away with all kinds of shit. And I don't believe all the "lib-media BS." In fact, where is all this "lib-meda BS?" Last I checked I couldn't really find a whole lot of "BS media" coming from liberals... It's all coming from the conservatives, or Republicans if you will. It's called Fox. I about want to shoot myself in the head everytime I'm at my grandparents' house and it's on the TV. Most bullshit I've ever seen/heard on television in my life. Now the democrats have their faults, no doubt. But in my eyes the Republicans are sneaky little bastards who will do anything to get what they want so that it fits into their personal agenda. Democrats would be able to get a lot more done if they had freakin' backbones. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat, so I feel I have a pretty objective view of it all. In fact, after Obama being elected, I now believe the Democrats are a lot like the Republicans- sneaky bastards themselves. So now I just pool them all together into one group- none of them can be trusted, and I don't even think I'll ever vote again. The system is so fucked up beyond belief. But I will say this... George Bush was probably, in MY opinion, the worst president in United States history. Imagine how different things would be now if he had never been elected.
[/quote]

Ya, just imagine we would have algore, or that other lying wannabe-war-hero, kerry.

[Chreees]

Well, with seeing how Bush worked out, I'm thinking Gore and Kerry might've actually done half of the shit they said they were going to do if elected. Also, they probably would've actually caught bin Laden, which Bush failed to do. Why the hell did we go from going after bin Laden to going into Iraq? Oil. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I see a LOT of things being different if Gore or Kerry had won. Actually, Gore did win, remember? Fox News was the only station that reported Bush won. Then the recount, blah blah blah... Gore won. Damn Supreme Court. Fucked us all.

EDIT: I just want to add that I actually liked Gore, but Kerry was probably the worst candidate they could've picked.

[TheScotsman]

[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='19 May 2010 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1274306264' post='468701']
Well, with seeing how Bush worked out, I'm thinking Gore and Kerry might've actually done half of the shit they said they were going to do if elected. Also, they probably would've actually caught bin Laden, which Bush failed to do. Why the hell did we go from going after bin Laden to going into Iraq? Oil. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I see a LOT of things being different if Gore or Kerry had won. Actually, Gore did win, remember? Fox News was the only station that reported Bush won. Then the recount, blah blah blah... Gore won. Damn Supreme Court. Fucked us all.

EDIT: I just want to add that I actually liked Gore, but Kerry was probably the worst candidate they could've picked.
[/quote]

Let me help you with the facts about who actually missed OBL.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_counterterrorism_before_9_11=huntForBinLaden

Look at all those dates prior to 20-January-2001 missed ops under the [u]Clinton admin[/u]. The simple fact is that if any single president had the blame for WTC attack, it was Bubba. (and Kohbar towers, embassies, on, and on, and on.) But that bush-derangement-syndrome is blinding you!


Just curious, how is it the media/libs blame bush, (not clinton) for not getting OBL... he had been in office for less than 8 months at the time... yet barry heussein obama can blame the previous President for everything after nearly 2 years? seems like a liberal bias to that spin, eh?




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[Chreees]

[quote name='TheScotsman' date='20 May 2010 - 11:24 AM' timestamp='1274372651' post='468777']
Let me help you with the facts about who actually missed OBL.

[url="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_counterterrorism_before_9_11=huntForBinLaden"]http://www.historyco...huntForBinLaden[/url]

Look at all those dates prior to 20-January-2001 missed ops under the [u]Clinton admin[/u]. The simple fact is that if any single president had the blame for WTC attack, it was Bubba. (and Kohbar towers, embassies, on, and on, and on.) But that bush-derangement-syndrome is blinding you!


Just curious, how is it the media/libs blame bush, (not clinton) for not getting OBL... he had been in office for less than 8 months at the time... yet barry heussein obama can blame the previous President for everything after nearly 2 years? seems like a liberal bias to that spin, eh?
[/quote]

Eh, we're just going to have to agree to disagree man.

[TheScotsman]

[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' date='20 May 2010 - 12:16 PM' timestamp='1274375777' post='468782']
[quote name='TheScotsman' date='20 May 2010 - 11:24 AM' timestamp='1274372651' post='468777']
Let me help you with the facts about who actually missed OBL.

[url="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_counterterrorism_before_9_11=huntForBinLaden"]http://www.historyco...huntForBinLaden[/url]

Look at all those dates prior to 20-January-2001 missed ops under the [u]Clinton admin[/u]. The simple fact is that if any single president had the blame for WTC attack, it was Bubba. (and Kohbar towers, embassies, on, and on, and on.) But that bush-derangement-syndrome is blinding you!


Just curious, how is it the media/libs blame bush, (not clinton) for not getting OBL... he had been in office for less than 8 months at the time... yet barry heussein obama can blame the previous President for everything after nearly 2 years? seems like a liberal bias to that spin, eh?
[/quote]

Eh, we're just going to have to agree to disagree man.
[/quote]

I can respect that.

[Rani]

Scotsman, just stop with the "Dem" vilification. They all lie. And I would suggest that anyone who believes they aren't all cut from the same cloth, is naive at best.

'Rani

[Chreees]

[quote name='Rani' date='21 May 2010 - 02:16 PM' timestamp='1274469397' post='468909']
Scotsman, just stop with the "Dem" vilification. They all lie. And I would suggest that anyone who believes they aren't all cut from the same cloth, is naive at best.

'Rani
[/quote]

Totally agree with ya, Rani.

[mustafabey]

This has bothered me for years. i haven't had much experience with online communities, but being a recovering alcoholic,I've sat in many a bar where people recount bullshit war experience and claim bullshit medals. I once knew a guy who impersonated a Naval captain. He almost had me, his medals were in proper order and he had the lingo down pat. His bad teeth gave him away. I was drinking those days with a former Green Beret, who happened to be an FBI agent. So he ran a check on him and it was all bullshit. My buddy wouldn't give me anymore info than that, but the bogus "Captain" disappeared from sight.
I agree with F16warbirds post regarding the presidency, active military service should be a requirement.
As far as decorated politicians go(Kerry,McCain) Kerry was blueblood and Mccain's daddy was an admiral. I am not one to judge whether Kerry deserved his decorations or whether McCain got special treatment at the Hanoi Hilton, or even whether Bush's Guard service was less than it should be, but I've seen,in my day,decorations given to those who have connections and many an enlisted hero go undecorated. Im my humble opinion anyone who is exposed to combat is a hero in my book.
I am a former Marine who served in Vietnam and know just a little about this stuff.

[Chreees]

[quote name='mustafabey' date='21 May 2010 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1274476297' post='468921']
This has bothered me for years. i haven't had much experience with online communities, but being a recovering alcoholic,I've sat in many a bar where people recount bullshit war experience and claim bullshit medals. I once knew a guy who impersonated a Naval captain. He almost had me, his medals were in proper order and he had the lingo down pat. His bad teeth gave him away. I was drinking those days with a former Green Beret, who happened to be an FBI agent. So he ran a check on him and it was all bullshit. My buddy wouldn't give me anymore info than that, but the bogus "Captain" disappeared from sight.
I agree with F16warbirds post regarding the presidency, active military service should be a requirement.
As far as decorated politicians go(Kerry,McCain) Kerry was blueblood and Mccain's daddy was an admiral. I am not one to judge whether Kerry deserved his decorations or whether McCain got special treatment at the Hanoi Hilton, or even whether Bush's Guard service was less than it should be, but I've seen,in my day,decorations given to those who have connections and many an enlisted hero go undecorated. Im my humble opinion anyone who is exposed to combat is a hero in my book.
I am a former Marine who served in Vietnam and know just a little about this stuff.
[/quote]

Thank you for your service. Nice to have people on here who fight for our country.

[mustafabey]

And Thank you,sir, for support. Its a two way commitment.One can not exist without the other.

[F16WarBird]

[b]"Freedom has a taste to those who fight, and almost die, that the protected will never know."[/b] ~ Written on a wall in the Hanoi Hilton

[johnp]

Well, I know what incoming looks like. Even worse, what it sounds like.
Still....
I don't necessarily think Presidents should have to serve 4 years. It might help them, but there are lots of cases where it wouldn't either.

I think the requirement would end up with bluebloods and billionaire string-pullers (who do you think REALLY decides who we get to choose from? ) working a "pipeline" of sorts for their favored candidates which would expose them to ONLY enough to brag in their campaign ads.

I would like for candidates to attend a school or *something* that teaches them what the armed forces are really about instead of the establishment BS they've been spoonfed at (insert name of Ivy League school here) by professors who've never served and base their instruction on still others, who also have not served. It's the blind men in the house trying to describe the elephant. Unfortunately, they are in the position of having to seem to know everything...so things go downhill and their students become misinformed. It doesn't stop after school. Look how many politicians (regardless of your standing on it) protested Arizona's new controversial law...but then admitted they hadn't actually bothered to *read* it. Same with Politicians and their stolen valor. They tell us stories based on what they think we want to hear, based on what they've heard from someone else.
No wonder some people think we go over and wholesale slaughter everything moving. Truth is I've been shot at quite a few times and only once have I been in a position where I would be allowed to fire back. ROE are far more strict in real life than in the movies.

It is shocking the assumptions I've heard leveled at me or the armed forces in general by people who were presumably more educated than I.
Just because you can quote Aristotle doesn't mean you know much about my job.

Here's my opinion (on some things)
Kind of a rant, so skip to the end if you want to ignore me venting.

Kerry-globalist. never had a chance, simply because he was a traitor. He has been recorded testifying to Congress that he had witnessed all manner of things which, honestly, I don't think he did, (otherwise as the LT he was in charge and therefore, if it had happened it was HIS RESPONSIBILITY to discipline those responsible....he apparently did not) meanwhile the recording was used by Vietnamese forces before all of ours had even come home.

Gore-globalist. a simple opportunist. His theories about global warming have made him a LOOOOOT of Money, with his corporation selling "carbon credits". His ties with the UN political entities ensured them that they would be able to tax us simply for how much we breathe (CO2 anyone) and suddenly dissenting scientists need not apply for funding. No surprise suddenly so many UN scientists believed in [man caused] global warming. When the emails got leaked that the scientists were "fixing" the data to support what they were telling us....instead of finding out how much was BS, our government instead wanted to seek out the people who hacked the emails....even with the fraud exposed, Gore and the UN are moving forward with the global tax on CO2...

Bush-terrible public speaker. Didn't lie about his service. National Guard-doesn't mean no risk. I've seen National Guard troops stuck in Iraq every time I've been there. They can die too, not just on their one weekend a month (peacetime hours....). Too much of a Globalist.

Clinton-Globalist. DID give up OBL opportunities more than once. One of the 3 crookedest Presidents in my lifetime (IMHO). Shrank armed forces pitifully small, inviting OBL himself to say we had become a paper tiger...demonstrated unwillingness to support our interests for any reason....(Americans dragged through streets of Mogadishu-his response: deny use of armor, and withdraw)
GAVE entire US Patent database to CHINA. Also signed on to give China all patent submissions. No wonder China keeps beating us at the technology game these days....signed orders allowing US Technology to be given/sold to the Chinese. This includes the super quiet screws (propellers) on our nuclear submarines, as well as missile guidance technology. China, who before Clinton could barely field a souped up SCUD...has now successfully shot down SATELLITES. A US city would be a much easier target.
Finally, he honored Pres. Carter's unratified agreement to turn the Panama canal back over to Panama. It was built by Americans, was US territory, and Panama had no means to run it.
Surprise surprise, it is now run by a Chinese company and Panama is full of Chinese troops.
Yet, everyone is meant to believe he got in trouble for a stain on a dress. I couldn't give a @#$ about the dress. The other stuff is what troubles me.

Iraq. Yeah, there's oil. No, we're not getting it. Bugs me that everyone seems to like saying "see, there weren't any WMD's". That's like telling a meth lab they're about to be raided a week in advance, and then when the police kick in the door, yelling "Pigs! those are just innocent poor people, no METH lab!". Not sure what others have seen but I've seen fueled missiles next to railroad cars full of gas masks and atropine (2003) doesn't mean he had anything still...but my thinking is you don't put on a condom unless you intend to use it. I'm convinced there was lots of ChemBio stuff around. Not sure about Nuclear but his own scientists believed he did, and the UN inspectors were conveniently forbidden from making surprise inspection *anywhere*. It would have surprised me if they HAD found anything.
So the "Bush lied" bit doesn't fly, at least in Iraq. As I recall all Saddam had to do was open everything up to the inspectors. He refused. It didn't go well for him. The idea that everything was a "lie" I think has more to do with it being during an election year and Democrats (and some Republicans) needed a way to make the war seem distasteful so they could beat out the current occupants of various political offices. Which they did.
Now it's their turn to be the "bumbling incumbents" and they're squirming now that the microscope is on them for a change.

Mr. Obama-HUGE Globalist...(is this guy even American? did much of his campaign "apologizing" for America in other countries) doing quite a bit to negate our national sovereignty (IMHO) and quite a bit more to negate our Constitution. More unratified treaties with Russia, for instance. Treaties with the UN about gun control which are supposed to supersede our own national law. Taking over private corporations. Unelected "czars" in charge of everything. Spent well over a million US in attorney fees to keep the state of Hawaii from releasing his actual birth records (as opposed to the one that can be sent in for by mail, which is openly displayed elsewhere online).

McCain. Globalist. Sell out. IMHO was run against Obama by someone else pulling the strings, simply to insure Obama won. Shocking that even with McCain's lukewarm campaign, that Obama barely beat him, even after Obama spent more than any campaign in history on media, etc.
Obama should have trounced him soundly. Being a POW for so long has to have an effect on someone and IMHO doesn't qualify you to lead a country. Demonstrated successful leadership, however, be it in warfare or in a peacetime discipline like a major corporation, combined with *genuine* patriotism are what I look for.


Sorry for the rant folks. Just had to vent.
I don't think you need to serve to be a good president.
I do think you need to be educated-by the services-on what they really do, how they do it, and how best to utilize them, however.

[Allstar]

I agree with the statement of 4 years of years, but I would say it needs to be enlisted. With at least one war tour if there is an ongoing war. You can't lead properly if you don't know how to follow. Last thing I want to hear is some officer yammering in my ear about he is only doing this because he wants to be president. Bad enough I have to put up with college stories and them telling me how to do my job when they have been commissioned for all of two years. Hell I have underwear that has more deployed time then that. Just my two cents.

[mustafabey]

One of the biggest problems we had in Vietnam was the ticket punching system. Every officer was required to serve 1/2 his tour,6 months in a line outfit, then he was sent back to the rear to safety and beer. In 6 months a company commander just about knows his company well enough to run it aggressively and efficiently. So just when things were looking good, a new captain shows up and the unit goes to hell cause this dude has zero combat experience and is more worried about haircuts and other forms of chickenshit than in combat. On the platoon level, lieutenants
were fresh out of college and the basic school at Quantico and didn't know shit. If they were smart the listened to their platoon sergeants if not they died. I came damned close to shooting one of these assholes up on OP Crow outside of Phu Bai. Fortunately for him, they listened to my pleas and flew him out. He later was seriously wounded(brains to jello) in dubious circumstances.