Difference Between Zaghoul & Bata?

[bellydancerakn]

Hey guys so I'm trying to put together an order from Hookah Set of a bunch of different shishas I want to try.

nakhla two apples tobacco
nakhla tobacco apple Eskandarany
Mizo cherry Tobacco
Mizo White Grapes Tobacco
Mizo Peach Tobacco
Mizo Guava Tobacco
Mizo Mint Tobacco
NAKHLA Rose Tobacco
Starbuzz Blue Mist Tobacco
Starbuzz Irish Cream Tobacco

[size="2"]The thing is I want to have a traditional-type shisha also. So my choice is between Zaghoul and Bata. Now I know they are both unflavored but what is the difference between the two? And yes I've check reviews and I've already tried Nakhla's website and it didn't say anything.

Thanks for the help!!![/size]


EDIT: There is also Kass Super as an unflavored. Would this be good too?

[mushrat]

considering the Bata is out of stock. I'd say your problem is solved.

[bellydancerakn]

[quote name='mushrat' date='21 May 2010 - 05:43 AM' timestamp='1274445806' post='468874']
considering the Bata is out of stock. I'd say your problem is solved. [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]
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Ahhh it turns out you are right. Never mind then.

[mushrat]

of course i'm right. I went to see what the stuff was you were talkiing about because I had never heard of it.

[bellydancerakn]

[quote name='mushrat' date='21 May 2010 - 02:15 PM' timestamp='1274476517' post='468923']
of course i'm right. I went to see what the stuff was you were talkiing about because I had never heard of it. [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif[/img]
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Yeah I did a search on the forum and nothing came up except another guy asking what bata was.

[twoapplesplease]

I could tell you the difference between zaghoul and khan el khalili [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]

kass super is also out of stock that web site says

[bellydancerakn]

[quote name='twoapplesplease' date='21 May 2010 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1274481838' post='468927']
I could tell you the difference between zaghoul and khan el khalili [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]

kass super is also out of stock that web site says
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Yeah I saw last night. Only zaghoul is available.
I'm still curious as to the differences between them all. If anyone knows. Knowledge is knowledge and they might not be out of stock forever.

[Hassouni]

Zaghloul is a proper name and Bata (really Batta) means duck in Arabic. Otherwise, can't help!

[twoapplesplease]

zaghoul is hard to describe as a flavor mostly a strong tobacco flavor with some earthy notes and a lite molasses sweetness....Personally I prefere the unflavored khan el khalili its a much stronger flavor (also much stonger then zag) and is more complex with woodsy and nut and spice notes and a bit earthy, less noticiable molasses sweetness

eather way do smoke them with foil and pack dense and use extra heat...Also for the first times you try it I recomend mixing it with other flavored nakhlas...Cherry,Rose,mint and two apples are great to mix with zaghoul from your list, also recomended mixer flavors are jassamine,vannilia,caramel,sweet molasses.

also personally I like to mix zaghoul or khan with AF soft black for a strait tobacco flavor ,the AF soft black has alot more molasses on it and mixing it with the less "juicy" zag or khan is amazing the flavor complexity is great ,and the AF soft black smooths out the ass kicker affect of the stronger zag and khan and it gives the AF soft black the extra kick it needs....Ohh ..the AF soft black has a mostly molasses flavor to it with some nice tobacco flavors but it is much sweeter then the other 2

Hope that helps And personaly I think the zaghoul is the place to start on black tobaccos...You dont have to buy a whole kilo like with the soft black and its not so "in your face" as khan is......Can't wait to hear about your run with it

[Hassouni]

foil may work, but Zaghloul and all the other unflavored tobaccos are meant to be piled high and smoked without foil. Doing that with zaghloul is like hitting a cigar, though not really as nice

[bellydancerakn]

[quote name='twoapplesplease' date='21 May 2010 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1274498539' post='468955']

also personally I like to mix zaghoul or khan with AF soft black for a strait tobacco flavor ,the AF soft black has alot more molasses on it and mixing it with the less "juicy" zag or khan is amazing the flavor complexity is great ,and the AF soft black smooths out the ass kicker affect of the stronger zag and khan and it gives the AF soft black the extra kick it needs....Ohh ..the AF soft black has a mostly molasses flavor to it with some nice tobacco flavors but it is much sweeter then the other 2

Hope that helps And personaly I think the zaghoul is the place to start on black tobaccos...You dont have to buy a whole kilo like with the soft black and its not so "in your face" as khan is......Can't wait to hear about your run with it [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]


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Yeah I would prefer to try AF soft black, but hell if I'm buying a freaking kilo lol.

[quote name='Hassouni' date='22 May 2010 - 12:34 AM' timestamp='1274513698' post='468984']
foil may work, but Zaghloul and all the other unflavored tobaccos are meant to be piled high and smoked without foil. Doing that with zaghloul is like hitting a cigar, though not really as nice
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I love cigars so I doubt it will be too bad. And I'll try it both ways. With foil and without. I always thought it was supposed to be without foil, but whats the harm?

[twoapplesplease]

foil helps distribute and heat the tobacco up better I think....and it smokes smoother too imo...

[size="6"]Warning do not click on these photos there huge![/size]
I'll post the way I pack the black moassels its goona take a few posts with the pic size....a mix of nakhla kahn el khalili/AF soft black/salloum plain[attachment=4877:special black 002.JPG]

[twoapplesplease]

pile high on shallow wide egyptian[attachment=4878:special black 003.JPG]

[twoapplesplease]

squish down with foil[attachment=4879:special black 004.JPG]

[twoapplesplease]

poke giant holes [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img] .....add coals...use windcover....make puffy clouds................. tried something differnt with pic uploading

[img]http://www.hookahforum.com/uploads/monthly_05_2010/post-16450-127458489513_thumb.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/uploads/monthly_05_2010/post-16450-12745849533_thumb.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/uploads/monthly_05_2010/post-16450-127458500758_thumb.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/uploads/monthly_05_2010/post-16450-127458508085_thumb.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/uploads/monthly_05_2010/post-16450-127458515643_thumb.jpg[/img]

[bellydancerakn]

last post didn't work

[twoapplesplease]

really? only I see the pics? weird

[Sahara Man]

[font="Century Gothic"]Zaghloul = Duckling
Bata = Duck (also referred to a woman with a big behind lol)

Get the Bata![/font]

[bellydancerakn]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='25 May 2010 - 07:29 AM' timestamp='1274797797' post='469420']
[font="Century Gothic"]Zaghloul = Duckling
Bata = Duck (also referred to a woman with a big behind lol)

Get the Bata![/font]
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Alas but it is out of stock of Bata at the moment. I'm getting Zaghoul and Zaghoul light.

[Hassouni]

[quote name='Sahara Man' date='25 May 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1274797797' post='469420']
[font="Century Gothic"]Zaghloul = Duckling
Bata = Duck (also referred to a woman with a big behind lol)

Get the Bata![/font]
[/quote]

Interesting. I've seen Zaghloul as a surname but never Batta. Why the duck obsession?

[bellydancerakn]

[quote name='Hassouni' date='25 May 2010 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1274815484' post='469462']
[quote name='Sahara Man' date='25 May 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1274797797' post='469420']
[font="Century Gothic"]Zaghloul = Duckling
Bata = Duck (also referred to a woman with a big behind lol)

Get the Bata![/font]
[/quote]

Interesting. I've seen Zaghloul as a surname but never Batta. Why the duck obsession?
[/quote]


Well you know what they say about Arabs and Ducks...








I don't either...

[Sahara Man]

[quote name='Hassouni' date='25 May 2010 - 03:24 PM' timestamp='1274815484' post='469462']
[quote name='Sahara Man' date='25 May 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1274797797' post='469420']
[font="Century Gothic"]Zaghloul = Duckling
Bata = Duck (also referred to a woman with a big behind lol)

Get the Bata![/font]
[/quote]

Interesting. I've seen Zaghloul as a surname but never Batta. Why the duck obsession?
[/quote]

[font="Century Gothic"]Hehehee I have no idea man. Just been the slang.
As far hookah talk, Zaghloul is good![/font]

[Sahara Man]

[quote name='bellydancerakn' date='25 May 2010 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1274843677' post='469495']
[quote name='Hassouni' date='25 May 2010 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1274815484' post='469462']
[quote name='Sahara Man' date='25 May 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1274797797' post='469420']
[font="Century Gothic"]Zaghloul = Duckling
Bata = Duck (also referred to a woman with a big behind lol)

Get the Bata![/font]
[/quote]

Interesting. I've seen Zaghloul as a surname but never Batta. Why the duck obsession?
[/quote]


Well you know what they say about Arabs and Ducks...








I don't either...
[/quote]
[font="Century Gothic"]LOL That was random![/font]

[Hassouni]

To my knowledge, ducks aren't even commonly eaten in the Arab world, unlike pigeons, sparrows, and various other birds. In Iran, however.....

[bellydancerakn]

[quote name='Hassouni' date='25 May 2010 - 12:24 PM' timestamp='1274815484' post='469462']
[quote name='Sahara Man' date='25 May 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1274797797' post='469420']
[font="Century Gothic"]Zaghloul = Duckling
Bata = Duck (also referred to a woman with a big behind lol)

Get the Bata![/font]
[/quote]

Interesting. I've seen Zaghloul as a surname but never Batta. Why the duck obsession?
[/quote]

Maybe it's egyptian or indian in orgin? Maybe Bata is stronger than Zaghoul and the Arabs, being manly men with no women present to civilize them, of course turned it into a sexual joke that they were smoking a woman with a big ass. And then Zaghoul is all about smoking a younger barely-legal girl?
It's a bunch of men in a group, odds are it is sexual.