mushrat Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Now i've always laughed at the whole KM craze, looking at it as more of a Herd mentality kinda thing (nothing personal to the herd). Now i have a KM tri-metal which I've been smoking from and to be honest...it smokes just like my Hookah Brothers, my Mya Grande Gelato, my Nour chiller, My MZ and my quality no-name Egyptian. Y it's pretty, and its fairly solid, like the mz,mya,hb, and nour but there is nothing magical about it. Looks cool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Agreed. My new Mya Paragon smokes just as well as my old KM Pharonie. Just as solid too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchard Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Mush, I want to see this Nour chiller! The KMs smoke a little different that the Nours and Myas I have used. The pull feels a little bit more open compared to the slightly restrictive pull of both Nours I own, as well as my Myz Acrylic. Same story with my friend's QT too. They all smoke great and very similar in the end, but there are a couple tiny differences between each brand/style. I guess thats part of my excuse for buying more pipes that I need. Haha/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Well said sir, dispel the myth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='mitchard' date='31 July 2010 - 11:19 AM' timestamp='1280589590' post='477160'] Mush, I want to see this Nour chiller! The KMs smoke a little different that the Nours and Myas I have used. The pull feels a little bit more open compared to the slightly restrictive pull of both Nours I own, as well as my Myz Acrylic. Same story with my friend's QT too. They all smoke great and very similar in the end, but there are a couple tiny differences between each brand/style. I guess thats part of my excuse for buying more pipes that I need. Haha/ [/quote] well, things like diameter of the stem and downstem will effect the pull, as well as the bowl and tobacco so of course there are going to be small differences. But as you pointed out, they are all pretty much alike. After all, its just a hookah, a pretty simple machine really. If its air tight and there are no blockages then they should all smoke about the same if they are of similar construction. Ill take a picture later and post it of the chiller. Was an opening gift from Smiley before he went bye bye. Ill have to post a picture of my stable some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 mush, i need to find these hookahs you're talking about....my syrians and my mya hookahs don't pull as freely as my KMs. and not what i would call a "small difference". they have the typical syrian pull, noticeably restricted to where you can pull for muuuuuch longer. people tend to confuse the length of the pull with a better flow, but the opposite is the case. you can only pull longer because you are getting less vapor per second to fill your lungs. take a coffee stir and try to drink a can of soda as fast as possible, now use a regular straw, and now one of those giant straws (used for boba). the soda is consumed faster and more easily, the larger the diameter of the straw. same goes for a hookah. also, to point out...the restriction is amplified when i pack my egyptian bowls. i pack my egyptians tight....like, really tight. if i try to use a syrian or my mya, it's a strain to take a pull. the KM's wider pull is actually transformed more into a syrian-esque type pull. then again, i think i remember mush saying he bored out a few of his pipes to pull better? could've been someone else, but pretty sure it was you mush. but, if people own a syrian/chinese and a KM...try the egyptian bowl tight pack and see if the difference in pull is more evident between the two....you'd be surprised... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='Arcane' date='31 July 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1280600815' post='477175'] mush, i need to find these hookahs you're talking about....my syrians and my mya hookahs don't pull as freely as my KMs. and not what i would call a "small difference". they have the typical syrian pull, noticeably restricted to where you can pull for muuuuuch longer. people tend to confuse the length of the pull with a better flow, but the opposite is the case. you can only pull longer because you are getting less vapor per second to fill your lungs. take a coffee stir and try to drink a can of soda as fast as possible, now use a regular straw, and now one of those giant straws (used for boba). the soda is consumed faster and more easily, the larger the diameter of the straw. same goes for a hookah. also, to point out...the restriction is amplified when i pack my egyptian bowls. i pack my egyptians tight....like, really tight. if i try to use a syrian or my mya, it's a strain to take a pull. the KM's wider pull is actually transformed more into a syrian-esque type pull. then again, i think i remember mush saying he bored out a few of his pipes to pull better? could've been someone else, but pretty sure it was you mush. but, if people own a syrian/chinese and a KM...try the egyptian bowl tight pack and see if the difference in pull is more evident between the two....you'd be surprised... [/quote] Well, as i said, the bigger the inner diameter of the pipes and tubes the more open the pull is going to be. and ya, if itsa real open pull you'll fill your lungs haster than with something a bit more restricted. also such things as HOSE diameter will make a difference. And of course soemthing restricting the hose. I'd say about half of the mya standard hoses and a few traditional ones I've delt with had wood and or glue restricting the draw on the hose. I used to use a rifle cleaning rod to clear out the hoses. I'll borrow my friends calipers this weekend and measure the downstems on my hookahs and see how the diameter translates to air flow. I bored out an autoseal port on my original hookah to improve the aor flow. If you are thinking of something more extensive it wasn't me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted July 31, 2010 Author Share Posted July 31, 2010 also my favorite Mya is a the grande which happens to have a pretty big downstem diameter for free flowing smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agunn1231 Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 I have yet to own a KM but I have a MZ, and it smokes about as well if not better than the KM's I have smoked from at the only decent lounge in town. I still want to get a KM though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 My KMs I've owned have given me more smoke (bigger clouds) and also a smoother pull than any of the Mya's or AF's or any other hookah I've smoked out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='mushrat' date='31 July 2010 - 09:39 AM' timestamp='1280605191' post='477188'] [quote name='Arcane' date='31 July 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1280600815' post='477175'] mush, i need to find these hookahs you're talking about....my syrians and my mya hookahs don't pull as freely as my KMs. and not what i would call a "small difference". they have the typical syrian pull, noticeably restricted to where you can pull for muuuuuch longer. people tend to confuse the length of the pull with a better flow, but the opposite is the case. you can only pull longer because you are getting less vapor per second to fill your lungs. take a coffee stir and try to drink a can of soda as fast as possible, now use a regular straw, and now one of those giant straws (used for boba). the soda is consumed faster and more easily, the larger the diameter of the straw. same goes for a hookah. also, to point out...the restriction is amplified when i pack my egyptian bowls. i pack my egyptians tight....like, really tight. if i try to use a syrian or my mya, it's a strain to take a pull. the KM's wider pull is actually transformed more into a syrian-esque type pull. then again, i think i remember mush saying he bored out a few of his pipes to pull better? could've been someone else, but pretty sure it was you mush. but, if people own a syrian/chinese and a KM...try the egyptian bowl tight pack and see if the difference in pull is more evident between the two....you'd be surprised... [/quote] Well, as i said, the bigger the inner diameter of the pipes and tubes the more open the pull is going to be. and ya, if itsa real open pull you'll fill your lungs haster than with something a bit more restricted. also such things as HOSE diameter will make a difference. And of course soemthing restricting the hose. I'd say about half of the mya standard hoses and a few traditional ones I've delt with had wood and or glue restricting the draw on the hose. I used to use a rifle cleaning rod to clear out the hoses. I'll borrow my friends calipers this weekend and measure the downstems on my hookahs and see how the diameter translates to air flow. I bored out an autoseal port on my original hookah to improve the aor flow. If you are thinking of something more extensive it wasn't me. [/quote] nah...it was more extensive than that.....probably foibled_again.... also, i just thought of something....what standards to people consider a pipe as "smoking well"? re-reading the thread, it's seems its a given that KM's have a looser pull than most syrians/chinese...yet, people say either or "smoke just as well" as a KM...so, what does that actually imply? you take a pull and smoke goes into your mouth? well, if that's the standard, then you can actually say those $10 pumpkins smoke as well as a KM. yet, a majority of this board will agree that statement is ludicrous. sooo, what does "smoking well" actually mean? note: this post is not personally directed to mush, but added to the thread to provoke some kind of discussion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted July 31, 2010 Share Posted July 31, 2010 [quote name='Arcane' date='31 July 2010 - 07:01 PM' timestamp='1280617282' post='477211'] nah...it was more extensive than that.....probably foibled_again.... also, i just thought of something....what standards to people consider a pipe as "smoking well"? re-reading the thread, it's seems its a given that KM's have a looser pull than most syrians/chinese...yet, people say either or "smoke just as well" as a KM...so, what does that actually imply? you take a pull and smoke goes into your mouth? well, if that's the standard, then you can actually say those $10 pumpkins smoke as well as a KM. yet, a majority of this board will agree that statement is ludicrous. sooo, what does "smoking well" actually mean? note: this post is not personally directed to mush, but added to the thread to provoke some kind of discussion... [/quote] I think the idea is that it doesn't take MUCH effort to get a hit that produces massive clouds. Yeah the KMs and other Egyptian shishas I've smoked produce epic clouds just by looking at them, whereas my Lebanese pipes require a more intentional pull, but the end product is just as much smoke, without too much effort. Shitty pipes/hoses require one to really drag hard, as I'm sure you know. So I guess it's subjective between a bit of dragging that one doesn't mind, and a ton of dragging which just becomes a lot of work. On super restrictive ones I've never really been able to get big puffy clouds either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 yep, i agree with you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian_villager Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 This Nour Chiller Idea has me excited. I second the vote for the pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookah hippie Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 I have to agree with you mush I also smoke from an array of hookahs syrians kms mzs myas no name chinese and egyptian yet they all smoke incredibly well. I must say though the weight of the syrian pipe is unmatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porksandwich9113 Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Compared to my QT and little SS modern - my KM is like a god in terms of smoke thickness and ease of pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted August 1, 2010 Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 Look, im talking like in size and such. Of course a 34" km is going to hit differently than a 14" qt. My main point here is mainly that the KM smokes the same as the others I have of similar size and build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhineholt Posted August 1, 2010 Share Posted August 1, 2010 Although I don't own a KM, I agree that most hookahs should all smoke the same.. I have a temsah, a syrian, and a QT. All three give GREAT smoke. I actually think I enjoy the syrian better then the temsah. However, each one is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstar Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I like the look of my KM, but my two mya's smoke great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookah_510 Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 KM tri-metal > Super Nova (egyptian) > Mya Odyssey > Mya Mini > Mya QT all single hoses using Narbish v3. as far as smoke volume goes at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookahJosh Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 My QT smokes better than my KM tri-metal, wasn't worth the $150 I spent on it. I gotta admint, it looks nice, but smokes average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 of course all the pipes you listed were all relatively the same price. I personally bought my km cause it was the cheapest 28"+ for less then 70$. For my next pipe i would luv to get a nammor or a nice syrian. but those are great pipes to smoke pics of the chiller would be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcracer_tx Posted August 8, 2010 Share Posted August 8, 2010 I have to agree with with you Mush. After getting a couple mz's, a couple km's, and several others, the difference in smoke quality is negligible with the same bowl prep. from my experience its all about the down-stem diameter and the opening to the hose port. maybe I'm crazy though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 the little mya razo i once had smokes NO WHERE as good as my kms. my kms smoke better than syrians i have by far too. if you use mya hoses for your km, it will only smoke as well that your mya, since your most limiting part is your hose. with my km hoses (with bored out ends) none of my other hookahs get near kms in terms of smoke volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynysterPhoenix Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 I have a KM OG Trimetal, Mya QT, and an MZ. They all smoke relatively the same, though I do enjoy my KM with the BoHo vase, its purty =) Back to the original point of this post, its a matter of looks for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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