jas142 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Something I have always wondered.. Is it dangerous to use foil rather than a metal grate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enima For Your Lungs Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 No. Foil is fine. Aluminum isn't harmful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3304&KW=foil+oxide"] http://www.hookahforum.com/forum/forum_pos...asp?TID=3304&am[/url] p;KW=foil+oxide [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1216&am"]http://www.hookahforum.com/forum/forum_pos...asp?TID=1216&am[/url] p;KW=foil+oxide://http://www.hookahforum.com/forum/fo...p;KW=foil+oxide You decide.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymptom Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I'm not convinced that foil is completely safe. A few days ago I had two Japanese Goldens on a bowl of Tangiers and decided to make a wind cover chimney out of foil. But even though none of the foil came close to making direct contact with the coal, as soon as I put the cover on the bowl I noticed a really nasty smell. I immediately removed the foil, which had quickly become extremely hot, and took a whiff inside the chimney. Nasty smell... definitely seemed as though something was being released. It stopped about 5-10 seconds after being removed from the heat source. I tested it again, this time just holding a piece of foil over the coal for a few seconds and got the same stench. Could be a plasic coating on the foil, could be something else... whatever it is, I don't like it. Too bad I can't find any screens large enough to use with most of my bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauldavis Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 well, i remember back when i did a lot a cannabis research (hem hem) i read something about how you should never smoke out of an alluminum foil bowl, as it releases more carcinogens. but then again, the screen that came with my hookah never seems to do the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonthert Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Aluminum foil is safe: 1. There is no mechanism for the travel of aluminum from on top of the bowl to your lungs...that is...it can't get there. 2. Research regarding aluminum as a causitive factor for Alzheimer's Disease is not widely accepted. Some of the components that make up the Alzheimer's syndrome chemicals contain aluminum. 3. Alzheimer's is almost universally accepted to be genetic rather than environmental. 4. The consumption of aluminum in your diet is far larger than you would think and likely to be far larger than the questionable amount you could get by chewing on the same amount aluminum foil you would put on your hookah. Look for Sodium aluminum silicate...found in salt, cheese, corn meal and other granular food items to prevent them from clumping up. Water also contains a good amount of aluminum. Think about the nature of the rumors about the health risks of aluminum and compare them to smoking...I remember hearing something about the Surgeon General of the USA saying smoking caused cancer. Invariably the sources for aluminum fear go this way: "Some idiot stoner I know told me that aluminum caused brain tumors and cancer." Truth be told, its probably smokin' them tweeds causing the Alzheimer's. Yeah. People, one more time...stop believing things that aren't backed up by scientific evidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSolitude Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 but tangiers... thats the american way. global warming doesnt exist because the fox news anchors say it doesnt, what about the millions of scientists you say? hippie dippie liberals. i agree though, if science supports something then pay attention to it, not to what you heard from so and so who heard it from tom who heard it from danny dipsh*t who heard it from a leprochaun(sp?) while on a gnarly trip dude. aluminum may give me alzheimers, but that wont be before smoking gives me cancer. live a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguineSolitude Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 sorry about the double post. but CYMPTOM, what kind of foil were you using? some cheap foils and special foils contain weird binders and are coated strangely. stick to regular old reynolds wrap. if thats what you were using... crap Im doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Wow, tang, you really went all out. Point #1 really makes the case! It would have to go through the tobacco, down to the water, up into an air bubble, carried up by inhaling, travel through the hose without being caught, in your mouth without being caught, down your wind pipe without being caught, and to the lungs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 I still prefer my screens..so there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubi-WAC Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 mushrat: do your screens have a bulge in the middle. I only can really place my coal in the middle of the screen because it is higher than the rest of the screen. I got mine from SouthSmoke, but i was looking on HookahCompany and they have a different type of screen than others. Which one do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Screens are better, IMO. Takes one more variable out of the equation for good smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Whats: now, you are going to think I'm a wiseass, but im really serious here. One of us has our screens upsidedown. Mine are indeed raised accross most of the middle, slightly lower around the edges, but If you flip them over, the edges fit almost exactly around a mya bowl with the lower center part kind fitting into the bowl a little to hold it in place... I'll post a picture or two tonorrow if you want to see if I have what you have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubi-WAC Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Now that I look at it... I probably do use it upside down. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Corbin: Does it work well with the bulge up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubi-WAC Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 It does, I normally just slap on about an inch or Nour's, place it in the middle, and put my wind cover on. Never had many problems with it, except for a slight amout of shisha unused around the edges. Which I feel like I am wasting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Simple solution to your waste...move the coal around the bowl. You'll get all the tobacco used and the bowl will last longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Soup, the problem with using the screen with the raised part up is that if you put the coal on the edge, without a foil wrap to hold it in place, the coal will roll off the edge so he would have trouble moving the coal around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubi-WAC Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 What is this "foil wrap", I keep reading about it, and even saw a picture in another thread, but I still don't understand it. Could someone explain how it works please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Everyone remember those bowls Taqseem was selling? The ones with the snap lock wind-guard, that came with a screen which fit all the chinese ceramic bowls extreamely well? I used to be a foil man exclusively, but because of the screen on those that fit so well, and I don't have to mess around with bending the tab, I've become a screen man now. Its just so much easier to slip a screen over my bowl than have to mess with foil and poking holes. Foil took up most of my prep time. Now I can get rocking in only a few minutes time. Prep time was the main reason, but also I was concerned about the aluminum. Tangiers sounds like he knows what he's talking about and I trust him, but I figure not using aluminum is just one less thing I have to worry about health wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soup Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 It is in place of a screen. Same effect just with a non reusable format. I've tried using foil but I never get a good smoke....although some swear by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 I have tried metal screens and aluminum foil, and overall the bowl with the metal screen and snap down windguard would rate high on my list. Aluminum foil is great because its easy to cool down your smoke if its too harsh, heat transfer is very fast. My problem with normal screens has to be the indent for the coal. I dont get why they dont just make them flat instead, it would make for a much superior design even though coal roll off would increase. But it would save people from having to flip it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubi-WAC Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Very true... have you looked at HookahCompany's screens. In the picture they look like they are flat, but I can not tell. Does anyone have these screens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 actaually, whats is talking about a foil wrap around the outside of the bowl in place of a wind screen. It keeps the wind out if you are outside, keeps your coals from rolling off where ever you are, and traps heat to give you a better "oven" effect when smoking. A lot of Cafe's do it this way I've noticed. It looks like th pictures have finally dissapeared i did of making one..i'll repost the process, though it not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Well if your trying to avoid tinfoil the wind screen isnt exactly helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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