benjie613 Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Hey, so basically i bought the gunmetal stargate hookah with 2 hoses a year ago and for a while im seeing rust building actually to my surprise pretty fast! also within the stems and bases i have orange rust and some greenish-with white dots- layered something (maybe rust?). and the water in the base colors into a dark orangey color within minutes of starting. #1 how unhealthy is it to smoke it in this condition? #2 what can i do against it if anything? #3 i am a bit worried abotu the water coloring this fast! Appreciate helpful comments! Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 #1- This is terrbile for your health #2 and #3- Throw it away and buy a Mya, KM, MZ, or AF hookah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainUM Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 sounds like a whole heap of problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhineholt Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 I guess you can try to just run water through it and hope all of the rus... actually. toss it. it's really not worth your trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainUM Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 ditch it and get something else like a KM or a MYA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainUM Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 oh, and the greenish with white dots stuff might be mold, which is god awful for you if you are inhaling it. mold can cause all sorts of problems you dont want to deal with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhineholt Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 [quote name='IainUM' date='14 August 2010 - 02:09 AM' timestamp='1281769778' post='478850'] oh, and the greenish with white dots stuff might be mold, which is god awful for you if you are inhaling it. mold can cause all sorts of problems you dont want to deal with [/quote] pretty sure its just the metal oxidizing. i get the same thing sometimes too if i leave my hookah sit after use for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikefu Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 If it's aluminum, the white is probably oxidation. But regardless, try a super deep cleaning using a stem brush and dish soap with a little salt thrown in for abrasion in the stem, and if that doesn't get it sparkly clean, get a new one. And wash the new one often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainUM Posted August 14, 2010 Share Posted August 14, 2010 that's good then. as long as it isn't mold. that stuff'll ruin your day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjie613 Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 [quote name='rhineholt' date='14 August 2010 - 09:03 AM' timestamp='1281801822' post='478879'] [quote name='IainUM' date='14 August 2010 - 02:09 AM' timestamp='1281769778' post='478850'] oh, and the greenish with white dots stuff might be mold, which is god awful for you if you are inhaling it. mold can cause all sorts of problems you dont want to deal with [/quote] pretty sure its just the metal oxidizing. i get the same thing sometimes too if i leave my hookah sit after use for a bit. [/quote] so basically the green with white dots is rust as well. It seems that it isnt really an answer to how bad it is to smoking with that sort of issue even though it jsut seems that ill need ot get a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikefu Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Well, the green and white is probably rust if youre [b]sure that part of the stem is aluminum,[/b] but if it's not, then its mold. I wouldn't risk it. I wouldn't smoke it until you really really clean it and see if the discoloration comes off. The last thing you want is to get some sort of mold induced pneumonia or worse cause you were sucking on a moldy hookah. Clean it, assess, then decide if its fit to smoke. It probably tastes like butt in this condition anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjie613 Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 [quote name='Mikefu' date='14 August 2010 - 07:48 PM' timestamp='1281840510' post='478932'] Well, the green and white is probably rust if youre [b]sure that part of the stem is aluminum,[/b] but if it's not, then its mold. I wouldn't risk it. I wouldn't smoke it until you really really clean it and see if the discoloration comes off. The last thing you want is to get some sort of mold induced pneumonia or worse cause you were sucking on a moldy hookah. Clean it, assess, then decide if its fit to smoke. It probably tastes like butt in this condition anyway. [/quote] this is what the website has on the description of it Base: Screw on Acrylic & Metal Base Stem: Solid Brass Plated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikefu Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 If its brass, then green and white is how it tarnishes, the brass version of rust. There must be something rusting also, as the tarnish wouldn't turn your water orange. Just clean it up good, get it polished and shiny, and inspect it for where the rust is coming from. Then try it out, and if your water turns orange again, give up on it. If you do smoke it, it probably won't kill you though, just taste yucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhineholt Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Maybe the juices are leaking from the bowl to the water, which discolors the water. it would also seem like it when you wash the stem because sometimes the juices are hard to get out. but, you said it happens no matter how many times you rinse it... sooo, prolly rust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjie613 Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 best way of doing intense cleaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikefu Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 As I said earlier, a stem brush, soap and even some table salt on internal pieces. The salt helps abrade the rust off. Just don't use it on the outside cause it can scratch your finish. Hookah-shisha I know sell a hookah cleaning solution also. Take it all apart and clean each piece individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhineholt Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 [quote name='Mikefu' date='15 August 2010 - 10:04 AM' timestamp='1281884647' post='478977'] As I said earlier, a stem brush, soap and even some table salt on internal pieces. The salt helps abrade the rust off. Just don't use it on the outside cause it can scratch your finish. Hookah-shisha I know sell a hookah cleaning solution also. Take it all apart and clean each piece individually. [/quote] I would highly suggest not using soap. The soap residue sticks in the hookah and leaves a taste. You have to wash it a whoooole bunch of times before the taste actually goes away... Instead, you can use lemon juice, vodka, or limes. I've been using lemon and limes and I have perfectly clean hookahs. In fact, they need cleaning... Use a stem brush too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjie613 Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 just cleaned for an hour with stem brush baking soda and lemon juice and it actually got way cleaner and didnt color the water the second i hit it up..it still has rust which ill post some pics for evaluation..also i must say it does have a bit of an "off" taste now that im smokin it a bit.....dont really know what to think of that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 For REALLY clean get a metal gun cleaning brush. The long handles on those will work on most long stems. The greenish goo isn't unusual with any hookah, something to do with a reaction to the molasses etc and the metal of the hookah. Stargates are notorious for rusting/corroding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjie613 Posted August 15, 2010 Author Share Posted August 15, 2010 [quote name='mushrat' date='15 August 2010 - 10:18 AM' timestamp='1281892685' post='478990'] For REALLY clean get a metal gun cleaning brush. The long handles on those will work on most long stems. The greenish goo isn't unusual with any hookah, something to do with a reaction to the molasses etc and the metal of the hookah. Stargates are notorious for rusting/corroding. [/quote] so what is ur opinion on smoking with the rust on..also the stem part thats in the water is showing signs of rust..how long is "good" until its time to bury it!? or will a new stem just do it!? not sure what the best move is.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhineholt Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 [quote name='benjie613' date='15 August 2010 - 12:23 PM' timestamp='1281893010' post='478993'] [quote name='mushrat' date='15 August 2010 - 10:18 AM' timestamp='1281892685' post='478990'] For REALLY clean get a metal gun cleaning brush. The long handles on those will work on most long stems. The greenish goo isn't unusual with any hookah, something to do with a reaction to the molasses etc and the metal of the hookah. Stargates are notorious for rusting/corroding. [/quote] so what is ur opinion on smoking with the rust on..also the stem part thats in the water is showing signs of rust..how long is "good" until its time to bury it!? or will a new stem just do it!? not sure what the best move is.. [/quote] honestly, just get a new one... but not another stargate. why get something you know will just rust again in a year? if you don't want to break the bank, just settle for a mya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainUM Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 couldn't agree more with rhineholt^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venger Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I am no Dr. But I am pretty sure the rust will not hurt you. Its just iron oxide. Anything that flakes off will be trapped by the water. As long as its still air tight you should be fine. It could alter the taste of your smoke so that parts up to you. Also a little sand paper might do the trick. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Hamilton Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 (edited) [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v413/123Gone/Junk/clr1.jpg[/img] this and the gun barrel (c/o mushrat) cleaner should work...sounds like you really love that thing (rinse well) Edited August 16, 2010 by Josh Hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjie613 Posted August 18, 2010 Author Share Posted August 18, 2010 [attachment=5064:Picture 33.png] ok so the rust that i have that is orange im aware of but i dont know if that greenish/whitish stuff inside is rust too..it does scare me a bit..so if anyone knows anything about it or can recognize it and help me that would be great! Sorry for bad quality of pic but the allowed upload size is just so small here that i had to recap it several times! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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