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Gixxer: ah, but the point being made here is not about his service. No one has complained about that, and aren't likely when he gives away hookahs if there's a problem or delay.  The question being raised here, and a problem we've had often in the past, is when the retailer starts posting or has people who work for them, post favorable, great, astounding, wonderful, reviews about that retailer. Or when they have someone who works for them come on and start talking about these great porducts on a site they "stumbled" onto while surfing woithout disclosing their affiliation.
Thats whats at issue here with PYH. Its the sudden appearence of positively glowing reviews by someone who's never posted before, hasn't posted since on any other topic, and just when people were starting to ask questions. So feel free to order soemthing from him, you'll likely get good service and all sorts of free goodies, but it won't answer the REAL question at hand....
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Alarming or not, the only way to really see what's going on is to find out for yourself.  This goes for all the new, up and coming companies, for whatever product they may be selling.  Everyone has to start at the bottom and work their way up.  I guess I see things in a different light.  I like to give beginners a chance to grow in the business world.  I always find myself ordering things from new companies, whether they're little accessories for my car or my bike, and it's funny how those companies eventually end up "blowing up" so to speak, and taking over.  Hating gets us nowhere, experience is what makes a review legit.
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Gixxer:
How do you propose to establish the legitimacy of the Original Poster? How will ordering soemthing yourself resolve the real issue, which again isn't the service, but The posting of the original review by Abd. Remember, you'll have ot order soemthing that is delayed and get a really nice Mya hookah as a free gift to put PYH to a true test...and he can't know its a test btw....
How can you show it isn't the PYH's employee, self, friend, etc? Id say there isn't a real way, but it would sure help the issue if Abd was a bit more active...
As for small vendors, [url="http://www.hookahelite.com"]www.hookahelite.com[/url] had a rough start on the forum, but the several positive postings by established members has done them far more good than any free MYA to a stranger because of a delayed shipment and a "hookah lottery".
also, the companies that start small and "blow up" end up often becoming the types of companies they origianlly set out to offer an alternative TO. Opening themselves up to the next little guy, and so on....
BTW: asking questions and expressing doubts isn't HATE. It's just healthy questioning of what we are told and see. Your SUPPOSED to question things that don't seem quite....right. If YOU don't, i have some nice waterfront real estate in Fla. I'd be willing to let you have, good price.
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I understand that the question here is the legitimacy of the post that was made, but if customers can't even review something without being accused of lying or working for someone, then I think you need to re-evaluate the way you live your life by always accusing instead of inquiring about something.  Maybe talk to the people you question and get an idea of who they are, etc etc before smashing them.  I never said that asking questions was hate, but the things said in this forum don't necessarily represent normal questions sometimes.  It seems like there's a bit of animosity between competitors, somewhat like a presidential election. Only the items are hookahs, and the importance is to a much much less degree.  I choose to live my life in a positive way, and to promote growth of other people, businesses, kids, etc.  It's always great to start with an open mind about something until you're proven wrong.  Well, at least that's how I see it.  Whether or not Pimp Your Hookah is legit, it's something that will show in time, as it has with the other websites you've mentioned, but I don't think future customers should be pushed away from such companies by the posters in this forum.
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Listen, my first dealings with Billy was on that saturday night.  Elite, I have an account with both TheHookah and SocialSmoke which I've bought other stuff since this spring.  I can email you invoices if you'd like?  I posted this message because of what was done for me, not because I work for him.This is my first post, but I've had an account I've logged on and read under which is al Hadi... that account I've had for a while now but haven't posted because a friend of mine told me to use al Hadi without abd in front is wrong.  Anyway, like Pimp said you can give me a call if you like and ask me any questions you want.  PM me.  Mushrat, I PMed you one time if I could get your free samples listed in the Wyteboy thread under al Hadi, but you never replied... check for it if you want.
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gixxer girl, you seem awefully supporting of PYH...SHES ONE OF THEM!!!!! lol
id just like to say kudos to PYH. ive always supported them. i remember a week or so ago when the thread came up bashing the site about it being unprofessional, i was there pointing out how its actually not unprofessional, its just personal, which is what i prefer. i like PYH, ive never ordered from there, but it gives you the feeling your dealing with someone in a similar situation as you. someone who is just trying to help out hte hookah community in anyway possible. If somehting goes wrong along the way with my order from any website, i would much rather speak to the down-to-earth business owner like PYH, rather than some representative of customer support team.
Kudos PYH!! and keep it up.
even if it it false and a big bunch of bull, it was still quite clever
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Listen, I don't know what I can do to prove it to any of you.  I'm a little sickened by everyones reaction.  Don't you think if PYH had some thing to do with a scam like that, he'd be smart enough to give the hookah to someone well established on the forums?  He could have given it to Cymptom who is an established member... or don't you think he'd have me at least post a few reviews or something like that first?  I'm not suprised that it came from Elite since he was so eager to attack PYH about his Al Fakher prices...  I guess it's hard being a new start up company when another comes along.  I know it's hard to understand, but now I'm going to buy all my ma'saal from him, and if he only spent $55 on the hookah, you can be pretty sure with the amount I smoke that it'll pay for itself in a year.  Like I said, I don't know how I can prove it to you all, but what I said is geniune.  Just think about it... if someone was going to do a scam, they would have done alot more work at it, don't you think?
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abd al hadi: calm down man, seriously, you're not doing any favours by taking the bait. let people think what they want to think, you know, PYH knows and i think that it's not a scam. your best of jsut leaving this thread to ferment into nothingness. why keep the digs against PYH at the top of the forum?
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al hadi:  Why do you keep addressing Elite?  He hasn't been
involved in this conversation at all.  Nor did he participate in
any attacks on PYH's Al Fahkar prices.

I didn't even participate in any bashing of PYH's Al Fahkar prices.

Please don't try and turn this around into an Elite bashing session. 

You sure have a lot of specific information about PYH's discussions on
this thread.  If it's not true, then why is everyone getting so
upset about it?

Notice when Hookah Pimp is here, al hadi is not and vice versa. 
Where's Clark Kent?  Superman!  (I'll expect a simultaneous
appearance now).
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Now I'm convinced it's a conspiracy. 
I've seen PYH make a post, get a few sour comments, and then proceed to get extremely upset and post a heated reply.  "abd al Hadi"'s behavior and language is strikingly similar.  Now, add that to the fact that this thread constituted his first post, the hookah he "received" was an expensive MYA (not a $5 chinese made "light up" hookah), and the general fishyness of his post and his later post (mentioning crymptom), I am satisfied in concluding this whole thing to be bullshyte. 
If an established board member places an order from PYH and happens to receive that same (or equivalent) MYA for free, I'll gladly eat my words. But until then, its a conspiracy I tell you. 
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But in regards to your superman analogy Clark Kent and super man are the same person but they have 2 very distinct personalities that’s the point of having a secret Identity Clark is weak and clumsy, and superman never lies strong and caring.(well I guess I wouldn’t mind being superman) And to finally prove what is going on I have contacted cympton and I will send him a mya as well when he completes his order because this is absolutely ridicules on what your are doing all of you if you don’t believe it don’t, if you do believe it then do. Like I said in the past I have no reason to profit off of you consumers.  So feel free to hookah bash all you want because there is not reason to prove my self to any of you. As I said I have made a deal with cymptom and if he completes it this gold mya hookah sitting in my office is his end of story. I would love to send you all one but after all this F***k that!
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Pimp, you're a new vendor, you can't get upset when people question you, your site, or your business. That's part of starting out.  Also, your comment of "there is no reason for me to prove myself to any of you"   is absurd as well; at this stage, that is ALL you should be worried about, if you're trying to get up and running.
It's frustarting as a potential customer to see a vendor be unprofessional (i.e. "F - that" , and referring to us as "you consumers"
I don't know what business model you're using, but businesses go out of business when they don't make profits.  For you to say that you have no reason to make a profit from your customers makes no sense..
I like AF shisha, and you have great prices.. However, at this point, I'll spend a couple extra dollars elsewhere in exchange for professionalism.
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Wow. This is almost as absurd as when genuinehookahs from eBay came over here calling us morons.PYH, regardless of the validity of the post in question, you have acted extremely unprofessionally.I was actually considering purchasing from your site before this thread- however I believe many of the regulars(and new guys for that matter) on this board have been turned off by your actions.The, "I dont need to make a profit" approach to business isnt exactly an ideal one.
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I typed out this big long post......
but twice it got erased.......... so PH*CK it........
Hookah enthusiasts are skeptics becasue we are constantly dodging: cheats, fakes, "the old bait and switch", not getting anything as pictured, shipping rackets.......... long list actually.
When we hear of particularly "neat" things happening like this, the wrning bells go off.
So.... we have grown to be skeptics. Reputable dealers now have that to deal with as result. It must be very frustrating.
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No offense to anyone:Abd al hadi, your first post ever was about some free hookah. Pretty suspicious. Your IP address could be very different if you guys are friends or business partners.Gixxer Girl: Magically you put up 14 posts in one day, right after this ugly thread starts. Most new people put up one or two innoculous posts without jumping into things...you see, you could be under suspicion, too. I have actually no animosity towards any retailers here. Ultimately, there is only one currency of credibility on the Hookah Forum, time and experience. People who have been around six, eight months, innoculously posting gain some credit. People who have been around a month, a week, a day or two have none. The reason is, the greedy retailer who steals, misrepresents and cheats has no patience to set people up slowly for six, eight months (for the most part). There is an old Japanese Proverb: "The nail that sticks up gets hammered down."I have no doubt that Elitehookah.com, pimpyourhookah.com and all others concerned are just in the middle of a big misunderstanding*. Lets step back, stop making accusations and breathe a little.*Misunderstanding-When one or more people are wrong, but nobody can sort out who IS wrong.I feel cold. Mushy, hold me...I'm cold and I'm scared.  Bubba? Please help us.
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In response to an earlier post, no I am not "one of them".  How old is the person that posted that, 12? Grow up.  And just for your information, I've ordered shisha from many different websites and have accounts with socialsmoke, hookah-shisha, etc etc. So don't act like I'm sitting here only promoting the pimp, I'm trying to get the point across that the activity that takes place in this forum closely represents things that take place in the 5th grade.  For anyone who is an adult in this forum, it's embarassing for you to act so childish.  It's about time to mature yourselves.
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