New Small Hookah

[jan019]

Hello,

I am new to this forum and actually quite new to hookah. I have smoked my first hookah about a year ago and i really liked it, but it was at a hookah bar where it was damn expensive so i didn't go there from that time. However a have had hookah with my friends about 5 times, so in total i guess i have had about 6 hookahs in my life, but never have i prepared one myself. For a long time i have been thinking about buying one, but i wanted a small, portable and cheap one. Fortunately I stumbled upon one exactly like that and so i bought it. I haven't smoked it yet and i would like to ask some question first.
It's really a small hookah about 20 cm high, has a small hose about 20 cm long and very thin probably not even 1 cm. Also a very small ceramic bowl, i think maybe 4-5 cm in diameter. And so i would like to ask if you think, that i can get some good smoke(or as i read somewhere vapor) from it. I think the hookah itself will be ok, but maybe the hose will be to small, what do you guys think? As i said it's my first hookah and so i don't have any experience with preparing it. I have watched probably all of the videos on youtube about hookah preparing, packing, etc., but i am still not sure about something.
1. Should i put the aluminum foil facing shinny side up or down?
2. What aluminum foil pattern would probably be best for such a small hookah? I have got quick light coals.
3. How can i get my smoke the thickest? I heard about adding milk, but i hate the taste of milk, so i don't wanna put that in their...
4. And how much water should i put in my vase?

Well i guess that's all i wanted to ask. Thanks, Cya.

[Travis]

[quote name='jan019' timestamp='1285975363' post='483740']
Hello,

I am new to this forum and actually quite new to hookah. I have smoked my first hookah about a year ago and i really liked it, but it was at a hookah bar where it was damn expensive so i didn't go there from that time. However a have had hookah with my friends about 5 times, so in total i guess i have had about 6 hookahs in my life, but never have i prepared one myself. For a long time i have been thinking about buying one, but i wanted a small, portable and cheap one. Fortunately I stumbled upon one exactly like that and so i bought it. I haven't smoked it yet and i would like to ask some question first.
It's really a small hookah about 20 cm high, has a small hose about 20 cm long and very thin probably not even 1 cm. Also a very small ceramic bowl, i think maybe 4-5 cm in diameter. And so i would like to ask if you think, that i can get some good smoke(or as i read somewhere vapor) from it. I think the hookah itself will be ok, but maybe the hose will be to small, what do you guys think? As i said it's my first hookah and so i don't have any experience with preparing it. I have watched probably all of the videos on youtube about hookah preparing, packing, etc., but i am still not sure about something.
1. Should i put the aluminum foil facing shinny side up or down?
2. What aluminum foil pattern would probably be best for such a small hookah? I have got quick light coals.
3. How can i get my smoke the thickest? I heard about adding milk, but i hate the taste of milk, so i don't wanna put that in their...
4. And how much water should i put in my vase?

Well i guess that's all i wanted to ask. Thanks, Cya.
[/quote]

Hey welcome to the forum,

1. Honestly, shiny side up or down doesn't matter contrary to popular belief.....somehow the shiny side up/down debate was started a long time ago.
2. As far as hole pattern goes, again doesnt really matter as long as you are getting sufficient airflow through your bowl into the chamber. If it draws like a pencil, you have enough holes,...but if the draw is restrictive then that means you need to add more holes, so on and so forth.
3.The sure fire way to getting the thickest whitest clouds is...............more tobacco, more heat. Get yourself a bigger bowl (phunnel is my personal choice) and load it full, and throw it as much heat as it can handle. (some people may say that the bigger the rig, the bigger the clouds. This isn't true, many people here, including myself, can get huge billowing clouds from a 13" mya qt as well as a 30" Km)
4. And the water level should be around 1"-1 1/2" above your downstem.


Well, hoped that helped you out a bit, if you have any other questions, feel free to ask! Between all of us we should be able to help you out with whatever problems you may have.

[Arcane]

1. Doesn't matter

2. Doesn't matter

3. Work on heat management. Add as much heat as possible without burning. Using more tobacco helps too.

4. Varies on what you consider good. Common answer is 1 inche above the bottom of the downstem. I put as much as I can without having the water bubble into the hose port.

[ezxen]

[quote name='Travis' timestamp='1285978276' post='483745']
Hey welcome to the forum,

1. Honestly, shiny side up or down doesn't matter contrary to popular belief.....somehow the shiny side up/down debate was started a long time ago.
2. As far as hole pattern goes, again doesnt really matter as long as you are getting sufficient airflow through your bowl into the chamber. If it draws like a pencil, you have enough holes,...but if the draw is restrictive then that means you need to add more holes, so on and so forth.
3.The sure fire way to getting the thickest whitest clouds is...............more tobacco, more heat. Get yourself a bigger bowl (phunnel is my personal choice) and load it full, and throw it as much heat as it can handle. (some people may say that the bigger the rig, the bigger the clouds. This isn't true, many people here, including myself, can get huge billowing clouds from a 13" mya qt as well as a 30" Km)
4. And the water level should be around 1"-1 1/2" above your downstem.


Well, hoped that helped you out a bit, if you have any other questions, feel free to ask! Between all of us we should be able to help you out with whatever problems you may have.
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[quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1285978415' post='483746']
1. Doesn't matter

2. Doesn't matter

3. Work on heat management. Add as much heat as possible without burning. Using more tobacco helps too.

4. Varies on what you consider good. Common answer is 1 inche above the bottom of the downstem. I put as much as I can without having the water bubble into the hose port.
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ditto. IVe gotten bigger clouds out of a my buddys qt than i have my mya artoo Edited October 2, 2010 by INCUBUSRATM
Fixed Quote.

[jan019]

Hi, thanks for the info guys :-) I was asking about witch side of the foil should be down, because some people said that one side keeps the heat better inside the bowl or something like that, but i guess it's not so true... Yeah i thought about getting a bigger bowl, i probably will. But still i am not sure if the tiny, very thin and short hose wont be a problem, what do you guys think? And just a side question. How does the phunnel bowl work? I know how it looks, but i just don't understand how you get the smoke(or vapor), shouldn't the air first go throught the tobaco before entering a hole witch leads it into the vase and so on? As far as i see, it immediatley goes into the hole and doesn't go through the tobacco, with the scalli mod i understand, because there it has to go through the tobacco before entering the hole,but without it i am just confused. Cya

[Epoch]

You won't regret getting a larger hose, trust me. I prefer the Nammor hose.
As for the phunnel bowls, they work perfectly fine without a scalli mod.

[jan019]

Hi, so yesterday i tried my little hookah, and it worked great :-)). I was really surprised how well it worked, great thick smoke, although obviously not to much in volume, because of the small bowl, but really thick and smooth! Three of us were smoking it and it lasted us about 10 minutes, witch i think is not bad at all for such a tiny bowl. But we packed 5 bowls and it becomes a pain in the a** changing it so often. But otherwise a great little thing :-) I was really thinking of buying a new bowl and hose(because this one hose is very small and stiff), but when i come to think of it, i guess it will be better to buy a new hookah. This little one cost me 150 crowns(that's about 8 US dollars) and if i would buy a new bowl that would cost me about 6 US dollars and a new hose about 8 US dollars, that makes cca 14 US dollars and i would buy a whole new hookah for that money. Plus as you can see in the attached image the hose has some kind of different end than the normal ones do. So the conclusion is that i will probably stay with this little one, until i get some cash, then i will buy a new one .

PS: Check the images i attached, i also put a normal sized lighter next to it so you can see how approximately big(or should i say small ) it is.

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[Arcane]

thats probably the best looking pumpkin hookah i've seen....

just keep an eye out for rust in a couple months....

[momentum]

Wow for $8 nice...and you can get a new better one for $14?
I've been gettin ripped off:blum2:

[jan019]

[quote name='momentum' timestamp='1286133895' post='483842']
Wow for $8 nice...and you can get a new better one for $14?
I've been gettin ripped off:blum2:
[/quote]

yep ofc i can, i guess here in my country they are cheaper than in the US or Canada :-). But the damn tobacco is expensive like shi*! The tobacco costs 8 dollars, so i could buy a new hookah for a 50g pack of tobacco O.o

[jan019]

Hi again, today i was surfing the internet and came across a triple head hookah bowl, witch looks really cool and i think that if you burn them all at once that has to be so much smoke!! But i never saw it before so is there something bad about them or why don't people use them a lot? Here's the link:
http://www.hookah-shisha.com/p-1371-triple-head-hookah-bowl.html:
Please tell me your opinion on it, thanks :-)

[IainUM]

the triple-bowl thing is not worth using or buying. you can just mix flavors together in one bowl and get the same experience only with 1/3rd of the coals and tobacco used. it will make the same amount of smoke as single heads. it's all about the amount of air you can pull through it, not really the amount of tobacco so much. i wouldn't buy it

[jan019]

[quote name='IainUM' timestamp='1286210136' post='483910']
the triple-bowl thing is not worth using or buying. you can just mix flavors together in one bowl and get the same experience only with 1/3rd of the coals and tobacco used. it will make the same amount of smoke as single heads. it's all about the amount of air you can pull through it, not really the amount of tobacco so much. i wouldn't buy it
[/quote]

I thought that it looks to good and that i probably will have some bug. So i guess getting a normal bigger bowl is way better huh? Thanks

[momentum]

Definitely do not buy that triple head bowl. Ever.
Or a double, or anything more than one.

You only need a good normal bowl and it will outsmoke any double/triple/whatever head bowl.

[Travis]

[quote name='momentum' timestamp='1286229171' post='483927']
Definitely do not buy that triple head bowl. Ever.
Or a double, or anything more than one.

You only need a good normal bowl and it will outsmoke any double/triple/whatever head bowl.
[/quote]

Ya, those novelty bowls arent worth it.
Pick up a good sized egyptian bowl or a phunnel bowl and that should do it.

[jan019]

[quote name='Travis' timestamp='1286386474' post='484154']
[quote name='momentum' timestamp='1286229171' post='483927']
Definitely do not buy that triple head bowl. Ever.
Or a double, or anything more than one.

You only need a good normal bowl and it will outsmoke any double/triple/whatever head bowl.
[/quote]

Ya, those novelty bowls arent worth it.
Pick up a good sized egyptian bowl or a phunnel bowl and that should do it.
[/quote]

Hi guys, thanks for all the info. I have made my decision that i will buy a new hookah. The main reason is because the bowl is really tiny and it last no more than 10 minutes and buying a new bowl would cost me more than a brand new hookah, as i already said before. And also the hose is very stiff and that sucks, so i am looking forward to buying a new one :-). I have already bought new tobacco Nakhla Double Apple, witch i heard has a very good flavor. What do you think?
I wanted to ask one more question. I have got these coals :
http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/ShishaLite_Long_Burning_Charcoal_Tablets.cfm?iProductID=2071 : and every time i light them they stay good for about 3 mins, but then when i want to move them around the bowl so my shisha burns evenly they just fall apart and all the ashes all into my bowl and totally mess up my flavor! So i wanted to ask if it's this brand of coals that sucks or if all quick-lights do this? Thanks

[jan019]

Hi, so yesterday i smoked my ''baby'' hookah with the Nakhla Double Apple tobacco. In the beginning i was scared of burning the tobacco so i put on only a little bit of the coal on, but i had almost no smoke so i added some more coal. Then i had really good smoke, but i don't know, there just wasn't any flavor and the smoked seemed kind of harsh, not much only a bit. Now i don't know if this is how it should be or if i set it up badly. The smoke was thick, but it just wasn't smooth, it had no flavor and was a little harsh. And also sometimes the smoke was quite warm in my mouth, although i had cold water and ice in the bowl. Could this be because the stem is so short? I checked so much videos on the net on how to pack the bowl and i get thiscrap out of my hookah. But to be honest i hope i set it up bad this time, because it really sucked balls! Please guys tell me what was i doing wrong. I packed the bowl loosley only packed it a bit, the coal was a quicklight, and my bowl is as big as one whole quick-light so i have to break them up, and this time i put a quarter on the bowl, but it wasn't enough so i put half a coal and then the smoke was thick, but as i said a little harsh and totally without flavor. Oh yeah and the tobacco was new, opened a minute before smoking so it wasn't dry. Thanks

[ezxen]

[quote name='jan019' timestamp='1287827721' post='485997']
Hi, so yesterday i smoked my ''baby'' hookah with the Nakhla Double Apple tobacco. In the beginning i was scared of burning the tobacco so i put on only a little bit of the coal on, but i had almost no smoke so i added some more coal. Then i had really good smoke, but i don't know, there just wasn't any flavor and the smoked seemed kind of harsh, not much only a bit. Now i don't know if this is how it should be or if i set it up badly. The smoke was thick, but it just wasn't smooth, it had no flavor and was a little harsh. And also sometimes the smoke was quite warm in my mouth, although i had cold water and ice in the bowl. Could this be because the stem is so short? I checked so much videos on the net on how to pack the bowl and i get thiscrap out of my hookah. But to be honest i hope i set it up bad this time, because it really sucked balls! Please guys tell me what was i doing wrong. I packed the bowl loosley only packed it a bit, the coal was a quicklight, and my bowl is as big as one whole quick-light so i have to break them up, and this time i put a quarter on the bowl, but it wasn't enough so i put half a coal and then the smoke was thick, but as i said a little harsh and totally without flavor. Oh yeah and the tobacco was new, opened a minute before smoking so it wasn't dry. Thanks
[/quote]
Might be from the hookah being small. Oumkin hookah with a bigger base gives smother smoke than it's normal small base . I smoked a pumpkin hookah with a actual pumpkin base smoke was smoother .not as smooth as my I'm but smoother . Also smoked from one of those super tiny hookahs and the smoke was hars as shit

[Chreees]

[quote name='jan019' timestamp='1287766244' post='485941']
Hi guys, thanks for all the info. I have made my decision that i will buy a new hookah. The main reason is because the bowl is really tiny and it last no more than 10 minutes and buying a new bowl would cost me more than a brand new hookah, as i already said before. And also the hose is very stiff and that sucks, so i am looking forward to buying a new one :-). I have already bought new tobacco Nakhla Double Apple, witch i heard has a very good flavor. What do you think?
I wanted to ask one more question. I have got these coals :
[url="http://www.everyonedoesit.com/online_headshop/ShishaLite_Long_Burning_Charcoal_Tablets.cfm?iProductID=2071"]http://www.everyoned...iProductID=2071[/url] : and every time i light them they stay good for about 3 mins, but then when i want to move them around the bowl so my shisha burns evenly they just fall apart and all the ashes all into my bowl and totally mess up my flavor! So i wanted to ask if it's this brand of coals that sucks or if all quick-lights do this? Thanks
[/quote]

I'm not sure how a bowl can cost you more than a new hookah. Nakhla Double Apple is a good flavor, but it isn't for everybody. I personally am not a fan of the anise flavor. Never seen those coals before, but from what it sounds like, they suck. I'd get some new coals- a better, trusted brand. My favorite are Coconara, Al Fakher, Golden Canaries, and Exoticas for naturals. If you MUST have quicklights, then CH (We can't spell out the name here) QLs are the only ones I can recommend for you. Here's the link since we can't say the name due to drug connotations: http://hookahjohn.com/CHRONIC-HOOKAH-INSTANT-Lite-1-kilo-COAL-015.htm

[quote name='jan019' timestamp='1287827721' post='485997']
Hi, so yesterday i smoked my ''baby'' hookah with the Nakhla Double Apple tobacco. In the beginning i was scared of burning the tobacco so i put on only a little bit of the coal on, but i had almost no smoke so i added some more coal. Then i had really good smoke, but i don't know, there just wasn't any flavor and the smoked seemed kind of harsh, not much only a bit. Now i don't know if this is how it should be or if i set it up badly. The smoke was thick, but it just wasn't smooth, it had no flavor and was a little harsh. And also sometimes the smoke was quite warm in my mouth, although i had cold water and ice in the bowl. Could this be because the stem is so short? I checked so much videos on the net on how to pack the bowl and i get thiscrap out of my hookah. But to be honest i hope i set it up bad this time, because it really sucked balls! Please guys tell me what was i doing wrong. I packed the bowl loosley only packed it a bit, the coal was a quicklight, and my bowl is as big as one whole quick-light so i have to break them up, and this time i put a quarter on the bowl, but it wasn't enough so i put half a coal and then the smoke was thick, but as i said a little harsh and totally without flavor. Oh yeah and the tobacco was new, opened a minute before smoking so it wasn't dry. Thanks
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1. You need a new hookah. Get a Mya, Khalil Mamoon, Nour, Al Nawras, Temsah, just SOMETHING other than a little pumpkin hookah. Those pumpkins are notorious for sucking.
2. Make sure you completely break up the shisha into a tupperware tub. REALLY break it up as finely as you can, spread it around. Get it all mixed up good. Then place it into your bowl (don't sprinkle for Nak) up to the rim of the bowl. Or you can sprinkle it in a little bit ABOVE the rim, and then press it down with your palm so that it is flush with the rim. Apply foil tightly. Poke holes all over the damn place. Like, everywhere. Using a toothpick. Make sure to go all the way to the bottom of the bowl. Once done, turn it over and blow through the stem of the bowl, to make sure the holes are clear. Place bowl on hookah.
3. Apply FULLY lit coal onto bowl. If you're using a disc-like quicklight, break that sucker in half. Put each half on opposite edges of the bowl. Remember, the two coal halves do NOT love each other. They hate each other and wish to be as far from each other as possible. Hell, hang 'em off the edge a bit. They hate each other that much. Rotate coal halves every 5 minutes or so. Whatever you do, don't just plop a coal in the middle of the bowl.

Hope this helps. Report back.

[Travis]

[quote name='jan019' timestamp='1287827721' post='485997']
Hi, so yesterday i smoked my ''baby'' hookah with the Nakhla Double Apple tobacco. In the beginning i was scared of burning the tobacco so i put on only a little bit of the coal on, but i had almost no smoke so i added some more coal. Then i had really good smoke, but i don't know, there just wasn't any flavor and the smoked seemed kind of harsh, not much only a bit. Now i don't know if this is how it should be or if i set it up badly. The smoke was thick, but it just wasn't smooth, it had no flavor and was a little harsh. And also sometimes the smoke was quite warm in my mouth, although i had cold water and ice in the bowl. Could this be because the stem is so short? I checked so much videos on the net on how to pack the bowl and i get thiscrap out of my hookah. But to be honest i hope i set it up bad this time, because it really sucked balls! Please guys tell me what was i doing wrong. I packed the bowl loosley only packed it a bit, the coal was a quicklight, and my bowl is as big as one whole quick-light so i have to break them up, and this time i put a quarter on the bowl, but it wasn't enough so i put half a coal and then the smoke was thick, but as i said a little harsh and totally without flavor. Oh yeah and the tobacco was new, opened a minute before smoking so it wasn't dry. Thanks
[/quote]

For your setup, and what your describing is happening, it sounds like you need to add more tobacco. Nakhla likes heat, so add more in the bowl. Sounds wrong I know, but add more than you normally would when your dealing with Nakhla. Just make sure you have sufficient airflow. Break your coals up like you have been, and put them on the bowl. See what that does for you.


People will tell you that its because of your hookah, which is partially true, but I've gotten pumpkins to smoke great. It's all about figuring the pipe out. Trial and error.

[jan019]

Thanks for all the info! It's really helpful to me.
INCUBUSRATM@ I will get new coals for sure, these ones really suck. And thanks for the info, it's good to know whats specific to packing Nakhla :-) And yeah i am getting a new hookah as i already said in a earlier post, because this one is not too good, i just wanted to be sure that a better hookah can make a big difference.
Travis@ I will try adding more heat I guess i could get more out of this small hookah, but i am buying a new one because this one has a very bad hose, it gosts like shit and i can't buy new parts for this hookah, it has a strange end. Thanks

Thanks for the info guys, i will post back on Monday or Tuesday when i get a new hookah :-)


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[Travis]

[quote name='jan019' timestamp='1287843246' post='486006']
Thanks for all the info! It's really helpful to me.
INCUBUSRATM@ I will get new coals for sure, these ones really suck. And thanks for the info, it's good to know whats specific to packing Nakhla :-) And yeah i am getting a new hookah as i already said in a earlier post, because this one is not too good, i just wanted to be sure that a better hookah can make a big difference.
Travis@ I will try adding more heat I guess i could get more out of this small hookah, but i am buying a new one because this one has a very bad hose, it gosts like shit and i can't buy new parts for this hookah, it has a strange end. Thanks

Thanks for the info guys, i will post back on Monday or Tuesday when i get a new hookah :-)


[b] [/b]

[/quote]

Make sure you add more tobacco than you normally would, or your going to scorch that bowl my friend.

[jan019]

[quote name='Travis' timestamp='1287843660' post='486007']
[quote name='jan019' timestamp='1287843246' post='486006']
Thanks for all the info! It's really helpful to me.
INCUBUSRATM@ I will get new coals for sure, these ones really suck. And thanks for the info, it's good to know whats specific to packing Nakhla :-) And yeah i am getting a new hookah as i already said in a earlier post, because this one is not too good, i just wanted to be sure that a better hookah can make a big difference.
Travis@ I will try adding more heat I guess i could get more out of this small hookah, but i am buying a new one because this one has a very bad hose, it gosts like shit and i can't buy new parts for this hookah, it has a strange end. Thanks

Thanks for the info guys, i will post back on Monday or Tuesday when i get a new hookah :-)


[b] [/b]

[/quote]

Make sure you add more tobacco than you normally would, or your going to scorch that bowl my friend.
[/quote]


I surelly will ;-) . I have yet another quiestion. As i said i am going to buy a new hookah, but i am not from the USA a am from Czech republic and so the shipping woud be to fuc*ing expensive. So i will buy some from my country. I don't want to go higher than 25 US $. I found these brands in my country, so please help me chose witch one should be the best : 1) Aladin, 2) TopMark, 3) King Hookah, 4) MYA(but these are really expensive so i don't think i am going with MYA, but if this one is the best please tell me).
I guess i am going to go with either Aladin or TopMark, they look good, i like the classical looking hookahs rather than modern desing and they are the most sold brands here.

[Travis]

Aladin rings a bell, but I couldn't tell you anything about it.
Never heard of the others except MYA.
MYA is a highly respected brand, and I can confidently say that it's the best out of what you listed.
[url="http://hookahjohn.com/Mya-Petite-PURPLE-Hookah-0006.htm"]This[/url] may be small, but trust me, its a very good quality hookah thats relatively inexpensive. John can work out the shipping for you if you email him. His info is on the site that I linked.

[jan019]

[quote name='Travis' timestamp='1287876353' post='486043']
Aladin rings a bell, but I couldn't tell you anything about it.
Never heard of the others except MYA.
MYA is a highly respected brand, and I can confidently say that it's the best out of what you listed.
[url="http://hookahjohn.com/Mya-Petite-PURPLE-Hookah-0006.htm"]This[/url] may be small, but trust me, its a very good quality hookah thats relatively inexpensive. John can work out the shipping for you if you email him. His info is on the site that I linked.

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I don't really know about shipping it from that far, i have to think that out first. But most probably i am going to go check the hookah store tomorrow and see if they got MYA's, if not what other brand would you recommend me, not from the ones i posted, but from all you know? Thanks