Tangiers Acclimation Question

[Anxiety]

Hey all just a random question and looking for some insight. I've searched a few previous tangiers threads, and I have been smoking it off and on for about a year now but I still have the same issue on certain flavors. I'll acclimate it for either a day or two (depending on the flavor) but it will be like half soysauce half the natural flavor. I spread it out pretty well on a sheet of foil and will mix it every 5-6 hours or so.

Recently I got my hands on some F-line passion fruit I've smoked passion fruit in the past and loved the flavor, so I thought the f-line would have a sweet kick to it since I;ve heard amazing things about the F-line. Only problem is I cant get the smell right :/ it smells half right, half soy sauce. I repackaged it and let it sit in a container and tryed to reacclimate it last night but still no dice.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

*edit* Also I live in new jersey so the tempature can be humid at times, and I'm acclimating it in my basebment which is ussualy rather cool* Edited October 6, 2010 by Anxiety

[Miss Crafted]

I actually suggest bumpin the heat up. Tangiers is made in California; hot, humid-ish.
I live in Colorado, Dry as hecks.
To get the soy sauce out of some of my flavors I had to close up the entire house and throw the humidifier on.
The other thing you should do is go to the sight labeled on the package and look at the flavor sheets.
It will tell you the humidity resistance of what you're smoking.
Fair = Needs more time to acclimate
Excellent = Not much time to acclimate

To get Orange Soda smelling right I had to leave it out for over a week.

[ryno]

I usually acclimate mine in the tubs. Long wide and shallow tubs are the best for Tangiers. I'd stir occasionally. I've found with some flavors, they won't smell the best, but they will smoke just fine. Also, you said you're acclimating in your basement, is that where you are smoking too?

[Miss Crafted]

Yeah, that's another thing. Acclimate where you are smoking it. -nods-
Going from the temp and humidity of your basement to, say- your living room will be different.
You'll have to re-acclimate it after this because it could have been subjected to a humidity shock.

[Anxiety]

Hey thanks for the quick reply's, I am acclimating it where I smoke (the basement) and lately our weather has been crazy! wonder if that has something to do with it...been raining off and on and today is sunny and beautiful out...the basement windows are usually closed, but the upstairs back door I leave open so my dog can go in and out as she pleases. like I said sometimes I nail tangiers, other times I can never get it acclimated properly...it actually makes me stay away from certain flavors because I know I can never get it right

[Arcane]

[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286378332' post='484140']
I actually suggest bumpin the heat up. Tangiers is made in California; hot, humid-ish.
I live in Colorado, Dry as hecks.
To get the soy sauce out of some of my flavors I had to close up the entire house and throw the humidifier on.
The other thing you should do is go to the sight labeled on the package and look at the flavor sheets.
It will tell you the humidity resistance of what you're smoking.
Fair = Needs more time to acclimate
Excellent = Not much time to acclimate

To get Orange Soda smelling right I had to leave it out for over a week.
[/quote]
when the hell did San Diego become hot and humid?! we have great weather 90% of the year...

[Voliminal]

[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286378332' post='484140']
I actually suggest bumpin the heat up. Tangiers is made in California; hot, humid-ish.
I live in Colorado, Dry as hecks.
To get the soy sauce out of some of my flavors I had to close up the entire house and throw the humidifier on.
The other thing you should do is go to the sight labeled on the package and look at the flavor sheets.
It will tell you the humidity resistance of what you're smoking.
Fair = Needs more time to acclimate
Excellent = Not much time to acclimate

To get Orange Soda smelling right I had to leave it out for over a week.
[/quote]

And you didn't end up with a dry tobacco?

[Chris K]

i'm curious as to how i should acclimate my tangiers as well....i'm in Columbia, so its humid and hot, and i'll mostly be smoking outside. should i let it acclimate outside?

[Voliminal]

You are supposed to acclimate it wherever you smoke.

[ih303]

Guys, edumicate yourselves:

[quote]Acclimate - Become accustomed to a new climate or to new conditions.[/quote]

You're not trying to re-create the climate of San Diego in your basement, garage, or wherever you acclimate your tobacco, you'r just allowing it to adapt to where YOU'RE at. That said, do your acclimating in the same general place that you're going to smoke.

I'll also throw this out there because it's something that occurred to me. [b]Tangiers is not like other brands so don't expect it to be. It's in a class of it's own and must be treated as such.

[/b]Let me put it this way. Those of you who drink are probably well familiar with the different grades of beer. On one end of the continuum you have your domestics (PBR, Bud Light, Coors, etc.) These beers are generally pretty light and made to appeal to the masses (Think Starbuzz, Fantasia, Fumari, etc.). On the other end, you have your specialty beers - porters, stouts, IPA's, etc. Many of these are microbrews and are generally higher quality. They also have much more pronounced flavor profiles and characteristics.

Now, when you drink a domestic, all you typically get is a generic "beer" flavor varied slightly depending on the brand. But when you get into some of your imports and microbrews, you taste hops, malt, wheat, coriander, etc.

Still with me? Ok. So to draw this all back together, Tangiers is the microbrew of the hookah tobacco world. When you smoke Tangiers Noir, more than likely you will taste the tobacco. If you do not like the flavor of tobacco or consider yourself sensitive to it, Tangiers Noir may not be for you. Still want to smoke Tangiers? Well you have two options: 1) Get Lucid. It's the same flavors without the tobacco undertone or nicotine. 2) Stick to strong Noir flavors such as the Kashmirs, mints and other florals and spices. Remember, the lighter the flavor, the more likely it will taste like tobacco.

Probably more than you were after, but I hope it helps.

[Arcane]

^he's a smart^

[Yasseah]

[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286380204' post='484144']
Yeah, that's another thing. Acclimate where you are smoking it. -nods-
Going from the temp and humidity of your basement to, say- your living room will be different.
You'll have to re-acclimate it after this because it could have been subjected to a humidity shock.
[/quote]

Why does it need to be acclimated? Help straighten a noob out.

I heard it has soy sauce in it, what the hell? Just sounds like a huge pain in the ass to me.

[mavsfan31]

[quote name='Yasseah' timestamp='1286472061' post='484236']
[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286380204' post='484144']
Yeah, that's another thing. Acclimate where you are smoking it. -nods-
Going from the temp and humidity of your basement to, say- your living room will be different.
You'll have to re-acclimate it after this because it could have been subjected to a humidity shock.
[/quote]

Why does it need to be acclimated? Help straighten a noob out.

I heard it has soy sauce in it, what the hell? Just sounds like a huge pain in the ass to me.
[/quote]

It doesn't have soy sauce in it, it just smells of soy sauce when it is not acclimated.

[Arcane]

[quote name='Yasseah' timestamp='1286472061' post='484236']
[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286380204' post='484144']
Yeah, that's another thing. Acclimate where you are smoking it. -nods-
Going from the temp and humidity of your basement to, say- your living room will be different.
You'll have to re-acclimate it after this because it could have been subjected to a humidity shock.
[/quote]

Why does it need to be acclimated? Help straighten a noob out.

I heard it has soy sauce in it, what the hell? Just sounds like a huge pain in the ass to me.
[/quote]


the flavorings suffer through a phenomenon called humidity shock. the change in humidity from packaging to opening throws the flavors out of whack (nicotine enhances the susceptibility to humidity shock as well). the flavors stabilize when the moisture content in the tobacco matches that of the surrounding environment...

[dizzbizz]

[quote name='mavsfan31' timestamp='1286472379' post='484237']
[quote name='Yasseah' timestamp='1286472061' post='484236']
[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286380204' post='484144']
Yeah, that's another thing. Acclimate where you are smoking it. -nods-
Going from the temp and humidity of your basement to, say- your living room will be different.
You'll have to re-acclimate it after this because it could have been subjected to a humidity shock.
[/quote]

Why does it need to be acclimated? Help straighten a noob out.

I heard it has soy sauce in it, what the hell? Just sounds like a huge pain in the ass to me.
[/quote]

It doesn't have soy sauce in it, it just smells of soy sauce when it is not acclimated.
[/quote]


However, you can be bad ass like me and drizzle sweet and sour sauce in it.

[Miss Crafted]

[quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1286405103' post='484176']
[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286378332' post='484140']
I actually suggest bumpin the heat up. Tangiers is made in California; hot, humid-ish.
I live in Colorado, Dry as hecks.
To get the soy sauce out of some of my flavors I had to close up the entire house and throw the humidifier on.
The other thing you should do is go to the sight labeled on the package and look at the flavor sheets.
It will tell you the humidity resistance of what you're smoking.
Fair = Needs more time to acclimate
Excellent = Not much time to acclimate

To get Orange Soda smelling right I had to leave it out for over a week.
[/quote]
when the hell did San Diego become hot and humid?! we have great weather 90% of the year...
[/quote]

San Diego Relative Humidity (Morning) 77% San Diego Relative Humidity (Afternoon) 63%Versus
Denver Relative Humidity (Morning) 67% Denver Relative Humidity (Afternoon) 40%versus
Atlantic City Relative Humidity (Morning) 82% Atlantic City Relative Humidity (Afternoon) 56%
There's a difference every where

[Miss Crafted]

[quote name='Voliminal' timestamp='1286438848' post='484209']
[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286378332' post='484140']
I actually suggest bumpin the heat up. Tangiers is made in California; hot, humid-ish.
I live in Colorado, Dry as hecks.
To get the soy sauce out of some of my flavors I had to close up the entire house and throw the humidifier on.
The other thing you should do is go to the sight labeled on the package and look at the flavor sheets.
It will tell you the humidity resistance of what you're smoking.
Fair = Needs more time to acclimate
Excellent = Not much time to acclimate

To get Orange Soda smelling right I had to leave it out for over a week.
[/quote]

And you didn't end up with a dry tobacco?
[/quote]

Constant stirring because i'm home all day, it's never gotten dry on me yet.

[Arcane]

[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286493724' post='484274']
[quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1286405103' post='484176']
[quote name='Miss Crafted' timestamp='1286378332' post='484140']
I actually suggest bumpin the heat up. Tangiers is made in California; hot, humid-ish.
I live in Colorado, Dry as hecks.
To get the soy sauce out of some of my flavors I had to close up the entire house and throw the humidifier on.
The other thing you should do is go to the sight labeled on the package and look at the flavor sheets.
It will tell you the humidity resistance of what you're smoking.
Fair = Needs more time to acclimate
Excellent = Not much time to acclimate

To get Orange Soda smelling right I had to leave it out for over a week.
[/quote]
when the hell did San Diego become hot and humid?! we have great weather 90% of the year...
[/quote]

San Diego Relative Humidity (Morning) 77% San Diego Relative Humidity (Afternoon) 63%Versus
Denver Relative Humidity (Morning) 67% Denver Relative Humidity (Afternoon) 40%versus
Atlantic City Relative Humidity (Morning) 82% Atlantic City Relative Humidity (Afternoon) 56%
There's a difference every where
[/quote]
yes, i'm aware that humidity flucuates....however, i wouldn't classify 77% as humid...

[Miss Crafted]

All I wanted to say was that the humidity was more than here in Colorado. I'm not going to add to this topic anymore, and i would much appreciate if you would stop shooting down what I have to say.

[Anxiety]

[quote name='ih303' timestamp='1286469680' post='484234']
Guys, edumicate yourselves:

[quote]Acclimate - Become accustomed to a new climate or to new conditions.[/quote]

You're not trying to re-create the climate of San Diego in your basement, garage, or wherever you acclimate your tobacco, you'r just allowing it to adapt to where YOU'RE at. That said, do your acclimating in the same general place that you're going to smoke.

I'll also throw this out there because it's something that occurred to me. [b]Tangiers is not like other brands so don't expect it to be. It's in a class of it's own and must be treated as such.

[/b]Let me put it this way. Those of you who drink are probably well familiar with the different grades of beer. On one end of the continuum you have your domestics (PBR, Bud Light, Coors, etc.) These beers are generally pretty light and made to appeal to the masses (Think Starbuzz, Fantasia, Fumari, etc.). On the other end, you have your specialty beers - porters, stouts, IPA's, etc. Many of these are microbrews and are generally higher quality. They also have much more pronounced flavor profiles and characteristics.

Now, when you drink a domestic, all you typically get is a generic "beer" flavor varied slightly depending on the brand. But when you get into some of your imports and microbrews, you taste hops, malt, wheat, coriander, etc.

Still with me? Ok. So to draw this all back together, Tangiers is the microbrew of the hookah tobacco world. When you smoke Tangiers Noir, more than likely you will taste the tobacco. If you do not like the flavor of tobacco or consider yourself sensitive to it, Tangiers Noir may not be for you. Still want to smoke Tangiers? Well you have two options: 1) Get Lucid. It's the same flavors without the tobacco undertone or nicotine. 2) Stick to strong Noir flavors such as the Kashmirs, mints and other florals and spices. Remember, the lighter the flavor, the more likely it will taste like tobacco.

Probably more than you were after, but I hope it helps.
[/quote]

All that did was want to make me drink beer and smoke tangiers tonight....thank you kind sir

as for the issue, I let it sit in the bowl for 40 mins, said F the smell and smoked it and woofa! I followed erics packing method on youtube, and got one hell of a great session in. Passion fruit is delicious, and that F-line really has a kick to it! thanks for every ones input.

[king_lunchb0x]

ok question, i understand what acclimation is supposed to do. But on noir if the tobacco has a harsh dry (almost burning taste to it). Is that just the high nicotine/tobacco taste coming through...or is that a sign of it not being acclimated well enough? And i;m sure the first thing people will respond with is how much heat am i using...ive tried all amounts of heat..started with 2CH-nats on a small phunnel..and dropped down to just 1 and was still harsh and strong taste. Even on 1 1/2 ch splits it still had that burning like ur throat is on fire taste. I have had a few flavors that were just as smooth as lucid..but some i couldn't finish the session. I do the whole 4/20 method until it smells ready.... Should i just try leaving them out long per acclimation..ie 6-8/20?

[Rani]

[quote name='king_lunchb0x' timestamp='1293504704' post='492576']
ok question, i understand what acclimation is supposed to do. But on noir if the tobacco has a harsh dry (almost burning taste to it). Is that just the high nicotine/tobacco taste coming through...or is that a sign of it not being acclimated well enough? And i;m sure the first thing people will respond with is how much heat am i using...ive tried all amounts of heat..started with 2CH-nats on a small phunnel..and dropped down to just 1 and was still harsh and strong taste. Even on 1 1/2 ch splits it still had that burning like ur throat is on fire taste. I have had a few flavors that were just as smooth as lucid..but some i couldn't finish the session. I do the whole 4/20 method until it smells ready.... Should i just try leaving them out long per acclimation..ie 6-8/20?
[/quote]

You still may be high on the heat. I use one CH coco broken into four pieces spread out on a small funnel or superchief. Seems like those itsy-bitsy pea sized pieces of coals wouldn't do much, but they're enough. Unless at a glance you think that amount of heat couldn't heat up anything, you're probably overheating. It's always a surprise how little heat, etc. Tangiers requires. Everything about it works perfectly when you think it couldn't possibly work.
'Rani

[king_lunchb0x]

[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1293505602' post='492580']
[quote name='king_lunchb0x' timestamp='1293504704' post='492576']
ok question, i understand what acclimation is supposed to do. But on noir if the tobacco has a harsh dry (almost burning taste to it). Is that just the high nicotine/tobacco taste coming through...or is that a sign of it not being acclimated well enough? And i;m sure the first thing people will respond with is how much heat am i using...ive tried all amounts of heat..started with 2CH-nats on a small phunnel..and dropped down to just 1 and was still harsh and strong taste. Even on 1 1/2 ch splits it still had that burning like ur throat is on fire taste. I have had a few flavors that were just as smooth as lucid..but some i couldn't finish the session. I do the whole 4/20 method until it smells ready.... Should i just try leaving them out long per acclimation..ie 6-8/20?
[/quote]

You still may be high on the heat. I use one CH coco broken into four pieces spread out on a small funnel or superchief. Seems like those itsy-bitsy pea sized pieces of coals wouldn't do much, but they're enough. Unless at a glance you think that amount of heat couldn't heat up anything, you're probably overheating. It's always a surprise how little hea, etc. Tangiers requires. [b] Everything about it works perfectly when you think it couldn't possibly work.[/b]
'Rani
[/quote]

well when more of my noir arrives ima have to try less heat. so its not just tobacco taste thats the harsh part..im still burning or just to high heat in general. And I luv ur philosophical logic...makes you think

[agunn1231]

I use a CCN broken into fourths, and usually use 3/4 of one...so i would say going with what Rani suggested, and use 4/4's of a CH coal