Ager 2.0 Hose?

[TweakX4]

has anyone heard anything about the ager 2.0 hose?

it's supposed to be washable and there are only a few washable hoses out there, and it's pretty cheap.

all the nammor/razen/etc. all look pretty similar and i kinda like the looks of it.

what do you think?


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[Tyler]

Ugly as hell, I'll stick to my Narbish

[Hassouni]

There are a lot of hoses that look like that already - I suspect we don't hear about them because they're no good!

[Cp44]

eh dont like it but if it works and cheap y not.

[Genie]

I never ordered one because I thought the handle was just ridiculously long (16 inches) and I find a really long handle like that a pain. I use the NuHose instead and I'm really happy with it. I've bought a lot of disposable/washable hoses and this Ager seems to be considered somewhat a step up from disposables yet not as luxurious as some other non-disposable washable hoses.

No one says what the diameter is on the hose itself, that would be important to know, I'd actually be surprised if it was as big or bigger than the diameter on the NuHose.

As to its length, 60 inches sounds pretty great. The NuHose is under 50 inches and claims it can stretch out to six feet but I've tried stretching it and it doesn't really work. Maybe if one person is standing at each end of it and pulling.... but it doesn't stay stretched out.

For less than $3 I was able to connect two NuHoses and now I can smoke from nearly 100 inches of wonderfully wide washable hookah hose. That's pretty great.

If I could overlook the length of the handle I still wouldn't consider the Ager until I knew the inner diameter of the hose itself. I'd also want to know for sure if the 60" length was before the handle or with the handle.

If you get one, I'd love to know what you thought of it.

[dizzbizz]

I don't know. Just looks cheap to me. I don't want my hose to be [i]all[/i] plastic.

[Stuie]

I have seen it on eBay several times.

I See 3 problems with it
1) Hose is way over priced
2) That Particular Seller eBay seller is a banned vendor oh HF (Reason enough to forget about if 1 doesn't do ti for ya)
3) It ships from Israel and they don't ship fast

[Chreees]

Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Stuie.

Tweak, I know you had no way of knowing it was a banned vendor selling the item, seeing as how they go under a totally different name on eBay. So don't worry, you're not in trouble. Just edited out the link for you. The link to just the pic of it should suffice.

[TweakX4]

fair enough, yeah one of the links i tried to post was rejected, so i didn't even think about the ebay one

[mushrat]

All fixed. Picture uploaded, vendor blacklisted.

[Chreees]

[quote name='TweakX4' timestamp='1292285912' post='491192']
fair enough, yeah one of the links i tried to post was rejected, so i didn't even think about the ebay one
[/quote]

Haha, you tried posting the banned vendor's page, didn't you? It's probably blacklisted, and that's why it rejected it. I believe they're the only ones that carry this hose.

[r1v3th3ad]

ha, I know who we are talking about now

[mushrat]

I don't. But i may have an idea. someone clue in the old guy via pm eh?

[Chreees]

[quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1292289930' post='491213']
I don't. But i may have an idea. someone clue in the old guy via pm eh?
[/quote]

Doing that now.

[mushrat]

ah, so.

[joytron]

I found that hose is great for beating my coal midget.

[mushrat]

and you wonder why they keep stealing your coal.....

[Epoch]

They prefer positive reinforcement?

[ih303]

[quote name='Genie' timestamp='1292268757' post='491156']
No one says what the diameter is on the hose itself, that would be important to know, I'd actually be surprised if it was as big or bigger than the diameter on the NuHose.
[/quote]

The ID of the hose really doesn't matter. What I look at on hoses is the openings on the port/mouth end tips since they're generally smaller than the hose itself. Look at the AF healthy hose, for example. The draw on a healthy hose is just as good as from a Razan or Nammor yet the hose is about half the diameter. Why? Hose end openings.

[quote name='Genie' timestamp='1292268757' post='491156']
For less than $3 I was able to connect two NuHoses and now I can smoke from nearly 100 inches of wonderfully wide washable hookah hose. That's pretty great.
[/quote]

I'm really not a fan of the NuHose. While they're a significant step up from the HH, I don't see them as being used as a washable hose. After I washed mine they acquired an awful, rancid taste. It was as if the hose was starting to break down because of the washing and I was tasting it. As such I would not reccommend that hose to anyone wanting to use it as anything other than a disposable hose. In fact, when I was talking to the owner of NuHose about his product, I mentioned washing and he advised against it. There's a good chance he told me that because he wanted me to by a few hundred of them, but there's also a chance that he's familiar with the materials used to make the hose and doesn't want to deal with complaints arising from people misusing his product.

Just my $0.02.

[Genie]

[quote name='ih303' timestamp='1292341872' post='491293']
The ID of the hose really doesn't matter. What I look at on hoses is the openings on the port/mouth end tips since they're generally smaller than the hose itself. Look at the AF healthy hose, for example. The draw on a healthy hose is just as good as from a Razan or Nammor yet the hose is about half the diameter. Why? Hose end openings. [/quote]

I have to disagree with you on this one. I got the AF Healthy Hose and the draw was awful, about as bad as using a cheap stock Mya. I loved the mouth tip on it though and ripped it off and used it on some clear tubing (which was wider than the AF Healthy Hose) and it was great.


[quote]I'm really not a fan of the NuHose. While they're a significant step up from the HH, I don't see them as being used as a washable hose. After I washed mine they acquired an awful, rancid taste. It was as if the hose was starting to break down because of the washing and I was tasting it. As such I would not reccommend that hose to anyone wanting to use it as anything other than a disposable hose. In fact, when I was talking to the owner of NuHose about his product, I mentioned washing and he advised against it. There's a good chance he told me that because he wanted me to by a few hundred of them, but there's also a chance that he's familiar with the materials used to make the hose and doesn't want to deal with complaints arising from people misusing his product.
Just my $0.02.
[/quote]

I haven't had any problems at all using and reusing my Nuhoses, I rinse them well after every session and run a little soapy water through them occasionally. They're fresh and ready to go after that. I keep saying "they" but I only opened and used it for the first two weeks (daily) then opened another to add some extra length to the first one. Still fresh, still great. I keep using the same hose over and over just to see how long I can use it before it becomes unusable. Edited December 14, 2010 by Genie

[ih303]

[quote name='Genie' timestamp='1292342392' post='491296']
I have to disagree with you on this one. I got the AF Healthy Hose and the draw was awful, about as bad as using a cheap stock Mya.
[/quote]

IDK, I never really took issue with the HH's. Granted there's tons of hoses I'd rather use. My point was to illustrate how the ease of the draw depends more on the size of the openings on the ends of the hose than on the ID of the hose itself. Some of the Nammors we use have openings the same size as the HH and therefore don't pull any easier. I will say, though, that I've seen a lot of varience in the tips of the hoses of all the brands even within the brands themselves. In fact, some of the other Nammors we have have much larger openings. Same with the Narbish's - v1-3 tended to come with great tips while the v4 (aka Razan Abu Mahir) tend to have much smaller openings. Most impressive seem to be the new washable hoses on texashookah.com which have massive openings on their tips.

[quote name='Genie' timestamp='1292342392' post='491296']
I haven't had any problems at all using and reusing my Nuhoses
[/quote]

Hmm... I wonder what the difference is then. I was actually really excited to hear about the NuHose since I've been looking for a cheap, washable hose to use with some of our hookahs. But after I got a couple and washed them, I was disappointed by how I got a chemical taste when I smoked out of them again. I wonder if it's the sanitizer that we use to wash our hoses.

[Genie]

[quote name='ih303' timestamp='1292356204' post='491318']

IDK, I never really took issue with the HH's. Granted there's tons of hoses I'd rather use. My point was to illustrate how the ease of the draw depends more on the size of the openings on the ends of the hose than on the ID of the hose itself. Some of the Nammors we use have openings the same size as the HH and therefore don't pull any easier. I will say, though, that I've seen a lot of varience in the tips of the hoses of all the brands even within the brands themselves. In fact, some of the other Nammors we have have much larger openings. Same with the Narbish's - v1-3 tended to come with great tips while the v4 (aka Razan Abu Mahir) tend to have much smaller openings. Most impressive seem to be the new washable hoses on texashookah.com which have massive openings on their tips.
[/quote]

Again I disagree. I WANT the diameter of the hose constricted [b]right at the tip[/b] because it concentrates the taste of the shisha. But if the hose is small in diameter as well, I get a headache from pulling on the blasted thing. Literally. I always use hose tips, not wide ones, because I want that smoke concentrated, but this doesn't cause the draw on the hose to be constricted, not unless the hose itself is small as well. I don't like a wide open hose tip like my Nammors and my Razan have, I'll slap a Coco tip on there every time or one of the other types of hygienic tips.

[quote]Hmm... I wonder what the difference is then. I was actually really excited to hear about the NuHose since I've been looking for a cheap, washable hose to use with some of our hookahs. But after I got a couple and washed them, I was disappointed by how I got a chemical taste when I smoked out of them again. I wonder if it's the sanitizer that we use to wash our hoses.[/quote]

This sounds like it's worth investigating. Those NuHoses have all those ridges, I can see how they'd need a bit more rinsing than your average washable hose. I rinse all mine so thoroughly anyway so I've never had a problem, but I can see how it could be a problem with this hose.

[ih303]

Well, I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure there are some factors involved here that are not unique to hookah hoses. Check this:

[quote]According to the laws governing fluid dynamics, a fluid's velocity must increase as it passes through a constriction to satisfy the conservation of mass, while its pressure must decrease to satisfy the conservation of energy. - The Venturi Effect[/quote]

In other words, when you restrict your streamline (i.e. put a small opening on the end of a large hose), you end up with an increase in pressure upstream (behind the tip), and a decrease in pressure downstream (in your mouth) <= that looks really, really bad... GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER!

See, when you take a drag from your hose, you're applying a pull-type force from the end of your hose that has the effect of creating a pressure differential (i.e. vacuum) drawing the vapors towards the differential as the tendency of fluids is to move from high to low-pressure areas. When that movement is restricted at any point in the hose, pressure and density build behind the point of restriction making it much more difficult to get more "smoke" to pass through the hose. In other words, it makes your pull more difficult. While it is possible to get the same quantity of smoke from a restricted hose, the pressure required is significantly greater. This is easy to see when trying to drink something out of a coffee stir-straw vs. a regular size straw.

What this all comes down to is this: You can have more concentrated flavor at the cost of restricted flow or an easier pull with less concentration - not both.

I love this stuff. Your comments piqued my interest causing me to really look into it. Good times!

[Genie]

[quote name='ih303' timestamp='1292447693' post='491441']
Well, I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure there are some factors involved here that are not unique to hookah hoses. Check this:

[quote]According to the laws governing fluid dynamics, a fluid's velocity must increase as it passes through a constriction to satisfy the conservation of mass, while its pressure must decrease to satisfy the conservation of energy. - The Venturi Effect[/quote]

In other words, when you restrict your streamline (i.e. put a small opening on the end of a large hose), you end up with an increase in pressure upstream (behind the tip), and a decrease in pressure downstream (in your mouth) <= that looks really, really bad... GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER!

See, when you take a drag from your hose, you're applying a pull-type force from the end of your hose that has the effect of creating a pressure differential (i.e. vacuum) drawing the vapors towards the differential as the tendency of fluids is to move from high to low-pressure areas. When that movement is restricted at any point in the hose, pressure and density build behind the point of restriction making it much more difficult to get more "smoke" to pass through the hose. In other words, it makes your pull more difficult. While it is possible to get the same quantity of smoke from a restricted hose, the pressure required is significantly greater. This is easy to see when trying to drink something out of a coffee stir-straw vs. a regular size straw.

What this all comes down to is this: You can have more concentrated flavor at the cost of restricted flow or an easier pull with less concentration - not both.

I love this stuff. Your comments piqued my interest causing me to really look into it. Good times!
[/quote]

Do fluid dynamics apply to smoke/vapor? I can't help but feel that there's probably some formula out there that shows that fluid/smoke/vapor still flows faster and better through a wider hose than a smaller hose even if the wider hose has the same size tip (essentially, after adding a hygienic mouth tip). Wish I had a skinny garden hose to compare to a fat one, I could attach the same sprayer to each and see if they fill up a bucket at the same speed or not.

[antouwan]

[quote name='ih303' timestamp='1292356204' post='491318']
[quote name='Genie' timestamp='1292342392' post='491296']
I have to disagree with you on this one. I got the AF Healthy Hose and the draw was awful, about as bad as using a cheap stock Mya.
[/quote]

IDK, I never really took issue with the HH's. Granted there's tons of hoses I'd rather use. My point was to illustrate how the ease of the draw depends more on the size of the openings on the ends of the hose than on the ID of the hose itself. Some of the Nammors we use have openings the same size as the HH and therefore don't pull any easier. I will say, though, that I've seen a lot of varience in the tips of the hoses of all the brands even within the brands themselves. In fact, some of the other Nammors we have have much larger openings. Same with the Narbish's - v1-3 tended to come with great tips while the v4 (aka Razan Abu Mahir) tend to have much smaller openings. Most impressive seem to be the new washable hoses on texashookah.com which have massive openings on their tips.

[quote name='Genie' timestamp='1292342392' post='491296']
I haven't had any problems at all using and reusing my Nuhoses
[/quote]

Hmm... I wonder what the difference is then. I was actually really excited to hear about the NuHose since I've been looking for a cheap, washable hose to use with some of our hookahs. But after I got a couple and washed them, I was disappointed by how I got a chemical taste when I smoked out of them again. [b]I wonder if it's the sanitizer that we use to wash our hoses.[/b]
[/quote]

Maybe. I keep a NuHose in my car for whenever i visit a lounge that i frequent. the other day the hose was looking pretty gross so i decided to rinse it out. i had my reservations because of what you said regarding the bad post-rinse taste. i didn't know you used something other than water to 'rinse' your hoses!

anyway, i decided just to clean the thing out. i took off the ends and rinsed those separately. due to all the ridges in the tubing, i rinsed it with the water flowing from both directions 2 times each way, alternating.

it was like it was brand new. awesome. i would recommend not using the sanitizer or rinsing the hell out of it after you do.

[quote name='Genie' timestamp='1292451700' post='491450']
[quote name='ih303' timestamp='1292447693' post='491441']
Well, I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure there are some factors involved here that are not unique to hookah hoses. Check this:

[quote]According to the laws governing fluid dynamics, a fluid's velocity must increase as it passes through a constriction to satisfy the conservation of mass, while its pressure must decrease to satisfy the conservation of energy. - The Venturi Effect[/quote]

In other words, when you restrict your streamline (i.e. put a small opening on the end of a large hose), you end up with an increase in pressure upstream (behind the tip), and a decrease in pressure downstream (in your mouth) <= that looks really, really bad... GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER!

See, when you take a drag from your hose, you're applying a pull-type force from the end of your hose that has the effect of creating a pressure differential (i.e. vacuum) drawing the vapors towards the differential as the tendency of fluids is to move from high to low-pressure areas. When that movement is restricted at any point in the hose, pressure and density build behind the point of restriction making it much more difficult to get more "smoke" to pass through the hose. In other words, it makes your pull more difficult. While it is possible to get the same quantity of smoke from a restricted hose, the pressure required is significantly greater. This is easy to see when trying to drink something out of a coffee stir-straw vs. a regular size straw.

What this all comes down to is this: You can have more concentrated flavor at the cost of restricted flow or an easier pull with less concentration - not both.

I love this stuff. Your comments piqued my interest causing me to really look into it. Good times!
[/quote]

Do fluid dynamics apply to smoke/vapor? I can't help but feel that there's probably some formula out there that shows that fluid/smoke/vapor still flows faster and better through a wider hose than a smaller hose even if the wider hose has the same size tip (essentially, after adding a hygienic mouth tip). Wish I had a skinny garden hose to compare to a fat one, I could attach the same sprayer to each and see if they fill up a bucket at the same speed or not.
[/quote]

Yes they do. air/vapor is a fluid. Oxford dictionary: Fluid - a substance that has no fixed shape and yields easily to external pressure; a gas or (esp.) a liquid.