What About This Hookah?

[kuntakinke]

[font=arial, verdana, tahoma, sans-serif][size=2]Hello there Folks! Not so long ago, I had that little small pumpkin hookah, size about 25-30 centimeters. Honestly, I wasn't really satisfied, people told me that probably is too short tube for smoke and it couldn't cool that smoke, so when I smoked it - it tasted really yuck and BURNED disgusting heavy smoke (like I'm eating charcoals) - someone told that was because that pumpkin hookah sucks and tube inside is too short for cooling down that smoke , someone told that .I need to change charcoals (I used No Name) and tabacco (I used El Nakhla).

And today, I need your opinion, I have an ability to buy hookah on auctions, it's 51 centimeters long and costs about 30 euros ~ 35 dollars.[/size][/font]

Here is high quality picture:

http://www.aukcije.hr/upload/0/00/000/0009/00092/000920/0009201/00092017/1/1287350/original/20101124124858.jpg


What do you honestly think about this hookah? Is it worth buying? Is it easy to prepare, especially for me, beginner? Would fruitly tabacco be sweet and cooled?

[kmccoy90]

It looks cheap, my friend. There are many hookahs that are similarly priced that look much more solid than that one look around this site, particularly this page and the reviews section. There are lots of people here that will help you find a really good pipe in your price range.

Personally, I would look at MYA hookahs, especially for value. They aren't too much more expensive than that one and I'm certain are much better quality. Google them. I doubt you'll be disappointed.

[magick777]

My gut feeling is that 30 euros is a LOT of money to spend on a hookah of that size, and more so if it's second hand. You could buy a bigger one, new with all the accessories, for not very much more than that. For instance, even here in the (very expensive) UK you could buy a 75cm Khalil Mamoon for £40 / 48 euros, and if you look at the German retailers, you may find something even cheaper (or more bang for your buck).

As to whether it will fix the taste of your smoke... all other things being equal, a larger hookah provides more cooling than a small one, but, your choice of bowl, tobacco, charcoal, foil etc. all play a part, too. The best pipe in the world won't perform well with a lousy bowl, dry tobacco, or too much charcoal for too long. I would recommend, if you can afford it, starting with a large pipe, and experimenting with flavour-retaining bowls such as any of the Vortex, the Saphire Power Bowl, or the various Phunnels.

A pipe like that would cost £20-30 new here, maximum, and therefore less in most of continental Europe. I wouldn't look to pay more than £10-15 for one at auction, and if it's second hand, assume you may well need to replace bits like washers, hoses etc. Nothing wrong with it as a pipe, just it strikes me as a high price for what it is.

[mushrat]

interesting, it may be older than you think, it has no purge valve.

May have something slightly collectible?

[IainUM]

what is a sapphire power bowl, magick?

[magick777]

@IainUM:

Saphire [sic] are a German maker of some very nice ceramic bowls... a photo doesn't really explain well so best thing I can suggest is look at the Youtube clips of them; all in German, but the visuals are everything. Design is similar to a Super Chief, but bigger, i.e. it's a flavour-retaining hybrid, somewhere between a Phunnel and a Vortex, 8 x 4mm holes on a raised bump in the centre of a wide, shallow bowl. Don't have one yet... but they are easy to fall in love with, looks like it would fix the reservations I have about my Vortex being too deep and not enough surface area.

They also do a Power Bowl XXL, which is a ridiculously large "party bowl" version, 6" high by 4" diameter, holding about 50g. Again, the photos don't do it justice... watch someone pick one up and you'll get a better idea of the size. The German suppliers mostly have them, limited imports into the UK and I know nothing about the US market.

[agunn1231]

i looked up the power bowl last night/early this morning when i saw the post. I am intrigued. maybe i'll talk my Swiss cousins into getting me one and just hold it till i go back there.

[IainUM]

ok, i am now intrigued. i'll check it out

[kuntakinke]

Thank you all for answers my friends!!!

It would be such unkind of me - I asked seller about nargile and responded that is very very old from Tunis and it has no rubbers (seal for the body and vase and for bowl and body) and it has METAL bowl - so it's really useless for me and I'm sure that I won't buy that thing... (I'm some kind of disappointed...)

However I live in a country where is really hard to find that smoking equipment and stuff - and if you find it - it has damn hell price. Here new nargilas costs about 70 euros ~ 75 dollars without stuff and equipment...

[magick777]

I am fairly confident that you would be able to import a decent pipe, including the shipping costs, for less than 70 euros / 75 dollars - it would be up to you to check whether there are any local taxes as you bring it in, though. You'll find this easier when Croatia is part of the EU, I suspect.

However, in the meantime, I can suggest a few options:

1) Ask around the UK / European / US retailers about shipping to Croatia. It probably won't be cheap... but if you spent 40 on a pipe and 20 on the shipping, that's still less than 70-75.
2) Stick a post on the Trades forum on here, some of our US members have high-quality second hand gear... if you can work out the payment, maybe someone with a known reputation on here will ship straight to you.
3) Ask around friends and family going on holiday; you don't have to go as far as the Middle East, they're widely available in Germany, Spain, the UK, etc.

You would be well advised, though, to give some thought to where your tobacco, charcoal and other supplies are coming from. It's no use doing an expensive, one-off import of a pipe unless you can reliably get the consumables to go with it. Shipping tobacco internationally is complicated; you may do well to find out what *is* available locally before you decide what, if anything, to import.

[The Jester]

Hes lying
just kidding...
I live in the neigbour state right next to kuntakinke and we tend to go down to Bosnia and buy shisha cheaper....
to answer magicks first suggestion: no one except a certain site in america ships to croatia...Im buying a new hookah soon so I know
also...taxes...terrible terrible taxes... I couldnt even find any law that has hookah or shisha in it so he would be importing expensive tobacco and a construction to smoke certain forbidden substances (from their point of view)

a word of advice: dont go for cheaps
I learnt something the hard way
hookah smoking is an expensive sport
the more you pay, the more you can get (not always but most of the time) from those manufacturers that are respected
also
check nargile filantrop on facebook (from there you can go to the webpage)...and contact the guy selling the stuff, you can maybe arrange a nice shipment
also pm me for any other questions

[kuntakinke]

thank you magick! but croatia is really probematic about these stuff, things...

and i agree with you that smoking hookah is an expensive sport!

so i checked that on facebook and found on web site really cheap hookah;

"Aladin Minimi" - 41 centimeters - costs about 25 euros ~ 32 dollars



Here's link; [url="http://www.filantrop-hr.com/#/products/cat1/SampleProduct8/"]http://www.filantrop-hr.com/#/products/cat1/SampleProduct8/[/url]

Another picture: [url="http://www.fruchtrauch.de/images/aladin_shisha_minimi_rot_m.jpg"]http://www.fruchtrauch.de/images/aladin_shisha_minimi_rot_m.jpg[/url]


What do you think about this one? Is it worth buying? Should I prepare it easy and good, for good and sweet tasty smokes?

[magick777]

It is hard to know how best to advise you.

If you [b]can[/b] only spend ~30 euros, then this is a MUCH better idea than getting a pipe from an auction, because it is likely to come with most of what you need. Aladin are a good German manufacturer, easily on a par with Mya, and if you're going to buy a 16" / 41cm pipe at all, then you could do worse than to buy that one. That pipe will be as good to smoke as any other pipe of that size. I think it is the best buy you are likely to get [b]for that sort of money[/b].

However, if you want me to be perfectly honest, I don't think the pipe will reward you with the "good and sweet tasty smokes" that you're looking for. A majority of us here seem to use pipes that are 28" / 70cm or larger for preference, as do most shisha cafes, and my gut feeling is that there's a reason for that. I have no doubt that it is *possible* to get a good smoke out of a small pipe, but on the occasions that I have tried, I did not enjoy the experience. My fear is that if I advise you to buy that pipe, I can pretty much guarantee that it will not be quite as good as you hoped; and you will either want to go out and buy a 28" / 70cm pipe to see if I was right, or you will be put off the hookah altogether. This isn't the outcome we want.

So, my personal view is that you should wait until you can afford to spend more, and then buy one of the 69cm Aladin pipes on the same site. I know that means I'm advising you to spend more money than you wanted to - all I can say is, I'm only telling you what I do myself. I already own a 28" / 69cm pipe, I just spent £55 / 66 euros on a new 35" / 88cm one. It was worth it.

I'm sorry not to be more enthusiastic; the logic behind this recommendation is that you will then [b]know[/b] you have a decent pipe, and if you still don't get the smoke you were hoping for, you can play with charcoal management, foil and choice of bowl until you do. Basically, your 25-euro pipe might be the best pipe you can get for 25 euros (and I believe it probably is), but, it won't stop you from wanting a better pipe. You'll end up wishing you'd saved the 25 euros and just bought the better pipe, is my humble opinion.

[Stuie]

Honestly... I love the look of the base! love the design painted on it. Very unique...I would buy it for the base and whoever long the stem lasted great. Toss it and grab Nammor, Mya, KM or MZ Stem to replace it

[magick777]

[quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1294782964' post='494073']
Honestly... I love the look of the base! love the design painted on it. Very unique...I would buy it for the base and whoever long the stem lasted great. Toss it and grab Nammor, Mya, KM or MZ Stem to replace it
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I assume this refers to the pipe at auction, because there's nothing to love about an Aladin Minimi vase. Can see your point, it is nice, but I'd make one or two against:

1) $35 is a lot for a vase
2) the vase from an 18" pipe would have a limited range of available stems; it will likely be too small to take a full size stem.
3) the OP is in a country where suppliers are few; importing a stem is not simple
4) the OP is relatively new to hookah and is looking for something that will smoke easily and better than a Pumpkin.
5) the OP is clearly concerned with cost

So, yup, it's a nice vase, but I can't agree with the above advice as being all that practicable, in the OP's situation, or cost-effective as the way to your first smokable pipe.

[kuntakinke]

The Jester and I were discussing about extending that hookah. What do you think, if won't be such good thing and tasty, sweet smoke as original sized hookah, because the main tube is too short for cooling, somewhere I'll find good, high quality tube of stainless steel or inox about + 30 centimeters and put it up (tube on tube), of course it must be good bond up and down (because the air can't flow). So, here we have new, bigger size nargila about 80 centimeters, what do you think about this idea?

[joytron]

I dont buy the idea that a larger hookah is needed for cooling the smoke. The mya bambino is around 12" and smokes quite well. Keep in mind that hoses are quite long.

[magick777]

@joytron:
I'm not sure that I buy the idea that it is [b]needed[/b], either. A Syrian friend smokes a 16" pipe, by choice. However, I do buy the empirical observations that

a) a majority of people, at least in the West, use large pipes. This is not so true in Syria or Turkey, I'll admit.
many new people who buy small pipes are disappointed with them and the pipe becomes suspect, whether it is ultimately to blame or not
c) the response to this is usually either to buy a better pipe, or to give up, so I stand by my advice.

@kuntakinke:

I don't feel that extending the stem would make a whole lot of difference. In a larger pipe, you have a larger vase, meaning you have a larger volume of air/smoke above the water and the bubbles of smoke expand into a larger space, after being cooled by a larger thermal mass of cold water. If I overfill the bottle on my large pipe, so the smoke bubbles through lots of water and has less air space in which to expand, I can make it smoke almost like a smaller pipe; the smoke is colder but just as harsh.

As ever, it's horses for courses; a 16" Aladin will smoke at least as well as a Mya Bambino, and either one is smokeable. Just about. Given the OP's stated reservations about small pipes, which I entirely share, I think he's better advised to buy a pipe that is beyond reproach than to buy one that is only marginally better than the Pumpkin, even if that takes him another month of saving up. Then if and when he has the same problem, which he might well, he can learn the finer points of heat management, without the pipe being suspect. There will be conflicting opinions, no doubt, but that's my view and I stand by it.

[joytron]

[quote name='magick777' timestamp='1294788422' post='494085']
@joytron:
I'm not sure that I buy the idea that it is [b]needed[/b], either. A Syrian friend smokes a 16" pipe, by choice. However, I do buy the empirical observations that

a) a majority of people, at least in the West, use large pipes. This is not so true in Syria or Turkey, I'll admit.
many new people who buy small pipes are disappointed with them and the pipe becomes suspect, whether it is ultimately to blame or not
c) the response to this is usually either to buy a better pipe, or to give up, so I stand by my advice.

@kuntakinke:

I don't feel that extending the stem would make a whole lot of difference. In a larger pipe, you have a larger vase, meaning you have a larger volume of air/smoke above the water and the bubbles of smoke expand into a larger space, after being cooled by a larger thermal mass of cold water. If I overfill the bottle on my large pipe, so the smoke bubbles through lots of water and has less air space in which to expand, I can make it smoke almost like a smaller pipe; the smoke is colder but just as harsh.

As ever, it's horses for courses; a 16" Aladin will smoke at least as well as a Mya Bambino, and either one is smokeable. Just about. Given the OP's stated reservations about small pipes, which I entirely share, I think he's better advised to buy a pipe that is beyond reproach than to buy one that is only marginally better than the Pumpkin, even if that takes him another month of saving up. Then if and when he has the same problem, which he might well, he can learn the finer points of heat management, without the pipe being suspect. There will be conflicting opinions, no doubt, but that's my view and I stand by it.
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I am not suggesting he by the pipe I am merely pointing out that its the wrong reason not to buy the pipe. Empirical evidence hardly. Empirical evidence requires scientific data, if you have used a little mya pipe and can honestly tell me it preformed poorly I will give you some credit. If on the other hand you are basing your theory on word of mouth, that is pure speculation and you are doing the OP a disservice but giving him unsound advice. People who are disappointed with their pipes fall under two catergories 1. user error 2. quality of the pipe. If somehow you feel that buying a small pipe reflects poorly on your manhood, thats one thing, but if the quality of the session and price are your top concerns you could do much worse than a little mya.

However, since neither one of us have used the Alladin pipe I would suggest steering clear of it, for quality standards alone.

[joytron]

[url="http://www.hookah-shisha.com/p-1485-bambino-1-hose-mya-hookah.html"]http://www.hookah-shisha.com/p-1485-bambino-1-hose-mya-hookah.html[/url]

[url="http://www.hookah-shisha.com/p-184-mya-qt-1-hose-hookah.html"]http://www.hookah-shisha.com/p-184-mya-qt-1-hose-hookah.html[/url]


So much for being disappointed with small pipes.

[magick777]

[quote name='joytron' timestamp='1294789688' post='494086']

I am not suggesting he by the pipe I am merely pointing out that its the wrong reason not to buy the pipe. Empirical evidence hardly. Empirical evidence requires scientific data, if you have used a little mya pipe and can honestly tell me it preformed poorly I will give you some credit. If on the other hand you are basing your theory on word of mouth, that is pure speculation and you are doing the OP a disservice but giving him unsound advice. People who are disappointed with their pipes fall under two catergories 1. user error 2. quality of the pipe. If somehow you feel that buying a small pipe reflects poorly on your manhood, thats one thing, but if the quality of the session and price are your top concerns you could do much worse than a little mya.

However, since neither one of us have used the Alladin pipe I would suggest steering clear of it, for quality standards alone.

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Firstly, I refer you to the definition of [url="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empirical"]empirical[/url] - based on observation or experience. I don't know where you invented the requirement for data, scientific or otherwise.

Second, nope, I haven't used a Mya, but I've used three sub-15" pipes, brands unknown, and been unimpressed with all of them. I don't dispute that the 11" Mya Bambino might be a good pipe [b]for its size,[/b] but, it can't rival a 28" pipe in hard considerations of volume and surface area, whatever way you look at it. There is also a practical consideration in Europe that Mya is an American company, and their products are expensive imports here with very limited availability of spares. Which leads me neatly onto...

Third, nope, I haven't used that particular pipe, but, I have used Aladin bowls, hoses, tongs, grommets, charcoal and other supplies, and they have all been of excellent quality. In fact, Aladin are the company who keep half of Europe smoking, as they're one of very few to manufacture a full range of supplies and consumables for their pipes. I believe I've used the larger Aladin pipes at a couple of European cafes, but couldn't confirm it for certain, was a few years ago. The OP could do far worse than to buy Aladin, at least in continental Europe.

This leads me to find it vaguely hypocritical to accuse me of doing the OP a disservice, while in the same breath recommending against a brand you've apparently not heard of. :-)

[magick777]

Oh, and it's also worth adding, based on earlier posts in the thread and following the links given by the OP, that

1) the OP finds it easier to purchase from Croatia than from EU countries or the USA
2) the OP has been recommended to a particular supplier in Croatia by another forum user in Croatia with direct experience of that retailer, to whom I defer in terms of the recommendation for where to buy in that region
3) the supplier in question sells exclusively Aladin pipes. Since they're the leading German brand, this is hardly surprising.
4) therefore, the OP either buys an Aladin pipe, or ignores a relevant recommendation for a local supplier and puts obstacles in his path to buy from further afield

Being mindful of that, the question is whether he should spend 180 Croatian kuna on the smallest, cheapest pipe in the supplier's range and expect it to provide him with the best possible results. My answer remains that no, he should spend a little more and purchase something in the middle of the range, perhaps the upper middle. So, to get back to trying to answer the OP's question (and to invite more flames for what I admit is nothing more than a purely subjective opinion, not having used all of the pipes in question), his options going up the range (and my verdicts on them) are:

325kn for a 49cm / 19.6" Luna model - might work OK, but still smaller than what most of us smoke by choice.
375kn for a 63cm / 25.2" Arabica model - our first serious contender, but I happen to know that Aladin do their vases in 3 sizes and if you're spending that much, it's worth going just a little bit further.
400kn for a 69cm / 27.6" Fata Morgana multi-hose model. Not recommended. To the best of my knowledge, the Aladin multi-hose hookahs are valved, BUT, concensus is that multi-hose hookahs aren't great. Not something I would recommend as first real pipe.
400kn for a 69cm / 27.6" Retro model - this is a serious contender. No reservations.
450kn for a 69cm / 27.6" Amira - this is a serious contender. Most resembles a "typical" Egyptian shisha pipe in terms of stem, vase shape, etc. and subjectively I like it for that reason. Those extra 50kn don't make it smoke any better, though. Same bowl, same hose, same stem materials. Comes down to an aesthetic preference that the OP may not share; his question was functional in nature.

450kn for a 70cm / 27.6" Blackmoon - this is a serious contender; personally I'm not a fan of the design, but, same as above applies.
485kn for a different multi-hose type - not recommended for reasons above.
650kn for a 118cm / 47.2" XXL Luxira - not recommended for the OP's situation. Might be nice as a second pipe. Too big for easy cleaning (but pulling your stem brush through on a string works).

So, I'm going to stick my neck out and say that if I were in Bosnia-Herzegovina, buying a hookah in from Croatia, and preferably from a recommended retailer who stocked the models mentioned above, I would buy Aladin, but I would not propose to spend 180kn on the smallest, cheapest hookah in that range and expect it to yield the best results. I would either spend 400kn / 54 euros on the Retro, or I would spend 450kn / 60 euros on the Amira. I would also reassure the OP that those do not look like unreasonable prices, at least not to an Englishman. My 28" pipe cost £50 / 60 euros, from a local retailer three years ago, while the 35" pipe I bought last week cost £55 / 66 euros (reduced from £65 / 78 euros asking price). This is what good pipes cost, I'm afraid.

Oh, and as to the recommendation for a Mya Bambino, you might like to know that here in the UK, t[url="http://www.shishabuzz.com/mya-saray/mya-bambino-purple.html"]hey sell for £43 each here when on sale[/url]. Meanwhile, in the same sales, I can find [url="http://www.theshishashop.com/khalil-mamoon-shisha-cafe-style-75cm-with-long-blue-handle-hose-blue-p-652.html?osCsid=5f8275dcba910d5e97ef6c67080272d5"]a 75cm Khalil Mamoon for £40[/url] or even [url="http://www.shishalife.com/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=102"]a 33" Khaled Zamaan knocked down to £39[/url] (that's DAMN nice for £39, I want it!). Not that this is a recommendation to the OP, who should buy from what is available to him, just an observation that what goes for the US market isn't necessarily valid in context of the question that was asked.

[The Jester]

Since now I feel responsible, I will give a big response.

1. It turns out kunta is actually from Croatia, he just didnt pay attention to that...so its really easy for him to get an Aladdin now
2. The situation in Croatia:
There arent many people her who know about hookah, and those who do know usually dont tend to buy one. Why? They smoke other stuff. Or they smoke one in neighbour countries.
Then, there is no law that I could find about importing a hookah since we obviously dont need one. But if there is no law on taxes that means they can make one up: 50 dollar hookah + the shipping to a country outside EU+ taxes which could be more than half the hookah price (I think we all know thats possible).

3. The vendor I recommended: Nargile Filantrop
I didnt try a hookah from there yet. Yes, that gives me little credibility, but he is the first one here to even try to run a hookah specialized business (and he is cheaper than anybody I have bought shisha from). He tends to his customers. He kept me informed about everything he got, e-mailed me, texted me, and even called me to talk about the possible deal and didnt try to fool me at any second. Oh yeah, he is giving 10% discounts almost to anyone and I know its not easy to give that kind of service here. Im picking up my order tomorrow: an Amira, charcoal and shisha. On my 140$ order he gave me a 20$ discount. I think thats fair and I personally will recommend him because if I can help get that bussiness going he will have more stuff that im interested in.

Im ready to answer any question..

[joytron]

[quote name='magick777' timestamp='1294794218' post='494093']
[quote name='joytron' timestamp='1294789688' post='494086']
I am not suggesting he by the pipe I am merely pointing out that its the wrong reason not to buy the pipe. Empirical evidence hardly. Empirical evidence requires scientific data, if you have used a little mya pipe and can honestly tell me it preformed poorly I will give you some credit. If on the other hand you are basing your theory on word of mouth, that is pure speculation and you are doing the OP a disservice but giving him unsound advice. People who are disappointed with their pipes fall under two catergories 1. user error 2. quality of the pipe. If somehow you feel that buying a small pipe reflects poorly on your manhood, thats one thing, but if the quality of the session and price are your top concerns you could do much worse than a little mya.

However, since neither one of us have used the Alladin pipe I would suggest steering clear of it, for quality standards alone.

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Firstly, I refer you to the definition of [url="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/empirical"]empirical[/url] - based on observation or experience. I don't know where you invented the requirement for data, scientific or otherwise.

Second, nope, I haven't used a Mya, but I've used three sub-15" pipes, brands unknown, and been unimpressed with all of them. I don't dispute that the 11" Mya Bambino might be a good pipe [b]for its size,[/b] but, it can't rival a 28" pipe in hard considerations of volume and surface area, whatever way you look at it. There is also a practical consideration in Europe that Mya is an American company, and their products are expensive imports here with very limited availability of spares. Which leads me neatly onto...

Third, nope, I haven't used that particular pipe, but, I have used Aladin bowls, hoses, tongs, grommets, charcoal and other supplies, and they have all been of excellent quality. In fact, Aladin are the company who keep half of Europe smoking, as they're one of very few to manufacture a full range of supplies and consumables for their pipes. I believe I've used the larger Aladin pipes at a couple of European cafes, but couldn't confirm it for certain, was a few years ago. The OP could do far worse than to buy Aladin, at least in continental Europe.

This leads me to find it vaguely hypocritical to accuse me of doing the OP a disservice, while in the same breath recommending against a brand you've apparently not heard of. :-)

[/quote]

You have some strong opinions on products you have never used. It is unfortunate that you have decided to generalize the smoking experience of all small hookahs based on the few unbranded pipes that you have used. Is it not possible that there were factors, other than size, that affected their performance? Read some of the reviews of the hookahs I have posted up, every one will agree with me that they are quality pipes. I have used plenty of KMs, temsaahs, some random egyptians, syrians, and a few Myas. The bambino certainly held its own. I believe hose, packing ability, bowl, a leak-free pipe, and heat management all are much more important.

I only would not suggest the pipe because I have not had any personal experience with it and will not stand behind a product I have not used. That stated it might be a pipe of exceptional quality. Simply overlooking a set-up because of its size is foolish. I do not suggest the OP buys a Mya, but am simply making a point that there are little pipes that provide excellent smoking experiences. In fact if you ever have the opportunity to try one I think it might change your views.

[magick777]

[color=#1C2837]Don't feel responsible... there's many a healthy debate goes on here, and your mention of a relevant local retailer is helpful, whether or not it can be taken as a personal recommendation. It is the case that a majority of our users are American (as I'm sure you're aware) and therefore, that sometimes context is everything for those of us in Europe. [/color][color=#1C2837]While we have slightly more choice of retailers in the UK than you seem to have in Croatia, everything you say about imports and taxes is intimately and painfully familiar. We have the same problem in respect of tobacco-based molasses, which is no longer easy to buy here, and I sympathise. It is a strong case for buying what you can get and buying it locally, unless you want to take the risk of being the importer.[/color]
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[color="#1C2837"]In short, I completely agree with your conclusions, and the Amira would have been my choice, too. I begin to think that the best advice to the OP is to wait until you are in a position to give him your first hand opinion of the Amira, which looks like about the best price/performance combination in the range. I agree that "hookah smoking is an expensive sport", but the retailer's prices are basically fair and therefore, the discount is genuine. Like you, I wish him every success in importing hookah into Croatia, and I don't have the impression that you're being fooled, either. [/color][color=#1C2837]You've got a 28" Egyptian pipe, made to West German standards for 52 euros (including 14% discount); I got a 28" Egyptian pipe made to Egyptian standards, for 60 euros, three years ago. It sounds like a fair deal to me. :-)[/color]
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