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[quote name='SmokingShaolin' timestamp='1295400183' post='494916']
What do others say about HF?
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everything everyone says about other forums when they dont like how its being run. :)

people seem to like comparing me to Nazis and Fascists a lot. Heck there have even been pictures. Right Neal?
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[quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1295400306' post='494919']
everything everyone says about other forums when they dont like how its being run. :)

people seem to like comparing me to Nazis and Fascists a lot. Heck there have even been pictures. Right Neal?
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i know what picture your talking about .ha ha ha neal. could we get a badword filter to filter his name to fucktard? i know it be unfair to any one else named neal but still it be nice .
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I haven't been around long enough to have experienced this. Could someone explain without violating the rules how this all happened and left so many scars between the "factions" of our hookah community?

I don't think this community is unreasonably strict. With structure comes a fostering of intelligence.
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[quote name='kmccoy90' timestamp='1295417472' post='494954']
I haven't been around long enough to have experienced this. Could someone explain without violating the rules how this all happened and left so many scars between the "factions" of our hookah community?

I don't think this community is unreasonably strict. With structure comes a fostering of intelligence.
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In a Nutshell - The Movie

Act One: Seemed like a pretty good vendor. Started his own forum to boot.
Act Two: His personal life went to crap so his business went with it. ATF running around about his tobacco business practices, etc. People not getting their merchandise, etc. Vanished into the wind leaving customers without their merchandise or money.
Act Three: Could not deal with having made his own failure, blamed anyone and everyone who dared to call him out, foul-mouthed other vendors who actually worked to maintain their business and reputation. Turned out to be a racist jerk. The members themselves here at HF chose to wash their hands of him. Admin actually only enforced the same rules with him they do with everyone else.
The End.

Sequel: Can't seem to stop surfacing now and then to cause drama. Generally clumsy, gets caught, runs amok at the mouth again, sinks back into the cesspool until the next sighting. Kinda like the Loch Ness monster.

'Rani
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[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1295418413' post='494956']
[quote name='kmccoy90' timestamp='1295417472' post='494954']
I haven't been around long enough to have experienced this. Could someone explain without violating the rules how this all happened and left so many scars between the "factions" of our hookah community?

I don't think this community is unreasonably strict. With structure comes a fostering of intelligence.
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In a Nutshell - The Movie

Act One: Seemed like a pretty good vendor. Started his own forum to boot.
Act Two: His personal life went to crap so his business went with it. ATF running around about his tobacco business practices, etc. People not getting their merchandise, etc. Vanished into the wind leaving customers without their merchandise or money.
Act Three: Could not deal with having made his own failure, blamed anyone and everyone who dared to call him out, foul-mouthed other vendors who actually worked to maintain their business and reputation. Turned out to be a racist jerk. The members themselves here at HF chose to wash their hands of him. Admin actually only enforced the same rules with him they do with everyone else.
The End.

Sequel: Can't seem to stop surfacing now and then to cause drama. Generally clumsy, gets caught, runs amok at the mouth again, sinks back into the cesspool until the next sighting. Kinda like the Loch Ness monster.

'Rani
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Rani....That has got to be the best interpretation of the "situation" that I have personally read to date. Good Job!

And for those of you that are still curious, do some digging in the threads that are around 2-3 years old.
Honestly though, It's really not that interesting at all....Actually pretty pitiful and shows how low someone will stoop.
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[quote name='IainUM' timestamp='1295420155' post='494966']
im sorry rani, but what do you mean by ATF? i have no clue what that stands for
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US Dept of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Though now it's really ATFE. Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

'Rani
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[quote name='Click' timestamp='1295421047' post='494970']
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

I guess he didn't have a license at his hookah lounge or something rather.




EDIT: YOU BEAT ME! :smiley-angry021:



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LOL..... I think it was the repackaging that got him in trouble if I recall correctly. I actually looked into a license at one point. It comes in different levels. If you're doing any kind of packaging you have to have a manufacturing license. It's not even that expensive. It was like $2,000 when I checked. Big whoop. No, instead let's have ATF knocking on the door. It was a "Here's your sign....." moment.

'Rani
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[quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1295400306' post='494919']
everything everyone says about other forums when they dont like how its being run. :)

people seem to like comparing me to Nazis and Fascists a lot. Heck there have even been pictures. Right Neal?
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Nekkid pictures??????? I know we don't have lot of girls on the forum, but I bet a profit could be made off nekkid pictures....... Just saying..........

;Rani
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[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1295421275' post='494971']
LOL..... I think it was the repackaging that got him in trouble if I recall correctly. I actually looked into a license at one point. It comes in different levels. If you're doing any kind of packaging you have to have a manufacturing license. It's not even that expensive. It was like $2,000 when I checked. Big whoop. No, instead let's have ATF knocking on the door. It was a "Here's your sign....." moment.

'Rani
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I'm curious if the ATF wants you to have such a license if what you're doing is weighing out an ounce from a big jar into a little bag. Old fashioned tobacconists have done this for centuries. Can you point the curious to the relevant PDF or webpage?
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[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1295421275' post='494971']
LOL..... I think it was the repackaging that got him in trouble if I recall correctly. I actually looked into a license at one point. It comes in different levels. If you're doing any kind of packaging you have to have a manufacturing license. It's not even that expensive. It was like $2,000 when I checked. Big whoop. No, instead let's have ATF knocking on the door. It was a "Here's your sign....." moment.

'Rani
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I'm curious if the ATF wants you to have such a license if what you're doing is weighing out an ounce from a big jar into a little bag. Old fashioned tobacconists have done this for centuries. Can you point the curious to the relevant PDF or webpage?
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Jesus, noodle, it's been years since I even looked into it. I just remember looking into it, and also hearing that's what they hit him up for. I'm not going to research something for hours just to prove a point. My life at least, is too short. But hey, go for it.

'Rani
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[quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1295400306' post='494919']
everything everyone says about other forums when they dont like how its being run. :)

people seem to like comparing me to Nazis and Fascists a lot. Heck there have even been pictures. Right Neal?
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Nekkid pictures??????? I know we don't have lot of girls on the forum, but I bet a profit could be made off nekkid pictures....... Just saying..........

;Rani
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No not nekkid pictures. Who wants Nekkid pictures of ME??? Hell Im starting to cringe when i see me in a mirror. :)

A picture with me photoshopped to look like Hitler.
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[quote name='ezxen' timestamp='1295436946' post='494993']
i can tell you guys that the licenses and names are in his partners name.
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poor Holly was it? Speakign of pictures... :)
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I think those need to stay buried for good Mush....
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