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[mustafabey]

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Rani said:"And the tribes on both sides of Abraham's blanket have been at war with each other for several thousand years, and we shouldn't have been taking sides there either."
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Not actually. There was action against Jewish tribes in Medina when they didn't accept Muhammad's religion as the same as theirs. But the Jews always had peoples of the book status and in general fared very much better in Dar al Islam than they did in Christian Europe. Certainly there were execptions but they were rare. The Islamic world offered European Jews a safe haven from Christian persecutions. After 1492, when Ferdinand and Isabella expelled the Jews,many settled in the Ottoman Empire, where they had their own courts and places of worship. It wasn't until Zionism and its British backers that Judaism became a threat. Muslims considered Zionism as just another colonial intrusion until after the horrors of the Holocaust,Westerners,feeling guilt over doing nothing to stop Hitler's madness, found an Israeli state in Palestine a ready made solution to the ever present "Jewish problem" Unfortunately the Palestinians got the shaft, nobody thinking them important enough to count. After that the Arab world used the Palestinian problem to promote some kind of Arab unity. Still nobody much gives a crap about them. Jews were subject to much more violence under Christian rule since Constantine than they ever got from Islam
Al Jazeera.com has a jewish commentator named M J Rosenberg. here's a link to an interesting viewpoint.

[url="http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201128131221271956.html"]Rosenberg[/url]
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Last time I checked, much of the development that the Palestinians are sore about started under the Ottomans. Jews bought land that nobody else was interested in and made them into farms.
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Thats true,the earlier aliyah also did not consist of more than 40,000 people each time but by the 5th aliyah 1929-1939,Jews escaping the Nazi's totaled 250,000. Thats when serious troubles erupted between Arabs and Jews. Brits tried to regulate the immigration and the USA had severe immigration quotas on Jews even after it was known that Nazi policies were causing Jews to try to get out of Europe. Not our finest hour. These people had nowhere to go but Palestine,after the Brits had "promised" them a national home after WW I(they also "promised" Sharif Hussein bin Ali,who began the Arab Revolt that Arab territories under Ottoman rule would be placed under him, as King of the Arabs) By 1930 the Palestinian Arabs were begining to feel the pince. But thats an over simplification, its really more complicated. British handling of the whole affair,like so many of their early 20th century colonial endeavors was deplorable.

[TheScotsman]

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Holy Shit! It worked!
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What's going to be interesting is that it was such a peaceful coup. There is a very real chance people in surrounding nations take this as an example to emulate. It could be the start of some really dynamic changes in the region.

'Rani


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When I see Iran change without murdering people in the streets, women not be killed for what passes for honor, and christian arabs openly exhibit their religion without getting axe-murdered I will believe it. Until then it's all just changing one lot of assholes for another. That's not progress, just a new source of dingle-berries