Rani Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 First of all I started the day with the news announcement that because of the unrest in the Middle East gas prices are once again soaring because the cost of crude is going up. Okay, nice try, but I happen to know the cost of crude is less than 10% of the cost of gasoline. The majority of the costs are in the refining, and we import crude and refine it here. Prices shouldn't be going up more than maybe one or two cents a gallon! But nope, big oil found a handy, dandy excuse for another year of record profits. [b]Do they really think we're that stupid?[/b] I can even prove it's all a scam...... Did you know that the majority of the electricity we consume is produce from massive DIESEL run generators. Did you electric bill soar this month? No? Gee if the cost of crude went up so damn high, how come the electricity companies not screaming and raising your rates? Remember they tried this during Clinton's administration and he started an investigation, and you know what, gas prices dropped like a hot rock. Quaddafi gives an interview and says there haven't been any demonstrations in Libya. His people love him. Nothing we have seen on the news for the past week and a half if true. It's an Al Queda conspiracy to make him look bad [b] Does he really think we're that stupid? [/b] Okay, well, he's probably stupid enough to think we might actually believe him. The "birthers" are at it again, now led by Huckabee. Doesn't anyone know how the Department of Elections works? Do they not have a clue that you have to prove your eligibility to the government before you're allowed to run? Or are they just going to keep throwing mud hoping some tiny bit sticks somewhere anywhere? [b]Do they really think we're that stupid?[/b] [b] [/b] [b]What' is wrong with people today? Nobody has a friggin' clue how things work, and nobody gets loud when we're lied to and manipulated over and over again. I'm starting to think we really are that stupid![/b] [b] [/b] Scotsman, Mustafabey,...... We three need to form a new company. I'm telling you between us three old folks we can start a new "Made in America" manufactured product. i swear, we could make a bloody fortune making and selling stylish tin foil hats. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenFingerBl4ster99 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 The Oil companies are without a doubt price fixing, and it's wrong on all levels considering how rich they already are. But they have to much influence on politics to be stopped, considering most of the big name politicians have their pockets filled with money from these oil companies. Another thing that doesn't make any sense is when something happens and the price of crude goes up, why does that mean that the price of gas immediately goes up over here. They should still continue selling their existing stock at the same price since it was already purchased before whatever incident cause the price to up. But at the moment, everyone needs gas and they have a monopoly on the market. It's not that they think we're all stupid, they just understand that the governments not going to do anything about it and that the publics too tired from working their endless 9-5 and too distracted with the latest xbox game, ipad, netflix etc. to really care about making changes in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted March 2, 2011 Author Share Posted March 2, 2011 Let me add to "What's Wrong With These People?" [url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_tennessee_shariah_law"]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_tennessee_shariah_law[/url] Any day now we'll be back to burning witches, an American version of the Spanish Inquisition, and pogroms. I'm becoming truly disgusted with my own nation. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 People also seem to forget that the majority of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico, Saudi Arabia is the 3rd highest contributer to the US and barely beats Venezuela for that title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenFingerBl4ster99 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 [quote name='Rani' timestamp='1299041898' post='500007'] Let me add to "What's Wrong With These People?" [url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_tennessee_shariah_law"]http://news.yahoo.co...see_shariah_law[/url] Any day now we'll be back to burning witches, an American version of the Spanish Inquisition, and pogroms. I'm becoming truly disgusted with my own nation. 'Rani [/quote] It's almost like they're begging to be attacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 Rani, in total agreement with you... The majority of people will always be ignorant, and make no damn sense. That's the conclusion I've come to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agunn1231 Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 well, we have been relating all of this to stuff that has happened in the past in my western civ class. I just wonder if the people of the US will become fed up and start to fight back. Seems like everywhere else is getting fed up with the BS of the government, just a matter of time here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='Rani' timestamp='1299034398' post='499993'] First of all I started the day with the news announcement that because of the unrest in the Middle East gas prices are once again soaring because the cost of crude is going up. Okay, nice try, but I happen to know the cost of crude is less than 10% of the cost of gasoline. The majority of the costs are in the refining, and we import crude and refine it here. Prices shouldn't be going up more than maybe one or two cents a gallon! But nope, big oil found a handy, dandy excuse for another year of record profits. [b]Do they really think we're that stupid?[/b] I can even prove it's all a scam...... Did you know that the majority of the electricity we consume is produce from massive DIESEL run generators. Did you electric bill soar this month? No? Gee if the cost of crude went up so damn high, how come the electricity companies not screaming and raising your rates? Remember they tried this during Clinton's administration and he started an investigation, and you know what, gas prices dropped like a hot rock. Quaddafi gives an interview and says there haven't been any demonstrations in Libya. His people love him. Nothing we have seen on the news for the past week and a half if true. It's an Al Queda conspiracy to make him look bad [b] Does he really think we're that stupid? [/b] Okay, well, he's probably stupid enough to think we might actually believe him. The "birthers" are at it again, now led by Huckabee. Doesn't anyone know how the Department of Elections works? Do they not have a clue that you have to prove your eligibility to the government before you're allowed to run? Or are they just going to keep throwing mud hoping some tiny bit sticks somewhere anywhere? [b]Do they really think we're that stupid?[/b] [b] [/b] [b]What' is wrong with people today? Nobody has a friggin' clue how things work, and nobody gets loud when we're lied to and manipulated over and over again. I'm starting to think we really are that stupid![/b] [b] [/b] Scotsman, Mustafabey,...... We three need to form a new company. I'm telling you between us three old folks we can start a new "Made in America" manufactured product. i swear, we could make a bloody fortune making and selling stylish tin foil hats. 'Rani [/quote] The DOE thinks your numbers are a figment of someone's imagination. It's more like 67% of the final retail price is the cost of crude. refining is 10 or 11% in taxes average more than refining, at a national avg of around 15%. (at 3.39/gal) I do agree with your overall point, but I think we can take it a step further. The very fastest way to drive up oil prices is to cause unrest in the Middle East. At this point that same unrest is wholly within the borders of, caused by, and benefiting several Middle Eastern countries. After all, as long as they stay in control of the businesses that operate the oil wells,do you really put it beyond the realm of reality to think that oil conglomerates such as Aramco would do their very best to stir up unrest, solely in order to increase the market price of the product? I know how that sounds, I need the tinfoil hat, but throughout history we have seen businesses that have done all they can to profit by any means possible. After all, we see leaders changing, we're hearing Qadhafi sounding completely bat-shit crazy, people being killed in the streets by Bahraini guards units, and throughout it all one constant has remained, the people in charge of the oil are still in charge of the oil, and making more money at it with every last bullet flies. I really don't see what anyone can do about it, but it is one possibility that has to be taken into consideration. global corporations are never going to be good, and they're damn near impossible to get away from. Tinfoil hats! Sounds good! We can even offer an installation for free-I got a big stapler! (make sure those buggers don't blow off!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 My grandfather lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years for Aramco. He'll tell you how corrupt it is. How do we stop it? Get away from oil. Stop sitting on the technology and actually USE it. Problem is, too much money is being made off of them sitting on it, and they're going to milk it for all it's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' timestamp='1299189005' post='500194'] My grandfather lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years for Aramco. He'll tell you how corrupt it is. How do we stop it? Get away from oil. Stop sitting on the technology and actually USE it. Problem is, too much money is being made off of them sitting on it, and they're going to milk it for all it's worth. [/quote] Ok, good idea... but what technology is this you speak of??? Only truly viable alternatives at this point are NG, Coal, and Nuclear. But the current admin will squash any attempt to develop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='TheScotsman' timestamp='1299190946' post='500196'] [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' timestamp='1299189005' post='500194'] My grandfather lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years for Aramco. He'll tell you how corrupt it is. How do we stop it? Get away from oil. Stop sitting on the technology and actually USE it. Problem is, too much money is being made off of them sitting on it, and they're going to milk it for all it's worth. [/quote] Ok, good idea... but what technology is this you speak of??? Only truly viable alternatives at this point are NG, Coal, and Nuclear. But the current admin will squash any attempt to develop them. [/quote] I'm talking about any other alternative to having to use gas- electric, hydrogen, whatever. They have shit to do it, they just don't want to make it mainstream yet cause it'd kill the oil industry and save citizens money. The government doesn't want that, and the oil companies are paying to make sure they stay on top. And it's not just the current administration- remember Bush promised us all these type of cars, eliminating the need for oil? What happened to that? We're all still using oil. Every president promises shit they never make good on. That's why you can't believe a word they say. Yeah we're seeing electric cars and hybrids now, but they're doing it all very slowly and they make them so expensive anyway it deters people from buying them. Let's face it- we're all fucked and our throats are being held. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted March 3, 2011 Share Posted March 3, 2011 [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' timestamp='1299192244' post='500199'] [quote name='TheScotsman' timestamp='1299190946' post='500196'] [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' timestamp='1299189005' post='500194'] My grandfather lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years for Aramco. He'll tell you how corrupt it is. How do we stop it? Get away from oil. Stop sitting on the technology and actually USE it. Problem is, too much money is being made off of them sitting on it, and they're going to milk it for all it's worth. [/quote] Ok, good idea... but what technology is this you speak of??? Only truly viable alternatives at this point are NG, Coal, and Nuclear. But the current admin will squash any attempt to develop them. [/quote] I'm talking about any other alternative to having to use gas- electric, hydrogen, whatever. They have shit to do it, they just don't want to make it mainstream yet cause it'd kill the oil industry and save citizens money. The government doesn't want that, and the oil companies are paying to make sure they stay on top. And it's not just the current administration- remember Bush promised us all these type of cars, eliminating the need for oil? What happened to that? We're all still using oil. Every president promises shit they never make good on. That's why you can't believe a word they say. Yeah we're seeing electric cars and hybrids now, but they're doing it all very slowly and they make them so expensive anyway it deters people from buying them. Let's face it- we're all fucked and our throats are being held. [/quote] while on the surface that sounds like a pretty good idea, if data generated electricity somewhere in from some source. That source also has to be less energy intensive than the amount of energy it will produce over its lifespan. That pretty well with photovoltaic out of the running-in the end it cost more to produce than the cells will ever produce before they degrade. So we have to check that source off. at this point, hydrogen is in the same boat, the energy input and extracting hydrogen is greater than the energy from hydrogen. Again, were forced to check that one off. with current technology wind is slightly more viable, unfortunately, between the tree kissers that are afraid some some poor little birdie is going to smash into a turbine blade, and the people that are afraid that their view might be spoiled by wind farm (Ahem... teddy-the-stif kennedy) the number of locations with substantial infrastructure, insufficient when seem to be rather limited. Take the bunny huggers out of the picture, and build a few transmission lines and wind may become a bit more viable, still, the maximum output under the very best ideal conditions would still account for less than 5% of our current electrical needs. I guess tidal, ocean currents and surface wave generation may be some of the most logical sources, but the technology to utilize them on a commercial scale just really doesn't exist at this point. Geothermal could be successful, but CONUS is seemingly lacking a viable number of active volcanoes. Strangely, we do have one good source! We can build some dams over some rivers! The technology exists, if proven, effective, and easily implemented. Our buddies in China are sure doing a good job of taking all of our money to build enormous hydroelectric plants. But not here-we can do that! Some crazed granola cruncher will have a fit that he has to carry his kayak around the dam, and some other crowd of nut jobs would be in court suing the dam builder because he might drown the pig nosed double spotted flying prairie titmouse.... So, I guess no hydroelectric. Were running out of options here. Basically, electric cars still need electricity or they don't go anywhere. They make a cool planter though, maybe a chicken coop, but without electricity they are not cars. Hybrids as a whole are a joke. my bunny hugging in-laws drive around in a piece of crap new tahoe hybrid 2 Wheel Dr... And get a big whopping 22 miles to the gallon on the highway. Man, isn't that hybrid technology wonderful - my 8,100 pound H1 gets 17 On the Hwy. it is painfully obvious that even if mining the materials to make the battery for the hybrid didn't destroy the environment, any actual advantages has is dubious at best. The USA had a wake-up call back in the mid-70s, with the Arab oil embargo, and no one paid any attention-they hit the snooze button rolled over and went back to sleep. And now, to put it mildly I think were fecked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I'll admit I don't know a thing about it, but it seems to me there are better ways and we could be using them right now. We don't have to be so dependent on oil like we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafabey Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Tinfoil hat is on! First off gas prices are fueled by speculation. We don't even import a sizeable amount of qaddafi's oil and the Saudi's have increased production by 700,000 bbls daily to cover the short fall. We rae paying high gas prices just because some Wall St yuppies can gamble on oil and make those wonderfully obscene profits. Do they think we are stupid? WE ARE STUPID! We believe whats on TV or the radio and if all we listen to is one station, well thats all the info we get. We still believe in silly religious myths,in myths about America,we are truly more interested in Charlie Sheen's latest meltdown than in the situation in the Middle East. Huckabee has set the stage, the main campaign issue is going to be Obama, not the economy,war, Middle East or any other relevant topic. Huckabee is a preacher and he'll bring in all that stuff. The hate and fear. Whenever I drive to the store(a long way out here) I listen to Beck or Limbaugh, those guys are as crazy as Qaddafi and yet people buy their shit 100% Mostly they talk about Obama or lately about the union issue in Wisconsin(scares em silly) They keep telling everyone how wonderful their lifestyle is,all the things they do with their money(mostly Limbaugh who is so very impressed with himself) The poor listen,Oh yes take my money to further "freedom" All the advertisers they have border on scams. Buy gold!! Buy it on credit! Yes we are stupid and we will pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustafabey Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Yes,Scotty, the Arab oil embargo was a awake up call. If had prepared back then we might be ready. I agree with your assessment on cars. Electric cars, where does the electricity come from,burning fossil fuels mostly. Here in the Old Dominion we have a very big coal lobby, no one is going to build hydoelectric anything with that stuff in the ground, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 And as of today, we can consider PEBO to have made another swing & a miss on foreign policy. Time to change that "O" logo to a windmill... 'cause that is all this guy is doing. I'm still waiting for all that respect, and fine standing we were promised when the un-enlightened masses elected this guy. Seems the USA has lost respect as a result. Hell, when France calls you a puss, you got a manhood problem. Really? release SPR? Like that is going to do a damn thing. If it were all released, we would have a 7 to 18 cent impact on petrol prices. I see the wall street $ deciding they had enough business-bashing from the admin. They (wall street) controls the speculation, and therefor the pump price. If they want a pres gone, they up the $, he takes the wrap, and he is gone. Maybe over simplified, but the result is accurate. When the big-O took office, gas was what? 1.90/Gal. Now what is it? $4.00/gal for a sustained period of 6 months is the end of his re-electability. Well, I guess we can call that a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenFingerBl4ster99 Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 There is an NHT that produces a very effective bio fuel. The only problem is the source of the fuel is a plant that cannot be grown in the USA. The use of it however would produce zero emissions and it can be grown all over the globe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 [quote name='GoldenFingerBl4ster99' timestamp='1299541547' post='500575'] There is an NHT that produces a very effective bio fuel. The only problem is the source of the fuel is a plant that cannot be grown in the USA. The use of it however would produce zero emissions and it can be grown all over the globe. [/quote] I am officially offering to work in the production plant if they ever do get it off the ground. 'rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 [quote name='Rani' timestamp='1299549370' post='500593'] [quote name='GoldenFingerBl4ster99' timestamp='1299541547' post='500575'] There is an NHT that produces a very effective bio fuel. The only problem is the source of the fuel is a plant that cannot be grown in the USA. The use of it however would produce zero emissions and it can be grown all over the globe. [/quote] I am officially offering to work in the production plant if they ever do get it off the ground. 'rani [/quote] There goes the production efficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenFingerBl4ster99 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 [quote name='TheScotsman' timestamp='1299561785' post='500619'] [quote name='Rani' timestamp='1299549370' post='500593'] [quote name='GoldenFingerBl4ster99' timestamp='1299541547' post='500575'] There is an NHT that produces a very effective bio fuel. The only problem is the source of the fuel is a plant that cannot be grown in the USA. The use of it however would produce zero emissions and it can be grown all over the globe. [/quote] I am officially offering to work in the production plant if they ever do get it off the ground. 'rani [/quote] There goes the production efficiency. It is the only biomass on the planet capable of making the USA energy independent. They can't hide it's effectiveness from the masses forever. It's only a matter of time. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenFingerBl4ster99 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 [color=#1C2837]It is the only biomass on the planet capable of making the USA energy independent. They can't hide it's effectiveness from the masses forever. It's only a matter of time.[/color] [color="#1C2837"] [/color] [color="#1C2837"]my bad, accidentally made it look like that was part of Rani's post. My bad on the double. [/color] [color="#1C2837"] [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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