CarbonSteel Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Whats the idea for the bowl? I've seen a few of these on line and am curious. Are they any better than the phunnel or egyptian bowls out there now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 Just stick with your regular Tangiers phunnels. Some like it, but I feel it's a novelty bowl and the phunnel outperforms it. I sold mine because it had way too of an open draw, and it was really loud. The idea for it is its a hybrid bowl- half phunnel, half standard. There's two ways you can pack it. 1. Pack the trench tight, and the middle over the holes fluffy (this is Eric's method). 2. Pack just the trench tight, and nothing over the holes in the middle (I only ever got it to smoke well this method). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotsi95 Posted March 9, 2011 Share Posted March 9, 2011 [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' timestamp='1299712153' post='500804'] Just stick with your regular Tangiers phunnels. Some like it, but I feel it's a novelty bowl and the phunnel outperforms it. I sold mine because it had way too of an open draw, and it was really loud. The idea for it is its a hybrid bowl- half phunnel, half standard. There's two ways you can pack it. 1. Pack the trench tight, and the middle over the holes fluffy (this is Eric's method). 2. Pack just the trench tight, and nothing over the holes in the middle (I only ever got it to smoke well this method). [/quote] Good info. Eric originally invented it for people who like to not load there bowls tight/ full and still wanted the shisha to last longer. They arnt new by any means, just having a little comeback I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonSteel Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 i would buy one..hell if its made by eric it would smoke like a champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I've always thought about buying one but I've never gotten around to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I'd get one if they weren't so much and hard to get. They're definitely a novelty bowl and they look bad ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Texas hookah has had them for a while. Now HJ has them. I'll probably get one just to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magick777 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 [size="2"]Not had the original, but, the design itself is sound. Saphire, a German outfit, make a Power Bowl based on this design, slightly wider and shallower than the original. Much more flexible than a phinnel, it smokes VERY well indeed with Nak packed hard around the edges and similar to an Egyptian (more than sprinkled, but not packed tight) over the holes; it smokes OK with AF sprinkled in and it can easily be packed like a phunnel for Tangiers. This design is the single best flavour retaining bowl that I have, out of more than a dozen.[/size] [size="2"] [/size] [size="2"]I'm intrigued by Chris's comment that "[color=#1C2837]it had way too of an open draw", as to me that's a conceptual impossibility. Yes, the draw on the type I have, with 8 x 4mm holes, is so open that I can put the bowl in my mouth and breathe comfortably through it for an extended period. It is easily restricted to the desired degree by judicious packing and by moderating the amount of holes in the foil. How is this a bad thing? Why would you want a bowl to impose restrictions on the draw?[/color][/size] [size="2"][color="#1C2837"] [/color][/size] [size="2"][color="#1C2837"]Sure, if you only smoke Tang, it's not better than a phunnel in terms of flavour retention and longevity. but, the version I have (which, I reiterate, is not the original) is the best overall design out of over $200 worth of bowls I've bought in the last few months. [/color][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Exactly what you said... it's TOO unrestricted. There needs to be at least a TINY bit of restriction. This bowl (at least mine) didn't have that. It just wasn't as enjoyable for me. In my opinion, if the draw is too wide, it impacts the flavor rather than helps it. It was just a really odd experience for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainUM Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 i feel like if the draw on the bowl is too wide you will end up potentially pulling in more air than smoke after a certain point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magick777 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 I still don't get why this is the fault of the bowl, or why we would want the bowl to impose that airflow restriction. By the time the bowl is set up to smoke, the draw is restricted to a user-selected extent by the shisha and the foil. My Power Bowl, set up right, smokes with about the same resistance as an Egyptian bowl, perhaps fractionally less down to personal preference, but certainly not so you can breathe right through it. i think I can see where the different views originate from; going by your pics and vids, you're more generous with the holes in your foil than I am. A large, 9cm diameter bowl gets stabbed about 8 times with a fork here, the 32 small holes are probably no more than a quarter of the bowl's surface area, at most. If and when that proves insufficient, which very occasionally it does, there's room to put the same again. So, we agree that some resistance is the norm. This leaves me with a confusion: why would you want a hard flow restriction imposed upon you by the bowl, as opposed to a soft restriction by how you pack it and foil it? I have a few bowls with more restrictive airflow, and putting more holes in my foil does not fix either the holes being more prone to blocking up, or the additional restriction of airflow caused by packing over the holes, depending on the bowl design. I don't see it as much different to arguing for a narrower hose, which obviously, nobody is doing. My thinking has always been that I want the minimum restriction possible from the bowl, stem and hose, on the basis that I can play with water levels, packing and foiling on a case by case basis. Obviously, this isn't a right/wrong debate here, but, what is the case for taking a more restrictive setup as your starting point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Okay, there's something odd about packing just the trench of the super chief and there being all that open space in the middle of the bowl. Not only is it a VERY open airflow, but it is also what enables it to be so loud while taking a pull. It's a different experience than smoking with a phunnel bowl. In my opinion, the phunnel is better than the super chief. As for wanting a little bit of restriction, without some restriction you're just breathing in air. The restriction helps concentrate the flavor. This is precisely why a lot of people do not like KM hookahs. They are one of the widest-gauge hookahs on the market, meaning less restriction. Mya is a good hookah that I feel has a really nice amount of restriction. Same for Nour and Al Nawras hookahs (and other similar Syrians). I appreciate both slightly-restrictive and more-open. IMO, the Tangiers phunnel is perfect, whereas the super chief is too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian_villager Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I actually prefer my small chief over any bowl. I feel that it is the best for heat management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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