mushrat Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 See what a nice and mature group of people we are dealing with here? [quote]Sent Yesterday, 04:43 PM Honestly, I'm quite disappointed you didn't take the time to understand both sides, as you only received a very one-sided version of the chat conversation. I'm sure you didn't hear how I told Inc I had absolutely no problems following the rules, how I told him that, in hearing the history of bad ppl trolling, I understand the rule for stating your name, and how I told him I would make sure I always did that from now on. What I'm sure you heard a VERSION of is me telling him I disagree with the way he handled it. I told him that if I had come in as "z" and he said "Hey Z, we've had a problem with trollers in the past, so I'm going to have to ask you to identify yourself or I'll be forced to ban you from TC", then that would have been completely understandable, good communication, and appropriate. I also told him to look up the definition of trolling, and that my silence for 1 minute in the chatroom doesn't come close to a troll, so there was no good grounds to ban, not to mention the rule isn't even listed anywhere as far as I understand it. For all I know, he could have been making up rules just because he feels like it, and that's why I came to you. That's when I was told I was being disrespectful to a mod and I'm at the brinking point of being banned. I stated that respect isn't found in titles, its found in the way you treat ppl, and I also told him if he acted more responsibly, he would have my complete respect. If you are truly saying that everyone gets treated the same by Incubus, then I actually pity the members of the hookahforum and can understand where hassouni is coming from when he says the forum is dying. If you want to continue to have the same conversations with the same 10-15 core ppl on the forum, by golly go do it. I find it hard to believe that you put so much complete trust in the hands of a 20 yr old... and yes I'm bringing out his age because he's barely out of teenage years, can't even order a beer, and is extremely ban-happy. Before I knew his age, I had a huge problem with his egotism and arrogance on chat, and I mostly kept my mouth shut. Its not hard to see that, if I don't stroke the guy's dick, he will have a problem with me if we don't see eye to eye on something, and communicating w/ one another and talking it out is above him... either you agree with him, or you are banned for disrespecting a mod. This email does not serve to get my account back... after your email, it has been obvious that hookahforum.com is not inviting to outsiders, and unless there is a change in attitude with the administrators, it'll end like Hookah Bliss. Good luck. [/quote] I am thinking while the forum my not be the ZOO that other forums are, we do ok. Personally I like having a small group of knowledgeable people to discuss hookah with and the occasional new person looking for info, not commercials. If folks have an issue with a moderator, feel free to PM me. They will stay private with me and I will take all serious comments, well, seriously. But one thing i like about this place is that you all are NOT shy about speaking your mind. As for my business, I would like to tell the MANAGER of lazy days that if he would care to open his own business, instead of just running someone elses, he may find it a little different. Also, MY business closed because the state said what I was doing is illegal. How does that reflect on ME exactly? Oh and for starting a second account as well. The LZD gang is history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 *sigh* I like how he says you only got one side of the story, when all I did was tell you to check the chat logs. Therefore, you got to see EXACTLY what was said, no "he said this" bullshit. For anyone interested in seeing the chat logs, go to the Hookah Chat Archive and look at "Yesterday's Shouts" on the quick filter. Look at March 11, 2011 4:11AM Central to 4:43AM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcK Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 In his e-mail, he used in ONE sentence the following words in the following order: hard, stroke, dick, and "eye to eye". Apparently he doesn't have an issue with Chris, but merely.wishes to stroke his hard dick whilst being eye to eye with Chris. Fuck Joshua, he can find his own eye to eye partner. And like mush said, I like the small, close-knit community. That's what regulars are, and that's what ultimately drives a community. If he was an actual SUCCESSFUL business man, he'd understand regulars = bread and butter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Here, so you guys don't have to even search for it: LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:11 AM) it's banning "z" for "trolling" that gets me INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:15 AM) hahahaa INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:15 AM) so you were z? INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:16 AM) Like I said... INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:16 AM) IF you come into TC and don't say who you are from HF, it's assumed you're there to troll. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:16 AM) I'm guessing you or one of your buddies was z in TC. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:17 AM) Next time just state who you are and you're good. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:17 AM) well that's good proof of the old motto about assumptions LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:17 AM) here's the thin LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:17 AM) *thing LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:18 AM) i just got done s hutting down the lounge, wanted to get on to see if anybody was sitll up and conversing, but just hit a letter to get back to my sidework... and when i come back to the screen, i'm being threatened about being banned just for being there w/o a recognizeable name LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:18 AM) that doesn't seem abrasive to you in the least? INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:18 AM) We have to assume. Otherwise, why would a person get on a private room under a disguised name, and not say anything? LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:19 AM) how would they get the pass? INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:19 AM) I'm sorry if it came off as abrasive to you. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:19 AM) But we have had serious trolling issues in the past with TC. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:19 AM) That's why its got the password on it now. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:19 AM) i just don't understand how that's trolling... Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:20 AM) josh we do it all the time, because some people pass out the info and shouldn't LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:20 AM) you gotta see it from my perspective for just a minute... i don't know you that well, but from what i see, a lot of ppl on here like you, which means you are a pretty nice guy to those ppl INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:20 AM) Anyone can make an account on HF, ask for the password on here, and someone might give it to them, even though you're not supposed to for brand new members, for that very purpose... Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:20 AM) everyone goes through it until we know them LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) and the first thing that happens when i get on is an attack. i understand you gotta look out for trollers, but there is tact involved INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) You don't have to like me. But there are rules, and there's ways we do things around here. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) no direspect allstar LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) there's a right way to do it and a wrong way INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) Ok... Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) it happened to me for a long while, until I had some steady time at home that I could get on LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) you'll end up w/ no-little forum if you continue to treat newer members that way INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) I at first asked "Who is z on HF?" Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:21 AM) I still have people do it to me, because I will be here for a month then disappear for 3-4 at a time INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:22 AM) Didn't get an answer. So what other assumption am I to make other than it's a troll? LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:22 AM) im more than willing to cooperate LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:22 AM) and i've made fast friends on here with those that are willing and are open to new ppl LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:22 AM) but guy, i honestly don't want to put up with that crap again INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:23 AM) This is exactly why I'm looking to get TC integrated back into the forum... so people HAVE to log in under their username on here. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:23 AM) Log in under your usual name, and you'll be fine, like I already said. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:24 AM) [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet"]http://en.wikipedia....Troll_(Internet[/url]) INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:24 AM) We're open to new people. That's not a problem here. Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:24 AM) Chris I think that is a great idea, that is why I always do it LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:24 AM) when that happens, feel free to ban me LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:24 AM) learn the definition of troll first INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:24 AM) *sigh* LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:24 AM) secondly, i'll be fine if i choose the name "kumquat" because i have just as much right to tc as anybody else, being an avid hookah smoker LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:25 AM) unless i start flaming somebody, you let it be INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:25 AM) Look.. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:25 AM) If you don't like the way things are here, that's fine. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:26 AM) But there's reasons why the things are the way they are. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:26 AM) We're not doing it to be dicks. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:26 AM) We're doing it cause of problems in the past. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:26 AM) it has nothin to do with the way things are here... if it's not an arrogant 20 yr old, then i'm great LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:26 AM) ok incubus INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:26 AM) If you were here for some of the shit that has gone down, you'd understand. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:27 AM) like i said, i think you are a great guy i just haven't gotten to know yet LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:27 AM) but im telling you it came across as very dickish... but you apparently have a history w/ some bad ppl LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:27 AM) so i'll respect that LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:27 AM) i will always post my username in TC INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:28 AM) It's not ME that has a history with bad people. It's the forum. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:28 AM) if you can tell me you won't jump to conclusions the next time a new(er) user joins tc w/o his hf name LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:28 AM) cause it almost caused me to leave the forums entirely... personally i was going to wait to see how it all played out INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:29 AM) Well, I'm sorry you don't agree with the way things are done around here. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:30 AM) And I'm sorry you've taken it out on me personally. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:30 AM) hahaha you still don't understand man, and that's fine... because w/ time cmes maturity LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:30 AM) there's a right way to handle something, and a wrong way LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:30 AM) you chose the wrong way INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:30 AM) I'm going to let the disrespect you've shown towards me slide for today. INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:31 AM) Okay, so you're calling me arrogant and immature now? LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:31 AM) if you had said, "hey Z, we don't know who you are, and because we've had trouble in the past w/ ppl trolling, we have to ask you to identify or i'll be forced to ban" LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:31 AM) that's that arrogance im talking about... incubus... you are far from God bro LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:32 AM) you didn't say that... you said "who the hell are you? tell me or im banning you" INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:32 AM) I chose the wrong way? Sorry to tell you this... but it's the way EVERYONE does it on here. I don't know why you're saying it's just me. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:32 AM) any one with half a wit isn't going to stand for that LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:32 AM) okay, then... that's actually good information to have if its true LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:33 AM) maybe mushrat is the only one on the forums with manners LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:33 AM) that'sreally sad Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:33 AM) actually you are the first to complain, most people say sorry and then tell who they are INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:33 AM) I'm going to give you one chance to drop this now. Because mod decisions are normally not open for discussion. But I decided to try to talk with you about it. But you continue to be disrespectful. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:34 AM) yeah, allstar, cause i don't like to put up with BS, that's why i complain INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:35 AM) It's not BS... *sigh* INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:35 AM) Look LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:35 AM) incubus honestly you're threats aren't working on me... your a 20 yr old kid with a ban-happy attitude. do w/e you want... not being a part of this forum wouldn't be the worst thing in the world rofl INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:35 AM) I don't have to talk to you about this any further. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:36 AM) i'll just wait to hear back from adam about it INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:36 AM) Again with the disrespect towards a mod... INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:36 AM) I'm going to let it go, if you let it go. But you get this one chance to do so. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:37 AM) You don't get respect from a title... you get respect by the way you treat others. When you act like a responsible moderator for this forum, youw ill have my complete respect Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:37 AM) Josh separate question, why is your shop on the banned list for hampton roads military LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:37 AM) cause we sell spice INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:38 AM) We'll see ya in 7 days. And if you come back with the same attitude, it'll be a permanent ban. LZDjoshua : (11 March 2011 - 04:38 AM) and NORFOLK... man that city has given us so much grief. even though we don't sell spice, they have made us close at 12am INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:39 AM) Sorry Tony.... INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:39 AM) I'm not going to argue with him anymore... Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:39 AM) its ok, no worry for me Allstar : (11 March 2011 - 04:40 AM) well I need to go do some work for a little bit, I will be back in a little bit INCUBUSRATM : (11 March 2011 - 04:43 AM) k, later man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 And I guess he wasn't as down with the rules as he said he was because he obviously missed the part about automatic permaban if you make a second account. People, if you really do have a problem with me or the way I conduct my moderator duties, please don't only PM Mush but PM me as well. I feel, however, that I'm actually pretty easy-going and quite fair when it comes to being a mod on here. I don't know, though, maybe you guys are seeing something I am not. In the case of Joshua and the LZD crew, I think he misunderstood the "reveal or ban" comment in TC, and then used that as a way to start shit. I don't believe I did anything wrong. But please, tell me if you think I did, because honestly, this was the first time I dealt with a situation like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jester Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 wow calling you ban-happy he obviously doesn't know about mushrats ban-streak and ban-memory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1299933968' post='501204'] See what a nice and mature group of people we are dealing with here? [quote]Sent Yesterday, 04:43 PM Honestly, I'm quite disappointed you didn't take the time to understand both sides, as you only received a very one-sided version of the chat conversation. I'm sure you didn't hear how I told Inc I had absolutely no problems following the rules, how I told him that, in hearing the history of bad ppl trolling, I understand the rule for stating your name, and how I told him I would make sure I always did that from now on. What I'm sure you heard a VERSION of is me telling him I disagree with the way he handled it. I told him that if I had come in as "z" and he said "Hey Z, we've had a problem with trollers in the past, so I'm going to have to ask you to identify yourself or I'll be forced to ban you from TC", then that would have been completely understandable, good communication, and appropriate. I also told him to look up the definition of trolling, and that my silence for 1 minute in the chatroom doesn't come close to a troll, so there was no good grounds to ban, not to mention the rule isn't even listed anywhere as far as I understand it. For all I know, he could have been making up rules just because he feels like it, and that's why I came to you. That's when I was told I was being disrespectful to a mod and I'm at the brinking point of being banned. I stated that respect isn't found in titles, its found in the way you treat ppl, and I also told him if he acted more responsibly, he would have my complete respect. If you are truly saying that everyone gets treated the same by Incubus, then I actually pity the members of the hookahforum and can understand where hassouni is coming from when he says the forum is dying. If you want to continue to have the same conversations with the same 10-15 core ppl on the forum, by golly go do it. I find it hard to believe that you put so much complete trust in the hands of a 20 yr old... and yes I'm bringing out his age because he's barely out of teenage years, can't even order a beer, and is extremely ban-happy. Before I knew his age, I had a huge problem with his egotism and arrogance on chat, and I mostly kept my mouth shut. Its not hard to see that, if I don't stroke the guy's dick, he will have a problem with me if we don't see eye to eye on something, and communicating w/ one another and talking it out is above him... either you agree with him, or you are banned for disrespecting a mod. This email does not serve to get my account back... after your email, it has been obvious that hookahforum.com is not inviting to outsiders, and unless there is a change in attitude with the administrators, it'll end like Hookah Bliss. Good luck. [/quote] I am thinking while the forum my not be the ZOO that other forums are, we do ok. Personally I like having a small group of knowledgeable people to discuss hookah with and the occasional new person looking for info, not commercials. If folks have an issue with a moderator, feel free to PM me. They will stay private with me and I will take all serious comments, well, seriously. But one thing i like about this place is that you all are NOT shy about speaking your mind. As for my business, I would like to tell the MANAGER of lazy days that if he would care to open his own business, instead of just running someone elses, he may find it a little different. Also, MY business closed because the state said what I was doing is illegal. How does that reflect on ME exactly? Oh and for starting a second account as well. The LZD gang is history. [/quote] Yeah. Only one united HF gang allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='The Jester' timestamp='1299940604' post='501211'] wow calling you ban-happy he obviously doesn't know about mushrats ban-streak and ban-memory [/quote] hey now, I'm not ban happy...im just thorough. Btw hold REEEAL still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jester Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 nah, I didn't mean to call you ban-happy I simply meant that you ban more often but thats what a mod should do...you're here to make order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted March 12, 2011 Author Share Posted March 12, 2011 it's ok...i still have a sense of humour... Besides, if i can't laugh at myself, how can i laugh at all of you...er...hmm...well..you know what i mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jester Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Wow! Talk about having an ego and then blaming others of having the same! Edited March 12, 2011 by vendetta_revived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeDave Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 The only time I have an issue with Chris is when he won't get on cam to show dem b-e-a-utiful teffers in TC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='TheyCallMeDave' timestamp='1299951145' post='501222'] The only time I have an issue with Chris is when he won't get on cam to show dem b-e-a-utiful teffers in TC. [/quote] No comment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeDave Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' timestamp='1299955757' post='501225'] [quote name='TheyCallMeDave' timestamp='1299951145' post='501222'] The only time I have an issue with Chris is when he won't get on cam to show dem b-e-a-utiful teffers in TC. [/quote] No comment... [/quote] Lol think about that next time you select to broadcast. BACK ON TOPIC. This forum isn't a playground. If you can't follow simple rules and have decency for one another on an online forum, you probably won't be able to do it anywhere else. I love this place. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleman Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Well this is interesting. I dont see how anyone could have a problem with Chris. But he probably read it and thought it wasnt much of a warning but more of a threat. To bad for him though, because I truly enjoy the regulars of the forum. They have helped me with loads of different things. just my 00.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allstar Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Well it isn't a surprise that you would get this from lazy days. They were recently put on the BAN list for military in the Virginia Beach because they sell spice. Usually when this happens to a company in the area, they will change because they want the militaries business. I guess it just isn't worth me risking getting caught going there, now that I know what kind of people they are. Oh well such as life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainUM Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) [quote name='INCUBUSRATM' timestamp='1299938667' post='501208'] And I guess he wasn't as down with the rules as he said he was because he obviously missed the part about automatic permaban if you make a second account. People, if you really do have a problem with me or the way I conduct my moderator duties, please don't only PM Mush but PM me as well. I feel, however, that I'm actually pretty easy-going and quite fair when it comes to being a mod on here. I don't know, though, maybe you guys are seeing something I am not. In the case of Joshua and the LZD crew, I think he misunderstood the "reveal or ban" comment in TC, and then used that as a way to start shit. I don't believe I did anything wrong. But please, tell me if you think I did, because honestly, this was the first time I dealt with a situation like this. [/quote] chris, shut up. you are doing a great job at being a mod [quote name='TheyCallMeDave' timestamp='1299951145' post='501222'] The only time I have an issue with Chris is when he won't get on cam to show dem b-e-a-utiful teffers in TC. [/quote] i know, right? he keeps refusing to get on cam all in all i think he is just mad that a 20 year old that cant even buy a beer knows more about hookah than he does Edited March 12, 2011 by IainUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 there's a LZD crew? what the heck did I miss in the last 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 WAIT WAIT WAIT ! STOP THE BOAT! How can there be a LZD crew when he only had 10 posts? what up wit dat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 they were a few guys who worked at a lounge that would log into TC...there'd be like 3-4 of them on the cam. i guess that's the "crew" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
claytronmeans Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 lol I run into this all the time on another forum; people just don't understand that rules need to be followed and no matter how much you complain the punishment isn't going to be reversed. Just follow the rules in the future and you'll be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yeah, there was LZDjoshua, LZDstephen, and LZDdavid, all employees from that lounge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikemyusername Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 wow. Were they "cool guys"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 [quote name='ilikemyusername' timestamp='1299986471' post='501273'] wow. Were they "cool guys"? [/quote] The best of the best, can't ya tell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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