Benefits Of A Khalil Mamoon?

[Arcane]

Rani's right. I was just using reductio ad absurdum.

I know Chris wouldn't trade his OG stem for anything, let alone a Mya Double Bubble.Myas and KMs are vastly different. Although, I could see the argue still standing if taken to a explicitly literal basis. A top quality Mya (or other machine made hookah) should be exactly as desirable as a top quality KM (or other handmade hookah). But, our preferences both aesthetically and functionally, will lead us to value one over the other.

HOWEVER, if anyone wants to trade a nice KM for a Mya Double Bubble...I'll hook you up! Edited April 16, 2011 by Arcane

[Kapten Kanel]

Im quite sure a MYA QT or any MYA (maybe except econo) would "outlive" even the best KM (if your lucky enough to not get scratches, shitty leaky welds etc...). If you buy a MYA, you know what you get, a KM? Not so much. KM:s are produced in a developing country in probably less then decent conditions by underpaid employees, some people believe scratches, crappy welds etc give "personality" and so on, its exotic, i understand that and to some degree (little) agree with that, but...

I myself have a 38" KM ice (i realize those doesnt have the same quality as a trimetal and similar), i love it and was ecstatic when it arrived. Some of the welds, well, drunk people come to mind, maybe i had bad luck, but thats also kinda the point im trying to prove.

Lets look at it this way - For the next 30 years, you can only have one hookah, if it brakes, no more shisha for you. KM or MYA? (A new one will be bought, so your rare perfect trimetal doesnt count )

/Rant

[littlec]

[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1302979640' post='505650']<br />[quote name='littlec' timestamp='1302977781' post='505646']<br />
[quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1302750627' post='505409']<br />[quote name='INCUBUSRATM' timestamp='1302745145' post='505403']I agree with ya, Rani. They could be machine-made for all I care, as long as it's good quality.[/quote]I'll trade you my Mya Double Bubble stem for your OG Tri then. <img src='http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='<img src='http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />' /> Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br /><br />
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Hahahah touché sir idk anyone that would trade a KM for a mya so IMO you should take any pro-machined talk with grain of salt because the real world implications tell a different story<br />
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Quick, look up...... There goes the point soaring over your head.... my OG tri-metal could be machine made. It would not make a difference to me. It would still have the closed heart, would still have the extra wide down stem, would still look traditional. It happens to be hand made, but if it looked and functioned the same it wouldn't matter if it were machine made. When you talk Mya versus KM, you're not just talking machine made versus hand made. You're talking apples and oranges. Both might be great, but they don't look or taste alike. And they wouldn't if the Mya were hand made and the KM machine made. It's the design that works. How it got made is beside the point.<br />
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'Rani<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />

Well idk how you would have a traditional chamber (or closed heart? Whatever I've seen it called here) with a machine made KM as it's just not feasible with cost effective machinery that's why mya has open heart or chambers like they do because it's a die-cast hookah aka machine made. You couldn't make anything like a KM with the methods machine made hookahs are built with so idk it's a bit of a moot point you made and that's probably why I didn't address what you said thoroughly in my first post. Is it possible to make a KM copy on a machine? Sure but it would probably cost at least twice as much for the additional processes vs having having someone in the middle of the desert weld the machine made pieces together by hand and etch all the detail work by hand. Idk I've never had a KM pipe that I looked at and thought "gee that would be soooo much better it it was welded together or cut out by a laser using a machine". I like my KM not because it is perfect but because a machine couldn't build a better hookah that I can afford.

[littlec]

[quote name='Kapten Kanel' timestamp='1302985807' post='505664']<br />Im quite sure a MYA QT or any MYA (maybe except econo) would "outlive" even the best KM (if your lucky enough to not get scratches, shitty leaky welds etc...). If you buy a MYA, you know what you get, a KM? Not so much. KM:s are produced in a developing country in probably less then decent conditions by underpaid employees, some people believe scratches, crappy welds etc give "personality" and so on, its exotic, i understand that and to some degree (little) agree with that, but...<br />
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I myself have a 38" KM ice (i realize those doesnt have the same quality as a trimetal and similar), i love it and was ecstatic when it arrived. Some of the welds, well, drunk people come to mind, maybe i had bad luck, but thats also kinda the point im trying to prove.<br />
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Lets look at it this way - For the next 30 years, you can only have one hookah, if it brakes, no more shisha for you. KM or MYA? (A new one will be bought, so your rare perfect trimetal doesnt count <img src='http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />)<br />
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/Rant<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />


KM for sure the mya is more likely to rust out in the next 30 years because of the way the metal is unfinished and exposed on the other side from the die cast process. Once that starts to oxidize say bye bye hookah.

[Kapten Kanel]

[quote name='littlec' timestamp='1302994044' post='505680']
[quote name='Kapten Kanel' timestamp='1302985807' post='505664']<br />Im quite sure a MYA QT or any MYA (maybe except econo) would "outlive" even the best KM (if your lucky enough to not get scratches, shitty leaky welds etc...). If you buy a MYA, you know what you get, a KM? Not so much. KM:s are produced in a developing country in probably less then decent conditions by underpaid employees, some people believe scratches, crappy welds etc give "personality" and so on, its exotic, i understand that and to some degree (little) agree with that, but...<br />
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I myself have a 38" KM ice (i realize those doesnt have the same quality as a trimetal and similar), i love it and was ecstatic when it arrived. Some of the welds, well, drunk people come to mind, maybe i had bad luck, but thats also kinda the point im trying to prove.<br />
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Lets look at it this way - For the next 30 years, you can only have one hookah, if it brakes, no more shisha for you. KM or MYA? (A new one will be bought, so your rare perfect trimetal doesnt count <img src='http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />)<br />
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KM for sure the mya is more likely to rust out in the next 30 years because of the way the metal is unfinished and exposed on the other side from the die cast process. Once that starts to oxidize say bye bye hookah.
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Rust? Its brass we are talking about here, the only way a MYA can give up is by somehow fuc*ing up the threads for the hoseport/downstem etc. If anything the welds (what does it consist of?) on a KM is prone to damage/oxidation and how different types of metals react with eachother (galvanic current?) is also an issue. KM hoseports are a classic example.

[UltimateHookah]

KM is my favorite by far, even with their hand made flaws. Tey just seem to smoke better with their wider gauges.

[ianj317]

theres a cult following behind them. all of whats been said on here is accurate. their amazing. plus they look better than most others imo. buying a KM means buying a piece of hand made art that you can display and be proud of.

[Mr Flavour]

KM give off such big clouds of smoke and tend to have a more traditional design.
Mya shisha also give good smoke and have a more contemporary look. However the best shisha for looks would have to be the [url="http://www.medusedesign.com/index.php/about-us"]Meduse Design[/url] range they really do look incredible.
From personal experience though, you cant go wrong with a Khalil Mamoon trimetal or quadmetal

[king_lunchb0x]

i agree wiith Rani, even if they were machined i would still 99% buy one just because of function and style. The only reason i dont like most myas is because of style not becuase of how they are made.