gigi Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 This article came in the mail in one of my husbands medical magazines . Damn ittttttttttt http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21030492 Tell me what y'all think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 'Highly vague' comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Same exact effects happen to me after a steak dinner and couple of throws in the sack with the misses. Acute studies are meaningless. Worse things happen than that breathing in the air in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryno Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 You mean smokings not healthy and my CO levels will rise? Never would/ve thunk it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I had a blood test done not too long ago - results came back A+. Doc also said my lungs sounded fine. Results inconclusive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plex Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 When i read the 'conclusion' i cant help but feel the goal of the study was to 'find evidence to support the control of hookah' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plex Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1307755685' post='512320'] I had a blood test done not too long ago - results came back A+. Doc also said my lungs sounded fine. Results inconclusive? [/quote] How often do you smoke, what tobacco and coals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Plex' timestamp='1307792690' post='512336'] [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1307755685' post='512320'] I had a blood test done not too long ago - results came back A+. Doc also said my lungs sounded fine. Results inconclusive? [/quote] How often do you smoke, what tobacco and coals? [/quote] As a matter of fact, I too had a blood test done because of some muscular skeletal disorder in my back, and my results were no different. I don't know about Hassouni, but I've been smoking 2 bowls a day (appx 4 hours total) daily for the past 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agunn1231 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 have not had any blood work done, but, i have been able to make it up and down 3 flights of staris multiple times in a row with out being winded, thats whith smoking about 4 bowls a day 2+ hours a bowl. and back when i smoke cigs al the time too i sure couldnt make it up the stairs to my apartment even once with out getting winded. and i have asthma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Even if they found out "WPS" was worse for you than we think I'd still be smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazar Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 (edited) I don't see anything "wrong" with this study (and it doesn't seem all that biased either, but I haven't read it through, so ...). Hookah being harmful isn't really news (and it's not like this study goes for the "WORSE THAN A MILLION CIGARETTES" kind of portrayal). As far as I can see this study only talks about very short term effects of hookah smoking. Personally I'd really like to see some work on the long term effects (for everyday smokers), but hookah being as new as it is in the west it's not really surprising that there's a lack of material on this. Oh well. I'm a weekly smoker, so I don't really worry. Edited June 11, 2011 by Balthazar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Plex' timestamp='1307792690' post='512336'] [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1307755685' post='512320'] I had a blood test done not too long ago - results came back A+. Doc also said my lungs sounded fine. Results inconclusive? [/quote] How often do you smoke, what tobacco and coals? [/quote] It depends. When I go to Lebanon it's usually every day (usually AF, wood coals), and when I get back from there for the first few weeks its SEVERAL times a week if not every day. However now that I've been back for a month, I'm smoking 2-3 times a week. At home it's AF, Nakhla, Tangiers, with coconut coals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plex Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Balthazar' timestamp='1307806746' post='512343'] I don't see anything "wrong" with this study (and it doesn't seem all that biased either, but I haven't read it through, so ...). Hookah being harmful isn't really news (and it's not like this study goes for the "WORSE THAN A MILLION CIGARETTES" kind of portrayal). [/quote] The conclusion is opinion/conjecture. It's funny, 'WPS' can be changed to many other things which can potentially have a worse impact on health. "CONCLUSION: This study shows that <insert here> causes acute biologic changes that might result in marked health problems. It adds to the growing evidence that <insert here> is harmful and supports interventions to control the continuing global spread of <insert here>, especially among youth." Try words like 'candy', 'junk food', 'soft drinks', 'fluoride', 'pesticides', 'mercury', 'artificial sweeteners', 'camp fires', many kinds of 'medicine', 'cell phones', 'vaccines', etc, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plex Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1307807086' post='512344'] It depends. When I go to Lebanon it's usually every day (usually AF, wood coals), and when I get back from there for the first few weeks its SEVERAL times a week if not every day. However now that I've been back for a month, I'm smoking 2-3 times a week. At home it's AF, Nakhla, Tangiers, with coconut coals [/quote] Interesting how the pattern seems to be 'i smoke hookah often and have A+ health.' Evidence which contradicts their conclusion that the 'spread of hookah needs to be controlled' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazar Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 [quote name='Plex' timestamp='1307809286' post='512346'] "CONCLUSION: This study shows that <insert here> causes acute biologic changes that might result in marked health problems. It adds to the growing evidence that <insert here> is harmful and supports interventions to control the continuing global spread of <insert here>, especially among youth." Try words like 'candy', 'junk food', 'soft drinks', 'fluoride', 'pesticides', 'mercury', 'artificial sweeteners', 'camp fires', many kinds of 'medicine', 'cell phones', 'vaccines', etc, etc... [/quote] Yeah, but how does that change anything? If your objection is that this really isn't news, then I agree. If not, I'm having a hard time seeing what you're criticizing here. Conclusions are usually pretty general. Read the main text if you're looking for [i]numbers[/i] and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shishologist Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Remember that the government in USA makes more money from cigarette tobacco produced within the states or imported than from any hookah tobacco. Restriction of the hookah based on phony scientific "evidence" is another move against the middle east. The middle east is profiting from producing this kind of tobacco, and that might bother some Western nations, especially seeing countries they used to exploit begin to emancipate themselves. It's a political issue as well. Don't forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazar Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 (edited) "Restriction of the hookah based on phony scientific "evidence" is another move against the middle east." That's a conspiracy theory it's hard to take seriously. Even if you believe politicians really care enough about the microscopical market share of hookah to risk being exposed for paying for lies, this study says nothing too controversial about the subject matter. And it [i]in no way[/i] argues that cigarettes (or any other kind of US made tobacco) is a good alternative to shisha. Quite contrary to your claims, Swedish snus is often mentioned as a "healthier" alternative to cigarettes. I guess there's a high level conspiracy going on to make Sweden the new global hegemon or something. Edited June 12, 2011 by Balthazar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 A gov't study. Sure, they can be relied on to not be full of BS ----- Right???? I think it's the water in the vase that does it... after all, everyone that has ever drank the stuff dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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