Val Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Hey guys and gals, I have a great idea for a hookah design and the plan is to go production with it. I am not yet ready to disclose the main design parts, but i would be really glad if some of the more experienced users could chime in and discuss what they want and dont want to see. Here is a list of topics i would like to cover: 1. Thickness of the stem, the hose. The idea here is to make as little resistance to smoking as possible. I am still working out the equations and it can get very confusing. General rule of thumb seems to be - the thinker the better. If you look up flow resistance equation, resistance to flow in a tube is directly proportional to the length, but inversely proportional to the FORTH power of diameter. So each little increase in diameter goes a long way to making smoking easier. However, it may also be the case that the more air volume you have, the more negative pressure you have to create for the smoke to go through the water. To be honest im not totally sure. It is obvious that the amount of stem submertion is the most critical part here, but for the best hookah design we have to optimize other variables as well. So what do you guys think about how to make easiest smoking hookah? The thinckness for both stem and hose im looking at right now is 18-22mm. 2. Air chamber volume. Again, relating to the above, it seems that the bigger the air volume above water, the harder to smoke. But what are the disadvantages of a small air chamber? The only one that some to my mind is that water bubbles might get into the hose easier. 3. Design of the bottom of the stem. Smoke passing through water is what makes a hookah a hookah. A critical part of any hookah, yet all hookahs use a straight cut pipe. Is this really the best design? Many people get diffuser mod, but often complain that bubbles are way too small. I was thinking about making triangular cuts on the bottom of the stem of avarage size to get an effect somewhere between a straight cut pipe and a diffuser. This will also make sure that bubbles go on all sides. What do you think? 4. Price considerations. The total cost of production alone adds up to something like $100 bucks. Do you think people would be willing to pay $200-250 for an original hookah design that has some significant smoking advantages over traditional design? If you have any other ideas feel free to discuss them as well. Any productive input is very welcome. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 1 - Make sure the hose port is also very open. Lots of hookahs have what appears to be an excellent, wide downstem. However, the draw is still poor because it bottlenecks so badly at the hose port. 2 - The amount of air space in the vase has never seemed to have any notable effect on the water pressure in my experience. 3 - The diffuser idea is possibly cool. Instead of triangular holes, it would probably be easier to drill normal circular holes. And less risk for leaving jagged edges. 4 - Yes, and no. Yes, people will pay a lot for a hookah, but if it costs more than the industry standards, then you'll need to do a lot of promoting and showing off its performance. Also, you'll have to make it very good looking, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 I'll look at this thread further when I have a moment(heading out to dinner, on vacation)...but I can tell you I would want to see Czech, Bohemia Glass, preferably from Nizbor or Eggerman companies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='Epoch' timestamp='1310403314' post='515495'] 1 - Make sure the hose port is also very open. Lots of hookahs have what appears to be an excellent, wide downstem. However, the draw is still poor because it bottlenecks so badly at the hose port. 2 - The amount of air space in the vase has never seemed to have any notable effect on the water pressure in my experience. 3 - The diffuser idea is possibly cool. Instead of triangular holes, it would probably be easier to drill normal circular holes. And less risk for leaving jagged edges. 4 - Yes, and no. Yes, people will pay a lot for a hookah, but if it costs more than the industry standards, then you'll need to do a lot of promoting and showing off its performance. Also, you'll have to make it very good looking, too. [/quote] 1 - Yes, im paying special attention to maintain minimum diameter throughout the design. I will also be making a very nice and thick custom hose for it. There will only be two places where minimum diameter drops just two mm (near bowl to make sure any custom stuff fits) and at the hose fitting. But that is very small again, and will not noticeably effect the smoking. 2 - good to hear. 3 - what i meant is triangular cuts at the base, but due to production restrictions this will most certainly end up with drilled holes. Just need to figure out the coorect size. 4 - it will offer smoking experience and looks like nothing the market today :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted July 12, 2011 Author Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='r1v3th3ad' timestamp='1310419459' post='515544'] I'll look at this thread further when I have a moment(heading out to dinner, on vacation)...but I can tell you I would want to see Czech, Bohemia Glass, preferably from Nizbor or Eggerman companies... [/quote] This hookah will consist mainly of the base. So there would certainly be many different (and expensive ;-) options. Crystal, metal, disco-ball, custom paint etc etc. Even custom order. Keeping base cost to a minimum, but offering properly prized upgrades is a good business model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 What I'd like to see is instead of a hose port, its just a hole in the heart. The Regal Melech hookah has this and I think its a really cool modern look to it. I'd also like to see a heavy stem made with quality materials. I'm actually in the market for a new hookah so if this comes out any time soon, I might give it a shot. Is this going to have a more modern look to it, or a traditional look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onionz Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 I think you should make one with a base of a skull with snakes coming out of his eyes, or a wizard! Yeah a wizard! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoozle Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='Val' timestamp='1310438433' post='515591'] [quote name='Epoch' timestamp='1310403314' post='515495'] 1 - Make sure the hose port is also very open. Lots of hookahs have what appears to be an excellent, wide downstem. However, the draw is still poor because it bottlenecks so badly at the hose port. 2 - The amount of air space in the vase has never seemed to have any notable effect on the water pressure in my experience. 3 - The diffuser idea is possibly cool. Instead of triangular holes, it would probably be easier to drill normal circular holes. And less risk for leaving jagged edges. 4 - Yes, and no. Yes, people will pay a lot for a hookah, but if it costs more than the industry standards, then you'll need to do a lot of promoting and showing off its performance. Also, you'll have to make it very good looking, too. [/quote] 1 - Yes, im paying special attention to maintain minimum diameter throughout the design. I will also be making a very nice and thick custom hose for it. [b]There will only be two places where minimum diameter drops just two mm[/b] (near bowl to make sure any custom stuff fits) and at the hose fitting. But that is very small again, and will not noticeably effect the smoking. 2 - good to hear. 3 - what i meant is triangular cuts at the base, but due to production restrictions this will most certainly end up with drilled holes. Just need to figure out the coorect size. 4 - it will offer smoking experience and looks like nothing the market today :-) [/quote] I think you should reconsider your diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 [quote name='dizzbizz' timestamp='1310440405' post='515594'] What I'd like to see is [b]instead of a hose port, its just a hole in the heart. The Regal Melech hookah has this[/b] and I think its a really cool modern look to it. I'd also like to see a heavy stem made with quality materials. I'm actually in the market for a new hookah so if this comes out any time soon, I might give it a shot. Is this going to have a more modern look to it, or a traditional look? [/quote] I second that idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 [quote name='dizzbizz' timestamp='1310440405' post='515594'] What I'd like to see is instead of a hose port, its just a hole in the heart. The Regal Melech hookah has this and I think its a really cool modern look to it. I'd also like to see a heavy stem made with quality materials. I'm actually in the market for a new hookah so if this comes out any time soon, I might give it a shot. Is this going to have a more modern look to it, or a traditional look? [/quote] Yeah, hole in the heart is surely possible. And its a good idea. Since i will be going with custom hose, this will also make it easier to fit adapters for standart hoses. It wont have any stem as we know it [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif[/img] but materials will be better quality then in $150-250 range hookahs we see today. The look will be very modern. But i wouldnt count on it coming soon :-) After i collected all the feedback, i will start building prototype next week. Test test test and test for few month to make sure it works like a charm and is a really quality product. And to take it to production will probably take at least a 4-6 of month after that ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 [quote name='Skoozle' timestamp='1310485739' post='515652'] I think you should reconsider your diameter. [/quote] I ment 2cm = 20mm = 0.78 inch internal diameter throughout the whole system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted July 13, 2011 Author Share Posted July 13, 2011 [quote name='onionz' timestamp='1310484639' post='515647'] I think you should make one with a base of a skull with snakes coming out of his eyes, or a wizard! Yeah a wizard! [/quote] Probably not))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 [quote name='Val' timestamp='1310553773' post='515762'] [quote name='dizzbizz' timestamp='1310440405' post='515594'] What I'd like to see is instead of a hose port, its just a hole in the heart. The Regal Melech hookah has this and I think its a really cool modern look to it. I'd also like to see a heavy stem made with quality materials. I'm actually in the market for a new hookah so if this comes out any time soon, I might give it a shot. Is this going to have a more modern look to it, or a traditional look? [/quote] Yeah, hole in the heart is surely possible. And its a good idea. Since i will be going with custom hose, this will also make it easier to fit adapters for standart hoses. It wont have any stem as we know it [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif[/img] but materials will be better quality then in $150-250 range hookahs we see today. The look will be very modern. But i wouldnt count on it coming soon :-) After i collected all the feedback, [b]i will start building prototype next week.[/b] Test test test and test for few month to make sure it works like a charm and is a really quality product. And to take it to production will probably take at least a 4-6 of month after that ;-) [/quote] Make sure you show us lots of pictures of the process, the DIY hookah gear-heads will love it. And it'll get us really pumped about trying it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share Posted July 14, 2011 [quote name='Epoch' timestamp='1310575292' post='515809'] Make sure you show us lots of pictures of the process, the DIY hookah gear-heads will love it. And it'll get us really pumped about trying it out. [/quote] I will, once the prototyping is finished. I am a bit afraid that some chineese guy will see it and decides to produce it him-self [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/post-5619-1201289386.gif[/img])))))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted August 3, 2011 Author Share Posted August 3, 2011 Here is a teaser pic for you guys [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/_sheesha2__by_Majunka_aurore.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starwind Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 More pictures are desired from me and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 We are greedy. This will not suffice, we need more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 [quote name='Val' timestamp='1312393573' post='518459'] Here is a teaser pic for you guys [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/_sheesha2__by_Majunka_aurore.gif[/img] [/quote] [img]http://americanthings.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/jeopardy-by-floridatodaydotcom2.jpg[/img] What is Copper Tubing, Alex? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1312405556' post='518508'] [quote name='Val' timestamp='1312393573' post='518459'] Here is a teaser pic for you guys [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/_sheesha2__by_Majunka_aurore.gif[/img] [/quote] [img]http://americanthings.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/jeopardy-by-floridatodaydotcom2.jpg[/img] What is Copper Tubing, Alex? [/quote] Personally, being a journeyman plumber, I would have splurged and used copper pipe/tube instead of tubing. More rigid, more durable, higher quality control, more longevity, easier to clean, etc etc etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 [quote name='Epoch' timestamp='1312399064' post='518490'] We are greedy. This will not suffice, we need more! [/quote] Oh, come on [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/drinks.gif[/img] [color="#505050"][font="verdana, geneva, lucida,"]You can already see one of two ground-breaking design principles in that pic))) i'll leave the second one until i test the prototype more thoroughly.[/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1312406250' post='518509'] Personally, being a journeyman plumber, I would have splurged and used copper pipe/tube instead of tubing. More rigid, more durable, higher quality control, more longevity, easier to clean, etc etc etc. [/quote] You could of course. But then you won't be able to make what I'm making. And you'll have just another boring hookah that smokes like any other boring hookah. And trust me there will be no issues with rigidity, longevity, durability or whatever [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/mocking.gif[/img] why should there be? Its a german-made pipe certified for drinking water with 1mm wall. That should last for... 50 years [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val Posted August 4, 2011 Author Share Posted August 4, 2011 [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1312405556' post='518508'] [quote name='Val' timestamp='1312393573' post='518459'] Here is a teaser pic for you guys [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/_sheesha2__by_Majunka_aurore.gif[/img] [/quote] [img]http://americanthings.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/jeopardy-by-floridatodaydotcom2.jpg[/img] What is Copper Tubing, Alex? [/quote] That is not actually a picture of copper tubing. Its a picture of a part of the hookah [img]http://www.hookahforum.com/public/style_emoticons/default/good2.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 No full pictures for us... Tease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Looks like Copper, Looks like Tubing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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