DrSmokes Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 So my friend had given me some tangiers to try and I have a feeling he may have dried it out too much now. Now I'm looking to buy another thing of it to see if I will like it but don't know where to start. I know I should start with the Noir line but I wanted to try to get a consensus to see which flavor I should try to pick up first to hopefully give the best Tangiers experience. Just note, I'm not a big mint fan bc I had a bad experience with it a while ago...just incase a mint flavors pops in your heads first. And right now I'm looking on 5starhookah and I normally buy from hookah-shisha...just wondering why the price difference (3 bucks)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRSX Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I purchased Orange Soda and blue gumball. Seems like most start with orange Soda, but everyone raves about welsh cream. I also ordered from 5star, it's nice they give you containers to put the shisha in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 if you are good with the nicotine, then go with the nour/OG Tangiers. K-peach. If you get that one right you can smoke anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeDave Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Favorite Tangiers flavors from most favorite onwards: Indian Sumer Kashmir Peach Passionfruit Peach Iced Tea Although I think it'd be nice for you to star in the noir line, it's very difficult to master packing with, especially for your first try on tangiers. I would HIGHLY suggest you start with the lucid line. It's Tangiers' washed line, and is MUCH easier to smoke. Pick out some flavors you think you would like to try based on reviews, opinions, thoughts, etc. in lucid. If you like the flavors in lucid, they taste the same (but more vivid IMO) in noir. Lucid can pretty much smoke in any bowl you currently own, but for Tangier Noir line, I would highly suggest picking up a tangiers small phunnel, or any of the crown phunnels. People on here will say "Ahh, you don't NEED a phunnel, the tobacco came out before the phunnel did!".... Eating rice and drinking out of rivers with your hands came out before fine dining did, but I see no reason to take that route when I can enjoy a nice New York Strip. Other than that, I hope your tangiers experience works out well for you. Be sure to post post-smoking thoughts, experiences and comments afterwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 ah see, i humbly disagree. You can smoke OG tangiers in any bowl as well, the only real difference between OG and lucid is the nicotine levels i thought. So if you can pack one you can pack the other. Acclimation is different but once its ready, shouldn't pack or smoke any differently. And thus you see the problem with open ended questions like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) its possible to smoke tangiers out of any bowl, but since the phunnel was made for tangiers...why not utilize it. anyways drsmokes, I remember you have a micro crown phunnel. So Just keep using that I say.. As for noir and luicd, if your determined to pick up some noir then go for it. If you can buy a bag of lucid at least. 5star just has the best deals, bu they also don't have promo codes for mu'assal. Back to tangiers, some good strong flavors(even in lucid) is Maraschino Cherry/Shnozzberry/Indian summer. Those I would say are very strong "durable" flavors. Seems like 5star is out of alot of lucid flavors right now. let us know what you decide Edited October 1, 2011 by king_lunchb0x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share Posted October 1, 2011 Oh, I was mistaken, I thought the Noir line was washed and Lucid wasn't. So that means I want to go with Lucid. Thanks for the opinions guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I would start with breakfast cereal amazing also the orange soda is good or old school watermelon. But welsh cream with chockate mint is good I know you see mint and think it their isn't really any in their even though u don't want MIT but it mixes amazing the mint is very very very subtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 Well, I found out my friend gave me Noir. I just tried smoking it in the Crown Classic. Used 3/4's of a coconara...wasn't harsh for the first 15 minutes then it started to get harsh I guess I'll give the Lucid line a go and see if I can perfect my sessions with it before moving onto Noir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 You are over complicating the issue. Just buy some tangiers and mess with it. If you have problems there are several resources and plenty of packing videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 you use a fraction of the heat with Tangiers as you do with other tobaccos. try it with a LOT less charcoal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 So a lot less than 3/4's of a coconara? so 1/4 on one side and 1/4 on another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 good place to start. remember, its better if you dont get smoke clouds in the first few minutes of smoking til everything comes up to temp. If you get immediate clouds, in 5 minues or so when the coals are really going, you gonna burn your tobacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='TheyCallMeDave' timestamp='1317498337' post='526011'] Favorite Tangiers flavors from most favorite onwards: Indian Sumer Kashmir Peach Passionfruit Peach Iced Tea Although I think it'd be nice for you to star in the noir line, it's very difficult to master packing with, especially for your first try on tangiers. I would HIGHLY suggest you start with the lucid line. It's Tangiers' washed line, and is MUCH easier to smoke. Pick out some flavors you think you would like to try based on reviews, opinions, thoughts, etc. in lucid. If you like the flavors in lucid, they taste the same (but more vivid IMO) in noir. Lucid can pretty much smoke in any bowl you currently own, but for Tangier Noir line, I would highly suggest picking up a tangiers small phunnel, or any of the crown phunnels. People on here will say "Ahh, you don't NEED a phunnel, the tobacco came out before the phunnel did!".... Eating rice and drinking out of rivers with your hands came out before fine dining did, but I see no reason to take that route when I can enjoy a nice New York Strip. Other than that, I hope your tangiers experience works out well for you. Be sure to post post-smoking thoughts, experiences and comments afterwards! [/quote] I'm Chreees and I approve this message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelLCP Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Pretty much what Dave said. K Peach is a really good starter flavor. Along with Peach Iced Tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 with the tobacco i usually start with 3 coals on it depends on what ever i got let it sit for about 2 minutes rotate them then start smoking its best to let it warm up from what i've done, i've done a lot of messing around and trying to perfect my smoke session, but...i do smoke for about 4-6 hours after work so i'll sit on a bowl for 2 days and not have any issues lighting or relighting. even after that session on the bowl i pull the foil off and not even half of it has been cooked. still not close to the 21 hours on a bowl like eric but hey i can dream 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 During the first 15-20 minutes the tobacco, foil and bowl are rising to it highest temperature. In the initial heat is high the temperature will rise quickly and cause overheating. If its over heating you may get large clouds but the smoke will be harsh and the flavor will be highly diminished. Try starting with a low heat, allowing the coals to have a few minutes to warm the foil/bowl/tobacco before your first pull, and then adjusting the heat if needed after the first 20 minutes. With proper heat management you will be able to smoke your tangiers out of a variety of bowls. However, the Tangiers bowls are made specifically to accommodate Tangiers tobacco; allowing the proper airflow, heating factor, and dimensions for vaporization of contents in the tobacco mixture. Most people find that lucid is easier to acclimate, pack, and manage heat. The noir line, since it is unwashed, contains a higher nicotine content. This is what usually causes us to have slight variations in packing and heat management so that the tobacco is vaporized well enough to give us a well balanced flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1317569096' post='526109'] During the first 15-20 minutes the tobacco, foil and bowl are rising to it highest temperature. In the initial heat is high the temperature will rise quickly and cause overheating. If its over heating you may get large clouds but the smoke will be harsh and the flavor will be highly diminished. Try starting with a low heat, allowing the coals to have a few minutes to warm the foil/bowl/tobacco before your first pull, and then adjusting the heat if needed after the first 20 minutes. With proper heat management you will be able to smoke your tangiers out of a variety of bowls. However, the Tangiers bowls are made specifically to accommodate Tangiers tobacco; allowing the proper airflow, heating factor, and dimensions for vaporization of contents in the tobacco mixture. Most people find that lucid is easier to acclimate, pack, and manage heat. The noir line, since it is unwashed, contains a higher nicotine content. This is what usually causes us to have slight variations in packing and heat management so that the tobacco is vaporized well enough to give us a well balanced flavor. [/quote] Would you say the Crown Micro Funnel would suffice? I hear that guy makes his bowls with the formula that Eric came up with. I guess I can try to pick up a small Tangiers funnel if it's really that big of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Trying to Noir Cherry in my Crown Micro right now. Going to take the heating process extremely slow this time to see how it turns out. Wish me luck!! Also, did I hear someone say to not make many holes in the foil? Edited October 2, 2011 by DrSmokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) Going extremely slow still...its not harsh on the inhale but slightly harsh/tickles my throat on the exhale. Still have 3 1/4 coco's on it and rotating it around the bowl to heat it up evenly every 15-25 min. About to put on some new coals. Also note, it's not a bad flavor (cherry...may be kashmir cherry, I don't remember what my friend gave me) so at least that's going decent. Have wimpy clouds sadly. Edited October 2, 2011 by DrSmokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Yeah it'll work in a crown. I haven't used one yet but my guess is that the clouds won't be a big but the flavor should be fine with the proper management. Holes in foil: lots of big holes will keep the tobacco from gaining too much heat when you aren't pulling through the hose but may require some more movement of the holes depending on what flavor you are getting. If the hole are smalls you will probably get too much heat building when you aren't pulling... but try a few different patterns and see what works for you. harsh wispy smoke sounds like an underpack to me. Whats your packing method like right now? pictures/video might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 No, make sure to make PLENTY of holes in the foil. I personally don't poke any holes over the center hole in the phunnel, though. Some people do, some people don't. I feel that the flavor is decreased when you do, because it's allowing more open air without it first having to pass through/over the tobacco. Try both and see which works best for you. You may be applying too little coal if your clouds are wimpy. It's all about finding the perfect balance between flavor and clouds. Also, don't mess with your coals- may be why your smoke is wimpy. Number one misconception with hookah, in my opinion. I place my coconut coals on and never touch them. Apply a windcover if you feel a little more heat is needed. Especially toward the end of your session when the coals are dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1317582299' post='526127'] Yeah it'll work in a crown. I haven't used one yet but my guess is that the clouds won't be a big but the flavor should be fine with the proper management. Holes in foil: lots of big holes will keep the tobacco from gaining too much heat when you aren't pulling through the hose but may require some more movement of the holes depending on what flavor you are getting. If the hole are smalls you will probably get too much heat building when you aren't pulling... but try a few different patterns and see what works for you. harsh wispy smoke sounds like an underpack to me. Whats your packing method like right now? pictures/video might help. [/quote] Thanks for the advice. The clouds are kind of wimpy when there is not much heat (to be expected but didn't want to put too much). I'll have to try bigger holes next time (might do it right after this bowl). I utilizing a metal compass (used in Geometry...don't ask me how I found it in my pile of mess but seems to work great and looks like a lot of pokers I've seen posted on sites...just may not have as long of a needle as the official pokers...which might be my problem??). I'll try to post some pictures on how I'm packing it. I'm not overpacking it, nor do I think I'm underpacking it...but I could be wrong. Tobacco touches the foil for the most part it seems...some parts are just below the foil. But I'll try to get some pictures up shortly. [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1317582485' post='526128'] No, make sure to make PLENTY of holes in the foil. I personally don't poke any holes over the center hole in the phunnel, though. Some people do, some people don't. I feel that the flavor is decreased when you do, because it's allowing more open air without it first having to pass through/over the tobacco. Try both and see which works best for you. You may be applying too little coal if your clouds are wimpy. It's all about finding the perfect balance between flavor and clouds. Also, don't mess with your coals- may be why your smoke is wimpy. Number one misconception with hookah, in my opinion. I place my coconut coals on and never touch them. Apply a windcover if you feel a little more heat is needed. Especially toward the end of your session when the coals are dying. [/quote] Thanks for the advice. I'll continue to tinker with my methods. So you say to just leave the coals alone and when they go out...put new coals on new spots? Or on the same spot piggy backing? I have tried lots of holes, tried about half as many this time. Like I said above, I'll keep trying new things thanks to your guys' advice. I want to thank you guys for your patience and all your help. I really want to get a good Tangiers bowl going. Running really low on my stash right now but am about to put an order in for a few different flavors as I'm determined to get this to WORK! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Make sure the pack is even all the way around and not packed in little mountains with peaks and valleys. Eddie has a crown bowl and he will probably be posting to share his experience with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted October 2, 2011 Author Share Posted October 2, 2011 Here are some pictures. Going to try bigger and more holes (it's an ugly job so don't laugh I slipped on the funnel slope!!) and going to try 1/2 of cocos on each side of the bowl (so 1 full one) hanging them off the edge. Won't mess with the coals. My only question is, when they start getting weak, do I piggy back them or put them on the unused spots? [img]http://speedcap.net/img/e6d49e12eab9f965539d74e6e7b54c7a/446bd8d0.png[/img] [img]http://speedcap.net/img/e6d49e12eab9f965539d74e6e7b54c7a/8bde9408.png[/img] [img]http://speedcap.net/img/e6d49e12eab9f965539d74e6e7b54c7a/aeee8d1a.png[/img] [img]http://speedcap.net/img/e6d49e12eab9f965539d74e6e7b54c7a/bcdee873.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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