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Just wanted to throw people a heads up, as I work with ebay for my job I've noticed over the past few months that hookah "accessories" have become more prevalent just a few things worth noting.

1) Coals, are a frack ton cheaper on ebay, i recently purchased an order of 4 kilos of Chronic coals for 9 dollars each or 36 bucks and with $10 USPS priority mail shipping.

Ive also seen coconaras for around 10 dollars per 108 pack in bulk... just search around a bit under the term hookah...

2) Hoses, pretty each to find on there, have yet to see many washables but have seen a couple of the official Nammor brand hoses sold on there for around 12 with low shipping.

3) Dont buy phunnels, alot of those on there now, but none are official tangiers phunnels. Ive purchased 2 off of ebay and neither worked right and were cheap build quality. And the majority of sellers ive tried to confirm with respond with "Tangiers?"

4) Shisha packs, if you want a brand like Hydro, they are dirt cheap on ebay if purchased in bulk. Have yet to see more than Nakhla mint on there in terms of noticable brands, but it is getting there if you'd rather use MF.

5) Hookahs, ive seen KM's used go for $40-60 on average, near mint, 36" + in size. There are also new hookahs of all brands on there, around the same price but with minimal shipping...

Just thought id let people know :)
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It should also be noted you shouldn't buy any tobacco off of eBay, since they do not allow transactions of tobacco (yet people still manage to list it)... It could seriously mess up yours and the seller's MF accounts.
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It should also be noted you shouldn't buy any tobacco off of eBay, since they do not allow transactions of tobacco (yet people still manage to list it)... It could seriously mess up yours and the seller's MF accounts.
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Ah good call, but to be honest in my time with them, it is an absolute rarity for them to look into something unless it has been called up as bootleg or counterfit...

I suppose I should revise my previous to say, purchase tobacco at your own risk! Anything else is all gravy!
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Lots of Soex and 5star has the shisha stones (debatable whether their site or eBay is cheaper). hookah4sale is one of the ones I'm seeing a lot lately with inexpensive and "free shipping" if you can get the item for a decent bid. Buy it Now is a bit higher. I'm bidding on egyptian bowls and windcovers right now. I was going for Soex, but with the reviews, I let myself be overbid.

I've contemplated some of the fully brass hookahs, BF hinted that he wants one.
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[quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1318552987' post='527706']
It should also be noted you shouldn't buy any tobacco off of eBay, since they do not allow transactions of tobacco (yet people still manage to list it)... It could seriously mess up yours and the seller's MF accounts.
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Ah good call, but to be honest in my time with them, it is an absolute rarity for them to look into something unless it has been called up as bootleg or counterfit...

I suppose I should revise my previous to say, purchase tobacco at your own risk! Anything else is all gravy!
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Yeah, I found out about it firsthand. RIGHT when I started hookah, I'm talking the very first tobacco I purchased, it was like 20 of the Hookah-Hookah shots (god what a mistake that was). Anyway, after I purchased it and told the seller what flavors I wanted, the listing (that I bought) totally disappeared. About a week later the seller FINALLY got back to me and said that the listing had been deleted by eBay because it was tobacco but that they got my money out of MF right before they hit their MF account and put a lock on it or some shit. Either way, I was like WTF. Then I read up on it and sure enough, no tobacco listings on eBay... Only time I really see it is when a seller throws in some random tobacco along with a hookah they are selling. Or they say "free gift."

[quote name='atalanta' timestamp='1318565013' post='527728']
Lots of Soex and 5star has the shisha stones (debatable whether their site or eBay is cheaper). hookah4sale is one of the ones I'm seeing a lot lately with inexpensive and "free shipping" if you can get the item for a decent bid. Buy it Now is a bit higher. I'm bidding on egyptian bowls and windcovers right now. I was going for Soex, but with the reviews, I let myself be overbid.

I've contemplated some of the fully brass hookahs, BF hinted that he wants one.
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Good call on forgetting the Soex. Horrible stuff. :lol:

Before you make a bid on a solid brass hookah, run it by us. A lot of people on eBay claim theirs are solid brass, when actually they are not. Always good to double check with your fellow HFers! I know I have a time or two. ;)
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[quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1318552987' post='527706']
Anyway, after I purchased it and told the seller what flavors I wanted, the listing (that I bought) totally disappeared. About a week later the seller FINALLY got back to me and said that the listing had been deleted by eBay because it was tobacco but that they got my money out of MF right before they hit their MF account and put a lock on it or some shit. Either way, I was like WTF. Then I read up on it and sure enough, no tobacco listings on eBay... Only time I really see it is when a seller throws in some random tobacco along with a hookah they are selling. Or they say "free gift."
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I can confirm that the same thing happened to me on one occasion, though it did all get sorted out and I've had several good buys of tobacco via eBay, more good than bad. There does seem to be an intentional blind eye being turned to the sale of "the collectable packaging, not the contents" and even to statements like "for the purpose of eBay rules, this product does not contain tobacco" (on a listing for Nakhla). So, use caution and proceed at your own risk, but I'm with A13lackFish in saying that these problems are a rarity. The biggest problem is that you don't get much choice at a given time; you can buy what someone has to sell and not what you happen to fancy.

Please note that I do [b]not[/b] encourage that kind of BS, but whether to buy from such a listing is a value judgement relative to your other options; in the US you can buy all the mainstream tobaccos cheaply, easily and reliably from a choice of vendors, so you don't have anything much to gain from using eBay. This becomes a different matter when your local vendor runs out of Nak Mint and Nak DA, your national vendors aren't permitted to sell it and your other option is to risk importing it yourself; it's under those circumstances that buying what someone brought back from holiday seems to be (and legally is) the lesser of two evils.
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[quote name='A13lackFish' timestamp='1318552286' post='527702']
Just wanted to throw people a heads up, as I work with ebay for my job I've noticed over the past few months that hookah "accessories" have become more prevalent just a few things worth noting.

1) Coals, are a frack ton cheaper on ebay, i recently purchased an order of 4 kilos of Chronic coals for 9 dollars each or 36 bucks and with $10 USPS priority mail shipping.

Ive also seen coconaras for around 10 dollars per 108 pack in bulk... just search around a bit under the term hookah...

2) Hoses, pretty each to find on there, have yet to see many washables but have seen a couple of the official Nammor brand hoses sold on there for around 12 with low shipping.

3) Dont buy phunnels, alot of those on there now, but none are official tangiers phunnels. Ive purchased 2 off of ebay and neither worked right and were cheap build quality. And the majority of sellers ive tried to confirm with respond with "Tangiers?"

4) Shisha packs, if you want a brand like Hydro, they are dirt cheap on ebay if purchased in bulk. Have yet to see more than Nakhla mint on there in terms of noticable brands, but it is getting there if you'd rather use MF.

5) Hookahs, ive seen KM's used go for $40-60 on average, near mint, 36" + in size. There are also new hookahs of all brands on there, around the same price but with minimal shipping...

Just thought id let people know :)
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1. that's a dollar more per what they go for on the site all day for the 3 gen stuff, wouldn't be surprised if someone was stocking up on HJs old coals and selling them for "less" on ebay.

2. Fancyhose :P

3. Yes, good point although i have seen some tangiers phunnels in the past.

4. God no, why, WHY would you suggest this? Hydro is awful people. And so is every other tea shisha

5. KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY KOOLAID. Lol, best of luck out there ;)
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[quote name='A13lackFish' timestamp='1318552286' post='527702']
Just wanted to throw people a heads up, as I work with ebay for my job I've noticed over the past few months that hookah "accessories" have become more prevalent just a few things worth noting.

1) Coals, are a frack ton cheaper on ebay, i recently purchased an order of 4 kilos of Chronic coals for 9 dollars each or 36 bucks and with $10 USPS priority mail shipping.

Ive also seen coconaras for around 10 dollars per 108 pack in bulk... just search around a bit under the term hookah...

2) Hoses, pretty each to find on there, have yet to see many washables but have seen a couple of the official Nammor brand hoses sold on there for around 12 with low shipping.

3) Dont buy phunnels, alot of those on there now, but none are official tangiers phunnels. Ive purchased 2 off of ebay and neither worked right and were cheap build quality. And the majority of sellers ive tried to confirm with respond with "Tangiers?"

4) Shisha packs, if you want a brand like Hydro, they are dirt cheap on ebay if purchased in bulk. Have yet to see more than Nakhla mint on there in terms of noticable brands, but it is getting there if you'd rather use MF.

5) Hookahs, ive seen KM's used go for $40-60 on average, near mint, 36" + in size. There are also new hookahs of all brands on there, around the same price but with minimal shipping...

Just thought id let people know :)
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1. that's a dollar more per what they go for on the site all day for the 3 gen stuff, wouldn't be surprised if someone was stocking up on HJs old coals and selling them for "less" on ebay.

2. Fancyhose :P

3. Yes, good point although i have seen some tangiers phunnels in the past.

4. God no, why, WHY would you suggest this? Hydro is awful people. And so is every other tea shisha

5. KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY KOOLAID. Lol, best of luck out there ;)
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1) I just purchased 4 kilos of coals for upwards of $15 less than what it would have costed me to get the same amount on Johns site.

2) Hoses are hoses, though they have a couple auctions for NuHoses that ive seen recently as well

3) Ive purchased 2 different auctions labeled as "tangiers phunnels" only to get them and realize immediately that they were fake knockoffs

4) I didnt suggest it, you need to calm down. Was merely mentioning that it was there, and dirt cheap at that considering its worth next to nothing.

5) Not quite sure about your Koolaid but I hope noone else drinks your punch :)
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1) I just purchased 4 kilos of coals for upwards of $15 less than what it would have costed me to get the same amount on Johns site. [color=#ff0000][b]Ok so either you're new to Johns site or someone is taking CRAZY pills because I get 4 kilos for $40 all day every day and it's his latest generation of coals (ie the ones you want because they kick ass) what i was saying is you might be buying his old stuff which goes for way cheap(which sucks in comparison) in which case buying them for "ONE DOLLAR LESS" would be a BAD DEAL because those sell for $7 a kilo on his site. Take a picture of the box and post it on this thread. [/b][/color]

2) Hoses are hoses, though they have a couple auctions for NuHoses that ive seen recently as well [b][color=#ff0000]yes but normally you're not going to see a new unused washable narb/razan/nammor, if you had limited amount of time you're best bet is getting one of those from a vendor running a good deal[/color][/b]

3) Ive purchased 2 different auctions labeled as "tangiers phunnels" only to get them and realize immediately that they were fake knockoffs [b][color=#ff0000]I have a trained eye, I've found a few for people other than myself and they were the real deal/sale.[/color][/b]

4) I didnt suggest it, you need to calm down. Was merely mentioning that it was there, and dirt cheap at that considering its worth next to nothing. [b][color=#ff0000]I was being facetious, hydro is awful though.[/color][/b]
5) Not quite sure about your Koolaid but I hope noone else drinks your punch :) [b][color=#ff0000]Damn straight. [/color][/b]
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1) I just purchased 4 kilos of coals for upwards of $15 less than what it would have costed me to get the same amount on Johns site. [color=#ff0000][b]Ok so either you're new to Johns site or someone is taking CRAZY pills because I get 4 kilos for $40 all day every day and it's his latest generation of coals (ie the ones you want because they kick ass) what i was saying is you might be buying his old stuff which goes for way cheap(which sucks in comparison) in which case buying them for "ONE DOLLAR LESS" would be a BAD DEAL because those sell for $7 a kilo on his site. Take a picture of the box and post it on this thread. [/b][/color]

2) Hoses are hoses, though they have a couple auctions for NuHoses that ive seen recently as well [b][color=#ff0000]yes but normally you're not going to see a new unused washable narb/razan/nammor, if you had limited amount of time you're best bet is getting one of those from a vendor running a good deal[/color][/b]

3) Ive purchased 2 different auctions labeled as "tangiers phunnels" only to get them and realize immediately that they were fake knockoffs [b][color=#ff0000]I have a trained eye, I've found a few for people other than myself and they were the real deal/sale.[/color][/b]

4) I didnt suggest it, you need to calm down. Was merely mentioning that it was there, and dirt cheap at that considering its worth next to nothing. [b][color=#ff0000]I was being facetious, hydro is awful though.[/color][/b]
5) Not quite sure about your Koolaid but I hope noone else drinks your punch :) [b][color=#ff0000]Damn straight. [/color][/b]
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1) Lol so new to Johns site, oh man its only been roughly 3 years or so that i've ordered from him. It baffles me that you believe something so irrelevant to the coals, but I will make sure to post them in a photo just for you princess.

2) Did I ever say that the hoses were prevalent to ebay? No I didn't. Rather I mentioned that there were hoses, and that it is worth checking to see if there are any new ones. I have seen 2 sold new nammors, and a used narbish.

3) Send me a listing, please. Because as I am untrained being an avid hookah smoker and an owner of an official tangiers phunnel, I must be far off from the truth and completely invalid in telling the user to beware.

4) It is awful, but lets say you only have a small income, and all you can afford is something like Hydro, well there you go?

5) I hope Koolaid man breaks through your wall..

6) Added this because I truly hope your finished trolling my posting here, was merely a recommendation, you need to slow your roll and at least provide solid facts if you plan to shut down each of the things I (as an employee of a company that is avid to ebay, and a hookah smoker of over 7 years) happened to notice and figured i'd mention just for fun for those interested. :) Edited by A13lackFish
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[quote name='littlec' timestamp='1318648068' post='527813']
[quote name='A13lackFish' timestamp='1318646906' post='527809']


1) I just purchased 4 kilos of coals for upwards of $15 less than what it would have costed me to get the same amount on Johns site. [color=#ff0000][b]Ok so either you're new to Johns site or someone is taking CRAZY pills because I get 4 kilos for $40 all day every day and it's his latest generation of coals (ie the ones you want because they kick ass) what i was saying is you might be buying his old stuff which goes for way cheap(which sucks in comparison) in which case buying them for "ONE DOLLAR LESS" would be a BAD DEAL because those sell for $7 a kilo on his site. Take a picture of the box and post it on this thread. [/b][/color]

2) Hoses are hoses, though they have a couple auctions for NuHoses that ive seen recently as well [b][color=#ff0000]yes but normally you're not going to see a new unused washable narb/razan/nammor, if you had limited amount of time you're best bet is getting one of those from a vendor running a good deal[/color][/b]

3) Ive purchased 2 different auctions labeled as "tangiers phunnels" only to get them and realize immediately that they were fake knockoffs [b][color=#ff0000]I have a trained eye, I've found a few for people other than myself and they were the real deal/sale.[/color][/b]

4) I didnt suggest it, you need to calm down. Was merely mentioning that it was there, and dirt cheap at that considering its worth next to nothing. [b][color=#ff0000]I was being facetious, hydro is awful though.[/color][/b]
5) Not quite sure about your Koolaid but I hope noone else drinks your punch :) [b][color=#ff0000]Damn straight. [/color][/b]
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1) Lol so new to Johns site, oh man its only been roughly 3 years or so that i've ordered from him. It baffles me that you believe something so irrelevant to the coals, but I will make sure to post them in a photo just for you princess.

2) Did I ever say that the hoses were prevalent to ebay? No I didn't. Rather I mentioned that there were hoses, and that it is worth checking to see if there are any new ones. I have seen 2 sold new nammors, and a used narbish.

3) Send me a listing, please. Because as I am untrained being an avid hookah smoker and an owner of an official tangiers phunnel, I must be far off from the truth and completely invalid in telling the user to beware.

4) It is awful, but lets say you only have a small income, and all you can afford is something like Hydro, well there you go?

5) I hope Koolaid man breaks through your wall..

6) Added this because I truly hope your finished trolling my posting here, was merely a recommendation, you need to slow your roll and at least provide solid facts if you plan to shut down each of the things I (as an employee of a company that is avid to ebay, and a hookah smoker of over 7 years) happened to notice and figured i'd mention just for fun for those interested. :)
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Not trying to troll or shutdown anything I was just adding valid counter arguments to what I thought were good points overall. I asked for pics because I think users should beware if someone is reselling 2nd gen chronic coals for a $2 more a box than you can buy them for from the guy that makes them. There is a chronics/coconara "madness" tab on his site fyi and you can buy the latest greatest coals from him at $10 a box and $11 a box for the coconaras. My phunnel statement was directed at you saying "dont buy phunnels" which isn't the case, just don't buy cheap shit (chinese phunnels standout like a sore thumb). It's pretty easy to spot a true blue tangiers phunnel imo hence the statement, I will gladly sent you a link next time I find one if you want, don't get all sarcastic you did admit to buying two cheapos insinuating you didn't know the wiser. No need to slow my roll, I had nothing but honest intentions of adding supplemental information to this thread being an ebay hookah buyer myself and noticing trends and what have you from my own time spent on there so dont get all offended Edited by littlec
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I'm starting to find myself a bit baffled by this whole thread, because, without disagreeing with anything that anyone's said, there's a lot of stating the bleedin' obvious going on. The initial review of the current state of the eBay market might be a useful heads-up to some, I guess. The way I see it, though, things fall into two clear categories: why would you? and why wouldn't you?

Why [b]wouldn't[/b] you use eBay for a complete hookah second-hand, a rare Tangiers bowl not in production, or a product sold direct by the craftsman? This is the application that justifies paying the costs of eBay.

Why [b]would[/b] you use eBay for something like coals unless [i]massively[/i] below market price? The fees run to 15-20% between eBay and MF, on top of that you're talking about a product that is dense relative to its financial value so shipping costs are a major factor. Dedicated retailers will usually have better shipping arrangements than ad-hoc private sellers.

Admittedly, I'm lucky in having a cheap local source for finger coals and lemon wood lump coals, but I can't see me ever paying a shipping fee to buy just coal, even when buying online. I've just put in an order for a travel bag, hose and tray that I can't get locally, and with that I threw in 3kg of Cococha and 3 boxes of Golden Flash at no extra shipping cost; I'll have thrown more cheap coals on another order before those run out.

So for me, it's pretty obvious when to use eBay and when not to; likewise that [i]caveat emptor[/i] always applies. Surprises me a bit that feelings run high over coal, but still.....
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I'll check them size wise and box when they get in, otherwise i'm finished with commenting on this thread and will say that I meant no disrespect to the latter individual.
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I'll check them size wise and box when they get in, otherwise i'm finished with commenting on this thread and will say that I meant no disrespect to the latter individual.
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Likewise, sorry for getting off on the wrong foot with you, it was not my intention Edited by littlec
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[quote name='littlec' timestamp='1318665472' post='527825']
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1) I just purchased 4 kilos of coals for upwards of $15 less than what it would have costed me to get the same amount on Johns site. [color=#ff0000][b]Ok so either you're new to Johns site or someone is taking CRAZY pills because I get 4 kilos for $40 all day every day and it's his latest generation of coals (ie the ones you want because they kick ass) what i was saying is you might be buying his old stuff which goes for way cheap(which sucks in comparison) in which case buying them for "ONE DOLLAR LESS" would be a BAD DEAL because those sell for $7 a kilo on his site. Take a picture of the box and post it on this thread. [/b][/color]

2) Hoses are hoses, though they have a couple auctions for NuHoses that ive seen recently as well [b][color=#ff0000]yes but normally you're not going to see a new unused washable narb/razan/nammor, if you had limited amount of time you're best bet is getting one of those from a vendor running a good deal[/color][/b]

3) Ive purchased 2 different auctions labeled as "tangiers phunnels" only to get them and realize immediately that they were fake knockoffs [b][color=#ff0000]I have a trained eye, I've found a few for people other than myself and they were the real deal/sale.[/color][/b]

4) I didnt suggest it, you need to calm down. Was merely mentioning that it was there, and dirt cheap at that considering its worth next to nothing. [b][color=#ff0000]I was being facetious, hydro is awful though.[/color][/b]
5) Not quite sure about your Koolaid but I hope noone else drinks your punch :) [b][color=#ff0000]Damn straight. [/color][/b]
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1) Lol so new to Johns site, oh man its only been roughly 3 years or so that i've ordered from him. It baffles me that you believe something so irrelevant to the coals, but I will make sure to post them in a photo just for you princess.

2) Did I ever say that the hoses were prevalent to ebay? No I didn't. Rather I mentioned that there were hoses, and that it is worth checking to see if there are any new ones. I have seen 2 sold new nammors, and a used narbish.

3) Send me a listing, please. Because as I am untrained being an avid hookah smoker and an owner of an official tangiers phunnel, I must be far off from the truth and completely invalid in telling the user to beware.

4) It is awful, but lets say you only have a small income, and all you can afford is something like Hydro, well there you go?

5) I hope Koolaid man breaks through your wall..

6) Added this because I truly hope your finished trolling my posting here, was merely a recommendation, you need to slow your roll and at least provide solid facts if you plan to shut down each of the things I (as an employee of a company that is avid to ebay, and a hookah smoker of over 7 years) happened to notice and figured i'd mention just for fun for those interested. :)
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Not trying to troll or shutdown anything I was just adding valid counter arguments to what I thought were good points overall. I asked for pics because I think users should beware if someone is reselling 2nd gen chronic coals for a $2 more a box than you can buy them for from the guy that makes them. There is a chronics/coconara "madness" tab on his site fyi and you can buy the latest greatest coals from him at $10 a box and $11 a box for the coconaras. My phunnel statement was directed at you saying "dont buy phunnels" which isn't the case, [b]just don't buy cheap shit (chinese phunnels standout like a sore thumb). It's pretty easy to spot a true blue tangiers phunnel imo hence the statement[/b], I will gladly sent you a link next time I find one if you want, don't get all sarcastic you did admit to buying two cheapos insinuating you didn't know the wiser. No need to slow my roll, I had nothing but honest intentions of adding supplemental information to this thread being an ebay hookah buyer myself and noticing trends and what have you from my own time spent on there so dont get all offended
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Exactly, I was given a cheap chinese phunnel from a friend while I was waiting for my Tangiers phunnel to come in. It was small, had a hollow construction, and the dimensions were less than desirable for smoking Tangiers. If the phunnel is hallow it will have a hell of a time trying to retain heat enough to vaporize the tobacco. Vaporization is also effected by the dimensions of the bowl... as the tobacco heats up, different parts of the mixture move in different ways. Often when the dimensions are off and the bowl will not retain heat, you will vaporize the water and the nicotine while the heavier flavor just sinks to the bottom almost untouched. It will also be very hard to get thunderclouds with a chinese phunnel.

Not to say that your smoke is going to completely suck if you don't have a Tangiers phunnel (with a little practice and patience you can find a method that works with just about any bowl)... just saying that the highest potential of your session will be maximized by using the bowl specifically designed for the purpose. These are not just ornamental pieces, they are designed with these materials and these dimensions for a reason.

It would be a shame for someone to buy a knock off on the ebay and have a shitty experience and blame the bowl thinking that it is an official product.
That being said, If you are going to smoke Tangiers and you are in the market for a new bowl, I suggest getting a Tangiers bowl from a trusted source. Made by Tangiers for Tangiers.
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Just posting to say that I got in the Kilos of the Chronic Coals today from my ebay buyer. They cost me roughly $15 less overall with shipping. They came from a seller in CA who goes under the name Magic Smokes i guess.

The box was the exact same as the most recent purchase of CH coals from John, and when measured they were the same dimensions, some cut in weird shapes etc, not perfect squares just like the original box from John. Overall from my 2 sessions today I can also say that they work the same as the ones from John, and smoke fantastically.

I can post pics as well if need be to confirm, but id say I made out like a bandit from this guy and will plan to buy again :)

Happy smoking, and glad to have that resolved!
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