bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 After owning my Mya Econo Gelato for about a month, the thing is useless. I was cleaning it up after last night's session and the down stem unscrewed from the top of the pipe stem. It wouldn't budge before, so I thought it may have been welded. Anyway, I I cleaned it and let it sit overnight and now the thing will not screw back into the main pipe stem. It was a good pipe for solo smoking and I will miss it, but damn I've heard these things are shitty, but I expected it to last > 1 month. I also have a Mya QT, which has treated me pretty good. Anyone else have this experience with "econo" myas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Everyone with Econo Myas is having similar issues. Pains me to say it, because Mya's standard line is top-notch quality, possibly the best around. But all of the pipes labeled "Econo" have proven to be junk. The design is excellent like always, but the materials are greatly inferior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote name='Epoch' timestamp='1318869039' post='528020'] Everyone with Econo Myas is having similar issues. Pains me to say it, because Mya's standard line is top-notch quality, possibly the best around. But all of the pipes labeled "Econo" have proven to be junk. The design is excellent like always, but the materials are greatly inferior. [/quote] I only knew of inferiority of the "Econo"-line post purchase. Sucks too since the pipe was one of my best smokers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 The downstem is supposed to be able to screw in and out. Why you couldn't get it out, not sure. But yeah, just go ahead and replace it with a regular Gelato and avoid the crap-quality Econo line from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1318872250' post='528030'] [u][b]The downstem is supposed to be able to screw in and out. Why you couldn't get it out, not sure[/b][/u]. But yeah, just go ahead and replace it with a regular Gelato and avoid the crap-quality Econo line from now on. [/quote] My Econo QT has a stuck downstem also. All the screw-on parts are kinda fused together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Glad I got this for free with my last H-S order..smoked it once, was not impressed. It will be a nice decoration piece.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1318877075' post='528047'] Glad I got this for free with my last H-S order..smoked it once, was not impressed. It will be a nice decoration piece.. [/quote] I wished I got it for free Unfortunately I ordered mine from NazarHookah for 34.99 + shipping. I have contacted Mahir by e-mail and left a phone message. I don't know if I can get a replacement or a refund, but I sure as hell hate paying for something that is a big of a POS as these things seems to be. Had I known back then, I never would have ordered it. Buyers' remorse is a bitch in this case. Vendors should really consider not selling these things to the unsuspecting. You live and learn I guess. I do have a KM Trimetal and QT on back up, so I won't be w/o some smoke. You know, ironically my cheapest made chinese no-name hits better than these "name" brands, Too bad the damned thing is rusting after a month or two. I have yet to find the perfect smoking balance for me. The QT seems to leak shisha juice every damned time I use it. The KM takes forever to get going and is too large and unwieldy to use and have to clean every evening. I guess I'll be uncool and use my no-name chinese cheapie that works flawlessly until it rusts up completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Could your QT be because of your bowl? Try using a phunnel or a vortex bowl if your not. Wetter shisha's will run down an Egyptian bowl and into the down stem pretty easily. And if your KM takes to long to get going, I would say its your heat management. What type of coals and how many are you using, and what size is your bowl? Little to no smoke almost always means not enough heat..sometimes improper packing. Your KM should hit like a beast. It also depends on the shisha you are using..some take more heat to get going then others. Bowl type also plays into this..it can be amazing how much adding an extra coal and waiting 25 seconds can do for the amount of smoke you can pull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hookah hippie Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 maybe you could solder it back on? I don't know if that's dangerous but hey so is smoking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1318886501' post='528060'] Could your QT be because of your bowl? Try using a phunnel or a vortex bowl if your not. Wetter shisha's will run down an Egyptian bowl and into the down stem pretty easily. And if your KM takes to long to get going, I would say its your heat management. What type of coals and how many are you using, and what size is your bowl? Little to no smoke almost always means not enough heat..sometimes improper packing. Your KM should hit like a beast. It also depends on the shisha you are using..some take more heat to get going then others. Bowl type also plays into this..it can be amazing how much adding an extra coal and waiting 25 seconds can do for the amount of smoke you can pull. [/quote] I am new to hookah, so it could be all of those things. When my KM gets going it does hit hard. The QT is the bowl, I've doubled up the grommets and will try another bowl. That should stop my hookah from having it's period when I'm trying to enjoy nice shisha. For what it's worth I've only tried Nakhla, AF, and SB. The AF is runny like sunny side up sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote name='hookah hippie' timestamp='1318894501' post='528074'] maybe you could solder it back on? I don't know if that's dangerous but hey so is smoking [/quote] I took a less technical approach. Let's just say 5 minutes with a small gunsmithing hammer and the down stem is in place for now. Mahir at NazarHookah assured me he'd work to get a replacement down stem if the hammer method didn't work. I think I'm just going to write it off. Besides I have some good pipes already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 17, 2011 Author Share Posted October 17, 2011 [quote name='Epoch' timestamp='1318876988' post='528046'] [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1318872250' post='528030'] [u][b]The downstem is supposed to be able to screw in and out. Why you couldn't get it out, not sure[/b][/u]. But yeah, just go ahead and replace it with a regular Gelato and avoid the crap-quality Econo line from now on. [/quote] My Econo QT has a stuck downstem also. All the screw-on parts are kinda fused together. [/quote] Don't force it. You may not get it back on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 If the juices are running down your stem and the km takes too long to get going, then how is it the hookah's fault? Juices run down the stem if you use a mod or egyptian bowl with wet tobacco. Get a tang/crown/alien phunnel bowl and that should stop it from happening + make the session last longer for the same reason. And you are probably doing something wrong with the km as well, as the hookah doesn't play any part in how long it takes for the bowl to get going. What bowl, tobacco, coals are you using? And how much coal do you use? Do you pack the bowl full? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 [quote name='bigpatvoodoodad' timestamp='1318895035' post='528075'] [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1318886501' post='528060'] Could your QT be because of your bowl? Try using a phunnel or a vortex bowl if your not. Wetter shisha's will run down an Egyptian bowl and into the down stem pretty easily. And if your KM takes to long to get going, I would say its your heat management. What type of coals and how many are you using, and what size is your bowl? Little to no smoke almost always means not enough heat..sometimes improper packing. Your KM should hit like a beast. It also depends on the shisha you are using..some take more heat to get going then others. Bowl type also plays into this..it can be amazing how much adding an extra coal and waiting 25 seconds can do for the amount of smoke you can pull. [/quote] I am new to hookah, so it could be all of those things. When my KM gets going it does hit hard. The QT is the bowl, I've doubled up the grommets and will try another bowl. That should stop my hookah from having it's period when I'm trying to enjoy nice shisha. For what it's worth I've only tried Nakhla, AF, and SB. The AF is runny like sunny side up sometimes. [/quote] If its runny its because your using an Egyptian bowl of some sort. Get either a type of phunnel bowl or a vortex bowl. Any wet shisha will drip down the holes in the Egyptian style bowl...one of the bowls mentioned draws your smoke differently, and allows the shisha to soak in the juice the whole session, keeping in flavor, and adding length to your session. Longer session and less shisha used. Also, do some research. Vendetta and I mentioned coals...AF for example uses medium heat, typically. Nakhla however, uses and needs high heat to get smoking good. Just ask your questions to find out what kind of bowl is best for the type of shisha, and what kind of heat management to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 [quote name='bigpatvoodoodad' timestamp='1318895035' post='528075'] [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1318886501' post='528060'] Could your QT be because of your bowl? Try using a phunnel or a vortex bowl if your not. Wetter shisha's will run down an Egyptian bowl and into the down stem pretty easily. And if your KM takes to long to get going, I would say its your heat management. What type of coals and how many are you using, and what size is your bowl? Little to no smoke almost always means not enough heat..sometimes improper packing. Your KM should hit like a beast. It also depends on the shisha you are using..some take more heat to get going then others. Bowl type also plays into this..it can be amazing how much adding an extra coal and waiting 25 seconds can do for the amount of smoke you can pull. [/quote] I am new to hookah, so it could be all of those things.[b] When my KM gets going it does hit hard.[/b] The QT is the bowl, I've doubled up the grommets and will try another bowl. That should stop my hookah from having it's period when I'm trying to enjoy nice shisha. For what it's worth I've only tried Nakhla, AF, and SB. The AF is runny like sunny side up sometimes. [/quote] You mean like the normal KM rumble? Or you mean the smoke is hard? If its the latter... whats your set up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1318948339' post='528159'] [quote name='bigpatvoodoodad' timestamp='1318895035' post='528075'] [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1318886501' post='528060'] Could your QT be because of your bowl? Try using a phunnel or a vortex bowl if your not. Wetter shisha's will run down an Egyptian bowl and into the down stem pretty easily. And if your KM takes to long to get going, I would say its your heat management. What type of coals and how many are you using, and what size is your bowl? Little to no smoke almost always means not enough heat..sometimes improper packing. Your KM should hit like a beast. It also depends on the shisha you are using..some take more heat to get going then others. Bowl type also plays into this..it can be amazing how much adding an extra coal and waiting 25 seconds can do for the amount of smoke you can pull. [/quote] I am new to hookah, so it could be all of those things.[b] When my KM gets going it does hit hard.[/b] The QT is the bowl, I've doubled up the grommets and will try another bowl. That should stop my hookah from having it's period when I'm trying to enjoy nice shisha. For what it's worth I've only tried Nakhla, AF, and SB. The AF is runny like sunny side up sometimes. [/quote] You mean like the normal KM rumble? Or you mean the smoke is hard? If its the latter... whats your set up? [/quote] No, awesome clouds with much flavor. I just like the convenience of a smaller hookah during the work week when my time is at a premium. I have a KM Tri-metal and KM hose. I usually have AF tobacco and one 33mm 3-King Quicklite. Edited October 18, 2011 by bigpatvoodoodad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 Floataround and Vendetta thanks for the tips and advice. I am still learning. I did order a Vortex bowl. It didn't fit any of my hookahs (even when doubling up grommets, etc.). It also chipped on the bottom when I was attempting to remove a grommet that was rolling around in the bottom of the bowl. I will get another and a mod grommet to see if this can relieve the shisha-drip. I had a good session with my Mya QT last night. I doubled up the grommets to seal the bowl. Instead of the juices running down the stem, they went into the vase. The water had a pinkish hue to it and looked like watered-down punch As far as running the KM, I have improved since starting this new hobby back in late August. I will not get frustrated with it. The last few times with my KM have been great since learning heat management and tobacco heat-tolerance. My only complaint with the KM is that it is so large and it makes cleaning more of a chore than a smaller hookah. This isn't that big of a deal on weekends when I have more time and off from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 having any kind of phunnel style bowl will stop the running as long as its packed right...there is just nowhere for the juice to go except to float around in your bowl. And yea, for my vortex, I use a mod grommet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 Got the following on the way to help with shisha-leakage: [list=1] [*]Alien MINI Phunnel Bowl [*]Vortex bowl [*]Tangiers small phunnel [*]Tangiers medium phunnel [*]mod bowl grommets [/list] Also got 250g of Tangiers Indian Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 If facing problems with the grommets, just wrap a wet paper towel around the bowl port and jam the bowl on it. Best seal you will ever get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 18, 2011 Author Share Posted October 18, 2011 [quote name='vendetta_revived' timestamp='1318959878' post='528187'] If facing problems with the grommets, just wrap a wet paper towel around the bowl port and jam the bowl on it. Best seal you will ever get! [/quote] Will do just this if/when the time comes. Thanks man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 The ol' girl may have some life left in her yet. Giving my newly "modified" (i.e., hammered) Econo Gelato another shot. One 33mm 3king through a bowl of Nakhla Double Apple and so far the downstem has remained in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 But...you have a KM...why use the mya econo >_> I smoked mine once, just to use it , and that will be the only time.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigpatvoodoodad Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share Posted October 21, 2011 [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1319079851' post='528390'] But...you have a KM...why use the mya econo >_> I smoked mine once, just to use it , and that will be the only time.. [/quote] I will soon have 2 KMs Anyways, last nights session was to test if my repair had actually worked. Second night of using it to "durability" test it. It has smoked well. In fact I went through one Razan coal to start it and 2 QL in succession to top off the session. The AF Double Apple I'm smoking is tasting awesome. I like smaller hookahs during the week for ease of use and easy cleaning. The Econo Gelato smokes well and I wanted to at least see if I could get it going again and glad I did. My plan is to put mileage on the Econo and use sparingly the higher quality hookahs I own. I did have a great session out of my KM the other night. I really like the huge stem on KMs and the wider diameter hoses. Can't wait to get my new one - [url="http://www.hookahcompany.com/fuse_khalil_mamoon_hookah_5592_prd1.htm"]http://www.hookahcompany.com/fuse_khalil_mamoon_hookah_5592_prd1.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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