Stuie Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Well If you get emails from HC and H-S you might notice something at the very bottom. [color=#5E5E5E][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Hookah Company | 3731 Drossett Drive | Austin , TX 78744[/size][/font][/color] [color=#5E5E5E][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Hookah-Shisha | 3731 Drossett Drive | Austin, TX 78744[/size][/font][/color] [color=#5E5E5E][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Thought it was odd when HC started stocking Nammor Hoses and some Nammor Hookahs, When I saw the new KM Names and the leila in this last email.... well...[/size][/font][/color] [color=#5E5E5E][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]I was wondering if I was the only one that noticed this.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#5E5E5E][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]I had heard H-S was absorbing another company's inventory, but I never would have guessed HC.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#5E5E5E][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]Any body got news from George about this?[/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Yeah, Eric mentioned that HC was bought out by HS. Pretty sad news for the hookah industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mavsfan31 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='joytron' timestamp='1324521590' post='533543'] Yeah, Eric mentioned that HC was bought out by HS. Pretty sad news for the hookah industry. [/quote] This. Eric talked about it on .us. A shame, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Surprised you didn't see where Eric mentioned this, Stuie. Sucks. George is an awesome guy and I loved ordering from him. I guess they're only keeping HookahCompany for the name/image? I think they may in the future do away with HC and just have H-S. Just my thoughts, may happen, may not. Why run two sites if you're only going to have the same stuff? After a while, I think the whole name/image reason to keep HC in its current state will be irrelevant once most people know of the ownership change. Also, guess H-S, in a way, finally has legit Tangiers phunnels now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 George is happy to be out of the business, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1324522493' post='533545'] Surprised you didn't see where Eric mentioned this, Stuie. Sucks. George is an awesome guy and I loved ordering from him. I guess they're only keeping HookahCompany for the name/image? I think they may in the future do away with HC and just have H-S. Just my thoughts, may happen, may not. Why run two sites if you're only going to have the same stuff? After a while, I think the whole name/image reason to keep HC in its current state will be irrelevant once most people know of the ownership change. Also, guess H-S, in a way, finally has legit Tangiers phunnels now. [/quote] Only spending a little time on either site at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Bad news, I despise H-S. takes them forever to process an order, and they always have a (lame) excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grock Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I dont know, when I first started in hookah, I like most people I feel, started with H-S. Prices could be better, but never really any complaints with em. Shipped promptly as I would expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1324522493' post='533545'] Surprised you didn't see where Eric mentioned this, Stuie. Sucks. George is an awesome guy and I loved ordering from him. I guess they're only keeping HookahCompany for the name/image? I think they may in the future do away with HC and just have H-S. Just my thoughts, may happen, may not. Why run two sites if you're only going to have the same stuff? After a while, I think the whole name/image reason to keep HC in its current state will be irrelevant once most people know of the ownership change. Also, guess H-S, in a way, finally has legit Tangiers phunnels now. [/quote] I think they can't officially merge the two companies instantly because of the accounting issues that could arise. I do see it happening eventually though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324523645' post='533551'] George is happy to be out of the business, by the way. [/quote] This was my first thought. Tell him congrats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoozle Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 99% of hookah smokers don't know that the companies have merged and 98% will never figure it out. Most likely HC will continue on as a marketing pawn for H-S. Think about this, increase the prices at HC to make the prices at H-S seem better. Some people will still order from HC for one reason or another but it doesn't matter. Money is all going to the same place and the few items bought from HC are huge profit. Win-Win for H-S. Wouldn't it be nice if you had full control over one of your competitors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) Yeah, I don't think that would work. If H-S was the only competitor, then I could see it panning out. But, there's so many other retailers....why would everyone automagically go to H-S? Too many better (imo) vendors out there to blindly jump to H-S. Edited December 22, 2011 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I used to love hs but not so much anymore...I like hookahcompany sneak sad to see it in the hands of hs ...I did notice them stocking hs products recently and was wondering what was going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoozle Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324574416' post='533597'] Yeah, I don't think that would work. If H-S was the only competitor, then I could see it panning out. But, there's so many other retailers....why would everyone automagically go to H-S? Too many better (imo) vendors out there to blindly jump to H-S. [/quote] If that's that case, why is H-S still in business; and doing well enough to buy HC for that matter. Not everyone is as well informed as you. H-S won't get 100% of the orphaned HC customers, but they will get some. It definitely won't hurt them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324523645' post='533551'] George is happy to be out of the business, by the way. [/quote] I was gonna say... I bet he is partying it up. I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Skoozle' timestamp='1324583362' post='533613'] [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324574416' post='533597'] Yeah, I don't think that would work. If H-S was the only competitor, then I could see it panning out. But, there's so many other retailers....why would everyone automagically go to H-S? Too many better (imo) vendors out there to blindly jump to H-S. [/quote] If that's that case, why is H-S still in business; and doing well enough to buy HC for that matter. Not everyone is as well informed as you. H-S won't get 100% of the orphaned HC customers, but they will get some. It definitely won't hurt them. [/quote]Because you don't have to own the majority share of this niche market to stay in business. As has been said by several people, the industry is large enough for everyone to get their share and stay in business. Granted, H-S will get some of the former HC customers, but you don't have to increase HC prices to do so. In fact, I suspect raising prices will be hardly beneficial at all. Edited December 22, 2011 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper151 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1324584243' post='533616'] [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324523645' post='533551'] George is happy to be out of the business, by the way. [/quote] I was gonna say... I bet he is partying it up. I would. [/quote] Why do you all agree that he will be happy? Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='viper151' timestamp='1324589729' post='533627'] [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1324584243' post='533616'] [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324523645' post='533551'] George is happy to be out of the business, by the way. [/quote] I was gonna say... I bet he is partying it up. I would. [/quote] Why do you all agree that he will be happy? Am I missing something? [/quote] [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Funny%20pics%20and%20gifs/dj-pauly-d-funny-face-300x279.jpg[/IMG] Hookah industry is cutthroat, bro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawhee Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I love you Chris <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 [quote name='Bawhee' timestamp='1324593943' post='533634'] I love you Chris <3 [/quote] I do what I can. Love you too, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoozle Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324585336' post='533617'] [quote name='Skoozle' timestamp='1324583362' post='533613'] [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324574416' post='533597'] Yeah, I don't think that would work. If H-S was the only competitor, then I could see it panning out. But, there's so many other retailers....why would everyone automagically go to H-S? Too many better (imo) vendors out there to blindly jump to H-S. [/quote] If that's that case, why is H-S still in business; and doing well enough to buy HC for that matter. Not everyone is as well informed as you. H-S won't get 100% of the orphaned HC customers, but they will get some. It definitely won't hurt them. [/quote]Because you don't have to own the majority share of this niche market to stay in business. As has been said by several people, the industry is large enough for everyone to get their share and stay in business. Granted, H-S will get some of the former HC customers, but you don't have to increase HC prices to do so. In fact, I suspect raising prices will be hardly beneficial at all. [/quote] I agree that the majority market share is not necessary to stay in business. H-S has already proven that. They have also shown that that an online retailer can be successful with a poor selection, not so great pricing and a decent marketing campaign. To say that the average hookah smoker will carefully consider all of the available online retailers is in my opinion giving the average hookah smoker too much credit. I suspect that the success of H-S is dependent on blind jumping. People go to H-S because they know of them. I've shopped H-S and I can't see any other reason to order from them. For the people who currently order from HC and don't really know of other places except for H-S would Edited December 22, 2011 by Skoozle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoozle Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Migrate to H-S. Damn phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viper151 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Well in my humble opinion and my small experience with hj, hookah-shisha and 5starhookah, h-s is there for a reason. They have the best customer support and they shipped immediately. They might be a little bit more expensive but that's the price you pay for communicating with them. I really liked the fact that whenever I opened the live chat, someone was there ready to talk to me, compared to 5starhookah and hj who didn't even care to respond to my e-mails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 I have to go against the grain a bit as well and I really dont have anything bad to say about H-S. Ordered quiet a few times from them , always got next day shipping, and always got my package 3 days later (tx-md). I dont agree with some things (heavy marketing of the vortex bowl, not carrying Tangiers bowl products). Hell, they even did free shipping for me when I ordered some different grommets when the one I ordered did not work. A Nammor hose came apart two months after I had ordered it - I called them up, sent them a picture while I was talking to them, and they shipped another right out. At this point, I always shop around and see who has what on sale etc, but I have no bad experiences with H-S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Skoozle' timestamp='1324595849' post='533639'] [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324585336' post='533617'] [quote name='Skoozle' timestamp='1324583362' post='533613'] [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1324574416' post='533597'] Yeah, I don't think that would work. If H-S was the only competitor, then I could see it panning out. But, there's so many other retailers....why would everyone automagically go to H-S? Too many better (imo) vendors out there to blindly jump to H-S. [/quote] If that's that case, why is H-S still in business; and doing well enough to buy HC for that matter. Not everyone is as well informed as you. H-S won't get 100% of the orphaned HC customers, but they will get some. It definitely won't hurt them. [/quote]Because you don't have to own the majority share of this niche market to stay in business. As has been said by several people, the industry is large enough for everyone to get their share and stay in business. Granted, H-S will get some of the former HC customers, but you don't have to increase HC prices to do so. In fact, I suspect raising prices will be hardly beneficial at all. [/quote] I agree that the majority market share is not necessary to stay in business. H-S has already proven that. They have also shown that that an online retailer can be successful with a poor selection, not so great pricing and a decent marketing campaign. To say that the average hookah smoker will carefully consider all of the available online retailers is in my opinion giving the average hookah smoker too much credit. I suspect that the success of H-S is dependent on blind jumping. People go to H-S because they know of them. I've shopped H-S and I can't see any other reason to order from them. For the people who currently order from HC and don't really know of other places except for H-S would [/quote]I don't think anyone has said people will carefully consider all available retailers. My point was that raising HC prices will not push customers strictly to H-S. The only thing you can reasonably expect is that the customer will not shop at HC. However, I do think your average online customer does shop around. They may not carefully consider their options, but it is plausible they may check a few websites. Some of these websites will not be H-S and some will be better than H-S. So, what H-S did was push business into the "doors" of another company. If they ran HC equally, they could've kept their business. It would be better to close the site and put up a redirector instead of raising the prices. Edited December 23, 2011 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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