DrSmokes Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 As a Doctor, I'd like to educate myself more on this. I feel there are many biased articles written in the research databases as well as webpages found via Google and would like to read unbiased, well-written articles. I'm looking for very specific changes on the body (digestive system, brain, muscles, fat, various cells, etc). Too many articles focus solely on the lungs. While I know it's bad on the lungs, I would like to also know how hookah smoke (when done right) affects it as opposed to cigarette smoke (which all articles are based around). So I'm coming here as I know there are many smart and well educated members here that may have looked into some of these things. I'm going to continue my search but it would be nice to see if anyone here has come across anything. I'm not looking for reasons to stop smoking btw, just wanting to see the exact affects on the body. Knowing the affects on the body can help me determine which vitamins, micronutrients, and enzymes to take to specifically target those tissues to reduce the affects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalSoil Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 I remember reading a good thread on here talking about carcinogens. Basically, the natural carcinogens in tobacco (fewer than in processed cigarette tobacco) are not actually released until combustion and temperatures of 600deg.+. When we use coals the coal may get that hot, but the shisha is baked rather than burned. No combustion, lower temperatures. Most of the "scientific studies" are done incorrectly according to how someone would actually smoke. Examples: coals right on top of shisha, way way to many coals, wrong kinds of coals, constant pulling (air being drawn through the hose). All of those factors whether individual or mixed cause the temperature to be greatly increased and can easily burn the shisha. Nobody in their right mind would intentionally smoke with those conditions. I know this may not be exactly what you were looking for, but it may be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 so far the only thing i can think of really is it filling me up so like i dont want to eat but most stuff does th at really but i have noticed that it does jump my bowels a bit more then usually when i smoke in the morning, instead of coffee in the mroning i do hookah lol i guess its ok idk but i yah eric would be a great sorce of information if u could get a hold of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted January 21, 2012 Author Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='EternalSoil' timestamp='1327167029' post='536269'] I remember reading a good thread on here talking about carcinogens. Basically, the natural carcinogens in tobacco (fewer than in processed cigarette tobacco) are not actually released until combustion and temperatures of 600deg.+. When we use coals the coal may get that hot, but the shisha is baked rather than burned. No combustion, lower temperatures. Most of the "scientific studies" are done incorrectly according to how someone would actually smoke. Examples: coals right on top of shisha, way way to many coals, wrong kinds of coals, constant pulling (air being drawn through the hose). All of those factors whether individual or mixed cause the temperature to be greatly increased and can easily burn the shisha. Nobody in their right mind would intentionally smoke with those conditions. I know this may not be exactly what you were looking for, but it may be a start. [/quote] Yeah, I was reading that too. I think it was Eric that brought that all to our attention. [quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1327171361' post='536281'] so far the only thing i can think of really is it filling me up so like i dont want to eat but most stuff does th at really but i have noticed that it does jump my bowels a bit more then usually when i smoke in the morning, instead of coffee in the mroning i do hookah lol i guess its ok idk but i yah eric would be a great sorce of information if u could get a hold of him [/quote] Funny you should say that...I've noticed the same thing. After about 30-45 min into my morning session (when I smoke in the morning), I have a bowel movement. But the thing is, what is it doing to the intestines? The intestinal wall? The mucosal layer? Are they being altered in anyway during or after the session? I have so many questions but I don't think there will be research done on it as there is no money to be had with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 well let start here i have crohns which doens't help so i do go numero dos about 5 times a day or more but the morning smoke makes it go faster also im pretty sure from what i feel in my body is that it is pushing what ever is in me down, also the small amount of nicotine im sure help with the process since it does enter ur blood and make ur body work a little bit more and process, i feel that it does go into my instanines but i am missing 3 inches of my small instestine due to the cronhs so i have that small layer of bile on my intestine wall that passes in andout of me a lot i see it in my stoul still which sucks but its normal for smoeone like me. But i also feel that smoking has helped me due to i haven't had as much pain or flare ups since i stoped eatting meat and also smoking more hookah like the nicotine helps surpress it and relax my body internally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 [quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1327172384' post='536288'] well let start here i have crohns which doens't help so i do go numero dos about 5 times a day or more but the morning smoke makes it go faster also im pretty sure from what i feel in my body is that it is pushing what ever is in me down, also the small amount of nicotine im sure help with the process since it does enter ur blood and make ur body work a little bit more and process, i feel that it does go into my instanines but i am missing 3 inches of my small instestine due to the cronhs so i have that small layer of bile on my intestine wall that passes in andout of me a lot i see it in my stoul still which sucks but its normal for smoeone like me. But i also feel that smoking has helped me due to i haven't had as much pain or flare ups since i stoped eatting meat and also smoking more hookah like the nicotine helps surpress it and relax my body internally [/quote] my psycho ex GF/ ex roomate also had chrons and she always said smoking hookah helped her symptoms too.. interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted January 21, 2012 Share Posted January 21, 2012 There is a LOT of research showing that the carcinogens in tobacco are caused by radioactive particles present in certain types of tobacco. It might be worth investigating how many of these show up in hookah smoke, given the lack of combustion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted January 22, 2012 Author Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1327172384' post='536288'] well let start here i have crohns which doens't help so i do go numero dos about 5 times a day or more but the morning smoke makes it go faster also im pretty sure from what i feel in my body is that it is pushing what ever is in me down, also the small amount of nicotine im sure help with the process since it does enter ur blood and make ur body work a little bit more and process, i feel that it does go into my instanines but i am missing 3 inches of my small instestine due to the cronhs so i have that small layer of bile on my intestine wall that passes in andout of me a lot i see it in my stoul still which sucks but its normal for smoeone like me. But i also feel that smoking has helped me due to i haven't had as much pain or flare ups since i stoped eatting meat and also smoking more hookah like the nicotine helps surpress it and relax my body internally [/quote] Not to go off topic, but I've treated someone with crohns and one of the best things that helped was him getting off of any wheat products. He use to always eat sandwiches and I told him to start using romaine leafs for the bread and he said that that helped (among me treating him...hard to explain...I do a lot of digestive work so I also gave him some supplements and a potent multi-vitamin and he's been good now for 2+ years). But that's interesting that between you and mustang's ex, that smoking hookah has helped. I know the guy I treated has resorted to weed... lol [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1327184402' post='536292'] There is a LOT of research showing that the carcinogens in tobacco are caused by radioactive particles present in certain types of tobacco. It might be worth investigating how many of these show up in hookah smoke, given the lack of combustion. [/quote] Yeah, I believe Eric was looking into much of that and as someone said, it has to reach a certain temp to release those carcinogens. My whole thing is, what does the tobacco do to the entire body...not just the carcinogens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 If you read any of the most commonly quoted studies on hookah use, you have to check what style of set up they are using. The WHO and the rest use the old traditional method if i recall. Direct heat on the tobacco, no foil, so all of their data is skewed hopelessly from what the vast majority of modern hookah smokers are experiencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 [quote name='DrSmokes' timestamp='1327202081' post='536314'] [quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1327172384' post='536288'] well let start here i have crohns which doens't help so i do go numero dos about 5 times a day or more but the morning smoke makes it go faster also im pretty sure from what i feel in my body is that it is pushing what ever is in me down, also the small amount of nicotine im sure help with the process since it does enter ur blood and make ur body work a little bit more and process, i feel that it does go into my instanines but i am missing 3 inches of my small instestine due to the cronhs so i have that small layer of bile on my intestine wall that passes in andout of me a lot i see it in my stoul still which sucks but its normal for smoeone like me. But i also feel that smoking has helped me due to i haven't had as much pain or flare ups since i stoped eatting meat and also smoking more hookah like the nicotine helps surpress it and relax my body internally [/quote] Not to go off topic, but I've treated someone with crohns and one of the best things that helped was him getting off of any wheat products. He use to always eat sandwiches and I told him to start using romaine leafs for the bread and he said that that helped (among me treating him...hard to explain...I do a lot of digestive work so I also gave him some supplements and a potent multi-vitamin and he's been good now for 2+ years). But that's interesting that between you and mustang's ex, that smoking hookah has helped. I know the guy I treated has resorted to weed... lol [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1327184402' post='536292'] There is a LOT of research showing that the carcinogens in tobacco are caused by radioactive particles present in certain types of tobacco. It might be worth investigating how many of these show up in hookah smoke, given the lack of combustion. [/quote] Yeah, I believe Eric was looking into much of that and as someone said, it has to reach a certain temp to release those carcinogens. My whole thing is, what does the tobacco do to the entire body...not just the carcinogens. [/quote] well i used to have my script for medical marajuana back in the day for it because the flare ups were so painful and yah i just stoped eating meat and cut out some other things and i am fine i have at most now 1 flare up a year its fantastic and i haven't taken any meds for it for over 3 years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmon Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Interesting discussion so far. I recently knocked up my girlfriend and we live together in a one bedroom place. I try to be as supportive as I can, opening windows, putting a fan right on me, sitting next to the window, using a wind shield, having the overhead fan on (waiting for her to go to sleep before I smoke). But she can still smell it and thinks that it is bad for her and the baby. I'm not going to risk either of there health for my own enjoyment, but would like to know to does the smell of the shisha ( as in being able to smell it means there could also be things in the air in that vicinity) contains any carcinogens or unhealthy chemicals that could influence a person through 2nd hand smoke? Also would the new [b] [size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Shiazo Shisha Steam Stones be a healthier alternative for lady and the baby.[/font][/size][/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Not sure how this might affect intestinal tracts and such, but another thing to keep in mind is oxygen deprivation. Unlike most forms of smoking, modern hookah smokers tend to take large lungfuls of smoke frequently. This is why it is suggested you take breaks or smoke with others on a single hose pipe...it just gives you a break to stifle oxygen deprivation. Could that oxygen deprivation do anything to the body itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Kmon' timestamp='1327337699' post='536397'] Interesting discussion so far. I recently knocked up my girlfriend and we live together in a one bedroom place. I try to be as supportive as I can, opening windows, putting a fan right on me, sitting next to the window, using a wind shield, having the overhead fan on (waiting for her to go to sleep before I smoke). But she can still smell it and thinks that it is bad for her and the baby. I'm not going to risk either of there health for my own enjoyment, but would like to know to does the smell of the shisha ( as in being able to smell it means there could also be things in the air in that vicinity) contains any carcinogens or unhealthy chemicals that could influence a person through 2nd hand smoke? Also would the new [b] [size=3][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Shiazo Shisha Steam Stones be a healthier alternative for lady and the baby.[/font][/size][/b] [/quote] I'm not sure aroma can contribute to physical effects on the body. For instance, I'm seriously off put by the smell of kimchee...but, smelling it does not mean it to enters my system. This may be false information, but it just seems like common sense. Edited January 23, 2012 by Arcane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmon Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I agree, but explaining common sense to the girlfriend isn't always as straight forward as you would think. and she is a lot smarter then me. (jeebus help us). And she is a lawyer which makes my feeble mind explode with her counter points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 just do as she says and you will find your life a whole lot easier. go sit outside someplace to smoke or go over to a friends house. Take it from a married guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmon Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Good advice, it's hard some times when common sense gets in the way, but that's what i get for thinking on my own. The building is none smoking and she doesn't want me to smoke outside on the deck because "everyone would see me" even though half of the tenants in the building smoke cigs or other on there porch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrSmokes Posted January 24, 2012 Author Share Posted January 24, 2012 You also have to remember that pregnant women have a hightened sense of smell. So it may not be the shisha she is smell, but the coals burning. I would think that if you have all those fans and windows open, there should be no threat to her or the baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1327349909' post='536421'] For instance, I'm seriously off put by the smell of kimchee... [/quote] But it tastes soooo good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1327367529' post='536462'] [quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1327349909' post='536421'] For instance, I'm seriously off put by the smell of kimchee... [/quote] But it tastes soooo good [/quote]ew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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