Chreees Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='navy876' timestamp='1328072157' post='537372'] I didnt think that heat management was important in all honesty. & I'd very much apperciaite it my man. I think it be easier to use skype or oovoo? If its fine with you. & BTW I saw that poll you did, I reallly like your stems, how much did you pay for them?? [/quote] Heat management is one of the most if not THE most important thing when it comes to smoking hookah. Thanks! I'd rather not disclose how much I paid, no offense. Two were received with great help by friends. I suggested TC because it'd be easier for you because there's typically someone there who could help you out. Hell, if you catch me on there, I'll pack a bowl on cam for you so you can watch me how I do it. I'm sure tons of other guys would be willing to do this as well. Listen to Float and Epoch- nothing but good advice. They know what they're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1328080562' post='537379'] Heat management is THE most important thing when it comes to smoking hookah. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy876 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Epoch' timestamp='1328076346' post='537377'] [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1328073794' post='537374'] The stem you use does matter on how easy the draw is, but things like flavor and clouds really come down to a mix of everything, but [u][b]most importantly heat management[/b][/u]. Each tobacco brand has its own heat limitations. You want to be able to hit the limit before it starts to get rough which will lead to charing or burning the tobacco. [u][b]When you are at that limit you will get maxium flavor and clouds[/b][/u]. Other facotors include the tobacco (some will produce larger and thicker clouds and flavor than others), the bowl and packing method, the hookah because of the type of draw you get, and the hose you are using due to the draw. Any type of tobacco can be smoked in any kind of bowl as long as it is packed correctly to fit that bowl, but there are certain bowls that work much better than others with specific kinds of tobacco, such as Tangiers. Tangiers tobacco will smoke its best in a Tangiers phunnel. It can be smoked in an egyptian bowl, but the results will not be as good (that does not mean bad however). There are a lot of little factors that you will pick up as you learn more through a mix of the things you watch and read, as well as through your own trial and error runs.[u][b] Dont get discourgaed, and done be afraid to mess up, try again, and ask questions[/b][/u]. [/quote] Float, you are the man as always. I second this post. So, Navy! About your heat management with SB in a Vortex - 1 - The bowl should be packed nice and full, and loose! Don't mash the tobacco in there. 2 - Get some nice, heavy duty foil (Reynold's Wrap HD is my personal fave) and poke a ton of little holes all over the whole thing. 3 - Add your coals (outer edge of the bowl), and puff for a few minutes. 4 - If it's still too thin and dull after a while, add more coals. If it's too harsh and hot, take some off, blow out the smoke in the base, wait a bit and puff again. Starbuzz can handle a pretty generous level of heat, so you'll get it. It'll become routine soon enough. [/quote] Alrighty. Should I buy a wind cover? And How often do I rotate the coals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weslypipes Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Keep the coals to the sides of the bowl. I rotate my coals when it starts getting harsh. Some people might disagree though. Also, I don't use a wind cover and everything's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 +1 to everything everyone else has mentioned. I personally like windcovers, as you can use a bit less coal and bring the heat up to the perfect level a bit easier. Once it's going, you take the windcover off and you've got great clouds. A windcover is by no means necessary, some use them, some don't. I didn't use them for about 5 years, but now I always use it. It is all personal preference, so whatever you decide to do, stay consistent with it. I would probably advise you to NOT get a windcover right away, as you will have a better understanding of heat management if you learn without using one. My biggest tip: Don't worry about cloud size. Worry about getting good flavor and smoke that is smooth and not harsh. Once you have that down, then worry about clouds. Personally, I still don't give a damn about clouds, I'm in it for flavor country. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Windcovers aren't a must. That said, I LOVE them. I never want to be without a wind screen again. Whenever you need a little touch of extra heat, or your charcoal is dying down and you want a little more smoke, a windcover is invaluable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1328115487' post='537400'] +1 to everything everyone else has mentioned. I personally like windcovers, as you can use a bit less coal and bring the heat up to the perfect level a bit easier. Once it's going, you take the windcover off and you've got great clouds. A windcover is by no means necessary, some use them, some don't. I didn't use them for about 5 years, but now I always use it. It is all personal preference, so whatever you decide to do, stay consistent with it. I would probably advise you to NOT get a windcover right away, as you will have a better understanding of heat management if you learn without using one. My biggest tip: Don't worry about cloud size. Worry about getting good flavor and smoke that is smooth and not harsh. Once you have that down, then worry about clouds. Personally, I still don't give a damn about clouds, I'm in it for flavor country. [/quote] I agree with waiting to use a windcover from the start, it will benefit you in the long run. Just as with food, you are cooking your tobacco, not burning it like you would a cigarette. Imagine preparing a turkey in an oven or a smoker. It can be a delicate process , and one that takes hours and hours to get ready. But its that much better when its fully prepaired. But after doing those things for a while, you might be able to learn other tricks in order to help speed up the process but still get that perfect flavor. Hookah is the same way. You will see a lot of us say we start with 3 or 4 coals, and than take one off, or we start with a windcover and take it off after a 10-20 minutes. But that 10-20 minutes can be a long time if your tobacco starts to char at 10 minutes and you leave that windcover on for another 10. Like Ty said, you are better off slowly letting your heat build up. Yea it might take 20 or 30 minutes for your bowl to really get going, but you will be sure you can have a good session. And the more you smoke, the easier it will be for you to tell when the tobacco has reached its max limit I was refering too. At that point, then you can start doing things like adding extra coals to start, or using a windcover from the start. If you really wanted to order a Windcover now, go ahead. You would be safe doing what Epoch said, because a windcover can keep a bowl going with dying coals while you prepair new ones. I just dont recomend using one to start your session until you have a little better of a feel for how to get things the way you like them. On the topic of clouds...while it is nice to have massive clouds, I think you will come to find, like most, its all about the taste. Certain tobaccos, like Al fakher, can give big clouds and little taste if underpacked. I dont think you would be to happy if while trying to figure out how to smoke it if you were getting big clouds with little to no taste. More complex and black leaf tobaccos like Zaghloul or Desi Murli give off very, very little clouds. However the taste with them will be huge. On the topic of coal rotation...I almost never do. I will pick spots, usually at 12 o'clock, and then between 7-8, and 4-5 for my first round. After 30 minutes or so I ash them, and keeping them in the same clock spot, move them in more towards the center of the bowl. I do it again after about another 30, and move them in more as well. On my secound round of coals , I go 6, 10, and 2 and follow the same ashing patern moving them in as I ash. Maybe when I am on my 3rd or 4th round depending on what I am smoking will I do a rotation as I am trying to find any wet spots at the bottom of the bowl still to cook off before calling it a night because chances are the entire top layed has been spent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1328115487' post='537400'] +1 to everything everyone else has mentioned. I personally like windcovers, as you can use a bit less coal and bring the heat up to the perfect level a bit easier. Once it's going, you take the windcover off and you've got great clouds. A windcover is by no means necessary, some use them, some don't. I didn't use them for about 5 years, but now I always use it. It is all personal preference, so whatever you decide to do, stay consistent with it. I would probably advise you to NOT get a windcover right away, as you will have a better understanding of heat management if you learn without using one. My biggest tip: Don't worry about cloud size. Worry about getting good flavor and smoke that is smooth and not harsh. Once you have that down, then worry about clouds. Personally, I still don't give a damn about clouds, I'm in it for flavor country. [/quote] [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1328119577' post='537422'] I agree with waiting to use a windcover from the start, it will benefit you in the long run. Just as with food, you are cooking your tobacco, not burning it like you would a cigarette. Imagine preparing a turkey in an oven or a smoker. It can be a delicate process , and one that takes hours and hours to get ready. But its that much better when its fully prepaired. But after doing those things for a while, you might be able to learn other tricks in order to help speed up the process but still get that perfect flavor. Hookah is the same way. You will see a lot of us say we start with 3 or 4 coals, and than take one off, or we start with a windcover and take it off after a 10-20 minutes. But that 10-20 minutes can be a long time if your tobacco starts to char at 10 minutes and you leave that windcover on for another 10. Like Ty said, you are better off slowly letting your heat build up. Yea it might take 20 or 30 minutes for your bowl to really get going, but you will be sure you can have a good session. And the more you smoke, the easier it will be for you to tell when the tobacco has reached its max limit I was refering too. At that point, then you can start doing things like adding extra coals to start, or using a windcover from the start. If you really wanted to order a Windcover now, go ahead. You would be safe doing what Epoch said, because a windcover can keep a bowl going with dying coals while you prepair new ones. I just dont recomend using one to start your session until you have a little better of a feel for how to get things the way you like them. On the topic of clouds...while it is nice to have massive clouds, I think you will come to find, like most, its all about the taste. Certain tobaccos, like Al fakher, can give big clouds and little taste if underpacked. I dont think you would be to happy if while trying to figure out how to smoke it if you were getting big clouds with little to no taste. More complex and black leaf tobaccos like Zaghloul or Desi Murli give off very, very little clouds. However the taste with them will be huge. On the topic of coal rotation...I almost never do. I will pick spots, usually at 12 o'clock, and then between 7-8, and 4-5 for my first round. After 30 minutes or so I ash them, and keeping them in the same clock spot, move them in more towards the center of the bowl. I do it again after about another 30, and move them in more as well. On my secound round of coals , I go 6, 10, and 2 and follow the same ashing patern moving them in as I ash. Maybe when I am on my 3rd or 4th round depending on what I am smoking will I do a rotation as I am trying to find any wet spots at the bottom of the bowl still to cook off before calling it a night because chances are the entire top layed has been spent. [/quote] My name is Chreees, and I approve both of these posts. +1 to both, couldn't have said it better myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Well thank you sir navy, let us know how it goes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy876 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 Well guys to every body that help contribute to this topic many thanks for all the advice + help. Im sorry for asking some dumbass questions like I said I love Hooka's and I love doing it with friends. Im a neanderthal when it comes to it. More so I didnt even know that my base was dare I say unique. But to top it all off, I saw floats and chreees Hookahs. I want a Hookah that looks like yalls. Were can I find one. You guys mentioned mine being a possible Egyption generic brand. & I dont want that, I want one 110% real so to say. Im sure the ones you have smoke the best. If you can please watch this video im posting its on YT. The guy has a Hookah and it hits and looks great! If you can tell me the kind of Hookah he has and were to find it aswell as the kind yall have and were yall bought them and if yall now any sites that are LEGIT on where I can buy one i'd GREATLY appericiate it. *& like I said I dont mean to be bugging, or sound like a complete dumbass. On the Youtube video just skip to 5:45. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c74LJaz3-hE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fineout Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1328071722' post='537369'] make sure your foil is shinny side down if u smoke with shinny side up it will give it a nasty taste big problem people that are new do wrong [/quote]this is the most wrong thing anyone has ever said on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) You came to hookahforum new to ask questions as you are new to hookah, the same way 99% of us came here! So your not bugging or looking dumb, your trying to learn! Something I like about hookah is there is always something new going on, coming out, and something new to learn or try. This is not something you can do overnight, so ask away! In regardes to your questions... First off, dont automatically say your hookah is bad just because it is generic. All generic means is that it does not have a brand name attached, and thats all that it means. I will lead into that with my hookhas... Only one out of the three of my hookas are available for purchase. Going from left to right... On the left is my Turkish Brass. I bought this from a forum member who bought it in Turkey a number of years ago. While the big name in Turkish Hookah's is "Elmas", mine performs exactly the same as an Elmas, but it is just generic. All that means is that it was made by someone in turkey who probably owns one little shop, and does no major marketing in the area or online trying to sell them. But even though its a generic no brand name, it performs just as well, and has the same level of craftsmanship behind it. That is what really matters. I understand where you are coming from because just like you want a brand name, I want an Elmas, just to have an Elmas. It has a nicer quality to it to say "I have an Elmas Hookah" as opposed to "I have a generic Turkish Brass". People will automically have an established quality with Elmas as opposed to me having to explain that mine performs just as well. While NazarHookah just started stocking an Elmas Model (he is the first North American vendor to do so), I really do not recomend one to you at this time, especially sense you have having heat isues. Turkish hookas do not have purge valvues which are pretty much a nessacity when starting out and working with heat management, as well as use Male bowls that can also be finiky with heat management. Save that purchase for when you have a greater concept of everything IMO The one in the middle is a Farida, and you can also get that one as well as other models from Nazar Hookah. It performs just as well or better depending on who you ask as a current Khalil Mamoon brand hookah (which is also another great option that you could not go wrong with.) They have a wide open draw and I have had no isssues with mine from day one. It is my most used pipe. The one on the right is a vintage Egyptian Awlad Sarhan that I restored for myself. Nazar is also the only vendor I am aware of that sells that brand modern pipe. I can not speak for the currently quality as I have yet to smoke from one. If your looking to get a new pipe and want to be asured that it is a quality one that will last for a long time as long as it is taken care off, you would be safe with a Farida, Khalil Mamoon, Nammor, or MYA brand hookah. Respectible vendors for these items include Nazarhookah, Hookah-shisha, Hookah John, and 5starhookah to name a few. Edited February 1, 2012 by Floataround Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy876 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 ATM I have somebody who wants to sell me this for 80$ [attachment=5739:ewewewewe.JPG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy876 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 Does it look Asian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='navy876' timestamp='1328130132' post='537449'] ATM I have somebody who wants to sell me this for 80$ [attachment=5739:ewewewewe.JPG] [/quote] I'd pass on that one. It looks nice and glamorous, and might even perform well. But it also looks like a generic brand Chinese-built machine made hookah. Judging by what you said before about wanting a quality, brand name pipe, I'd recommend.... 1 - Nammor (Egyptian) 2 - Khalil Mamoon (Egyptian) 3 - Nawras (Syrian) 4 - Farida (Egyptian/Syrian hybrid) 5 - Mya (Modern) 6 - Elmas (Turkish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy876 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 How can you tell when a Hookah is Mya,Namoor,Khalil Mamoon, Elmas ect? I wish they were labled -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy876 Posted February 1, 2012 Author Share Posted February 1, 2012 How can you tell when a Hookah is Mya,Nawras,Khalil Mamoon,Nammor,Farida? I wish they were labeld -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='navy876' timestamp='1328127342' post='537440'] Well guys to every body that help contribute to this topic many thanks for all the advice + help. Im sorry for asking some dumbass questions like I said I love Hooka's and I love doing it with friends. Im a neanderthal when it comes to it. More so I didnt even know that my base was dare I say unique. But to top it all off, I saw floats and chreees Hookahs. I want a Hookah that looks like yalls. Were can I find one. You guys mentioned mine being a possible Egyption generic brand. & I dont want that, I want one 110% real so to say. Im sure the ones you have smoke the best. If you can please watch this video im posting its on YT. The guy has a Hookah and it hits and looks great! If you can tell me the kind of Hookah he has and were to find it aswell as the kind yall have and were yall bought them and if yall now any sites that are LEGIT on where I can buy one i'd GREATLY appericiate it. *& like I said I dont mean to be bugging, or sound like a complete dumbass. On the Youtube video just skip to 5:45. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c74LJaz3-hE[/media] [/quote] You're not being buggy at all. I have not seen one dumbass question yet. This is what Hookah Forum is for- we're here to help you. In no time you'll be smoking like a champ. In the YouTube video, Jake is smoking out of a Khalil Mamoon, this model I believe: http://5starhookah.com/Khalil-Mamoon-1-Hose-Copper-Heart-KMCPH.htm Hookah brand names really don't matter, but if you wish to get a name brand one, that is totally up to you. Good sites to go with are NazarHookah.com, UltimateHookah.com, 5StarHookah.com, HookahCompany.com, and Hookah-Shisha.com. I recommend you go with a Farida or Khalil Mamoon if you want something like what a good many of us here on the forum have. Very well-built Egyptian hookahs. Syrians are hard to come across again right now (good ones anyway). Elmas is a hookah you're not ready to tackle yet, since you need to have your heat management down to where you no longer need a purge valve. Good luck man and remember, we're here for ya, no matter what the problem or question is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 As long as the pipe doesnt leak and you like the way it looks I would hold off on buying a new pipe (I am sure it smokes well). If you want to upgrade get a new hose and some natural coals if you don't already have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='navy876' timestamp='1328131394' post='537455'] How can you tell when a Hookah is Mya,Namoor,Khalil Mamoon, Elmas ect? I wish they were labled -.- [/quote] [quote name='navy876' timestamp='1328131444' post='537456'] How can you tell when a Hookah is Mya,Nawras,Khalil Mamoon,Nammor,Farida? I wish they were labeld -.- [/quote] Over time after seeing different brands/styles of hookahs and stuff, you'll be able to easily identify them. Most common ways are by looking at a few things: 1. The overall style of the shank. 2. The hose port. 3. The purge valve (or lack thereof). 4. The tray rest, the tray, or the way in which the tray goes onto the hookah. 5. The bowl port (Turkish hookahs have a female bowl port, whereas most Egyptians and Chinese have a male). etc... (I could think of more) I'll use my pictures of current and past hookahs I've owned as examples... Chinese (Mya brand): [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Hookah/DSC00899.jpg[/IMG] Chinese (Mya brand): [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Hookah/IMG_0124.jpg[/IMG] Syrian (Al Fakher brand): [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Hookah/DSC00854.jpg[/IMG] Syrian (Al Nawras brand): [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Hookah/IMG_1054.jpg[/IMG] Egyptian (Khalil Mamoon brand): [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Hookah/DSC01037.jpg[/IMG] Egyptian (Khalil Mamoon brand): [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Hookah/IMG_0083.jpg[/IMG] Egyptian (Khalil Mamoon brand): [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Hookah/IMG_0482.jpg[/IMG] Turkish (Elmas brand): [IMG]http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p40/INCUBUSRATM/Hookah/IMG_1430.jpg[/IMG] See some of the similarities and differences between them? Once you've seen enough, you get a good eye for what's what. Hope this has helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 [quote name='fineout' timestamp='1328128266' post='537442'] [quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1328071722' post='537369'] make sure your foil is shinny side down if u smoke with shinny side up it will give it a nasty taste big problem people that are new do wrong [/quote]this is the most wrong thing anyone has ever said on here [/quote] How is this the most wrong thing ever? it does make a difference i've noticed a taste effecting my bowl if the shinny side is up so...do u just randomly put ur foil on and not pick a side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoozle Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I don't pick sides and don't notice a difference. Uuugh; this is going to turn into one of those threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Let's keep this thread on track. If you want to debate over which side of the foil you use, do it on this thread Pavo started: http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/44763-what-side-of-the-foil-do-you-use/ Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navy876 Posted February 2, 2012 Author Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1328132721' post='537461'] [quote name='navy876' timestamp='1328131394' post='537455'] How can you tell when a Hookah is Mya,Namoor,Khalil Mamoon, Elmas ect? I wish they were labled -.- [/quote] [quote name='navy876' timestamp='1328131444' post='537456'] How can you tell when a Hookah is Mya,Nawras,Khalil Mamoon,Nammor,Farida? I wish they were labeld -.- [/quote] Over time after seeing different brands/styles of hookahs and stuff, you'll be able to easily identify them. Most common ways are by looking at a few things: 1. The overall style of the shank. 2. The hose port. 3. The purge valve (or lack thereof). 4. The tray rest, the tray, or the way in which the tray goes onto the hookah. 5. The bowl port (Turkish hookahs have a female bowl port, whereas most Egyptians and Chinese have a male). etc... (I could think of more) I'll use my pictures of current and past hookahs I've owned as examples... Chinese (Mya brand): Chinese (Mya brand): Syrian (Al Fakher brand): Syrian (Al Nawras brand): Egyptian (Khalil Mamoon brand): Egyptian (Khalil Mamoon brand): Egyptian (Khalil Mamoon brand): Turkish (Elmas brand): See some of the similarities and differences between them? Once you've seen enough, you get a good eye for what's what. Hope this has helped. [/quote]Many thanks Chreees You have sexyy ass Hookas if I may add! I will be using the 5starhookah website. & I'll be getting the Model you got for me! The one Jake has, Im in love with that Hookah. And because it has a purge valve which you said I still need. Before I order it, does it look like the Hookah is 110% Real no Generic? & if so then the quality should be great. As in the material and clouds! Edited February 2, 2012 by Chreees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Yeah, that's a 100% legit Khalil Mamoon, lol. This will ensure that the quality is great, yes, but the clouds are up to you, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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