melas Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Hey I want to order some shisha online and I was suggested to make an order on Hookahjohn.com. But... I live in Ontario Canada Has anybody ordered from them recently? and had good or bad experiences with them sending tobacco to Canada? Thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I was under the impression that he stopped shipping tobacco internationally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelLCP Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 [quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1329781841' post='539740'] I was under the impression that he stopped shipping tobacco internationally [/quote] This ^ But you could still go ahead and email him to find out. I think his email is John@HookahJohn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no longer welcome Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Still shipping internationally, but please read the terms and conditions, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobiasKM Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I've certainly gotten great service when ordering from Denmark, even with the added shipping it's still quite a lot cheaper than buying tobacco here in Denmark. It's rather ridiculous really. Obviously there's some extra waiting time to Europe, that's to be expected, and not something John is responsible for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melas Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='HookahJohn' timestamp='1329820624' post='539772'] Still shipping internationally, but please read the terms and conditions, thanks. [/quote] Only by Western Union?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no longer welcome Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 case by case but due to the following scenario, along with being frauded of course, I have decided to only accept WU to cover myself. International Buyer places order with HJ using credit card. International Buyer reads and accepts terms and conditions of HJ. International Buyer get his order processed perfectly and in a timely fashion....only with a bill from International Buyer's country/government to pay taxes. International Buyer decides, wah, my country taxes too much, I am not paying this. International Buyer aware of HJ's terms and conditions refuses his package and has it sent back to HJ. International Buyer expects a refund. International Buyer's package takes months to be returned to the US and package is beat up (remember we are dealing with usps and foreign postal workers, not tooth fairies who will handle your package with love) HJ explains situation to International Buyer but International Buyer thinks because he didn't "receive" his package he can just call his credit card company and refute the charges. International Buyer's in the past have caused HJ to make this policy a few years back and now HJ is not being jerked around by International Buyer's who think they are above their countries taxes even if it means sticking it to HJ who fulfilled his obligations. HJ still loves you all, processes International Buyer's order all the time. There are issues with taxes, but people, you have to understand, taxes are not something I invented or enforce. Some of you regular international customers do get a little love and I will process your cards, but consider yourself in the 5%'ers. I really hope that all made sense and that I do appreciate all orders, however, I don't understand where this impression of me not shipping international came from? Anyhow, thanks HF. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Is it feasible for you to add a condition stating that international orders will be processed in 2 days, once you have safely got the payment in your bank? I am sorry, I am unaware if the customer can still refute the charges, never having done so. Also, is it possible to offer MF as an alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no longer welcome Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='vendetta_revived' timestamp='1329923831' post='539950'] Is it feasible for you to add a condition stating that international orders will be processed in 2 days, once you have safely got the payment in your bank? I am sorry, I am unaware if the customer can still refute the charges, never having done so. Also, is it possible to offer MF as an alternative? [/quote]thanks for chiming in, but 2 days isn't long enough, you, the consumer can refute charges months after it has been received, and me the merchant will have it swiped out of my account without warning or hesitance from the banks.MF doesn't allow hookah transactions, and I have heard (not seen) that there can be fraud with MF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 [quote name='HookahJohn' timestamp='1329925127' post='539957'] [quote name='vendetta_revived' timestamp='1329923831' post='539950'] Is it feasible for you to add a condition stating that international orders will be processed in 2 days, once you have safely got the payment in your bank? I am sorry, I am unaware if the customer can still refute the charges, never having done so. Also, is it possible to offer MF as an alternative? [/quote]thanks for chiming in, but 2 days isn't long enough, you, the consumer can refute charges months after it has been received, and me the merchant will have it swiped out of my account without warning or hesitance from the banks.MF doesn't allow hookah transactions, and I have heard (not seen) that there can be fraud with MF. [/quote] Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well put John. I will Add that asking John to ship it under the radar as something else also puts John in a bad spot if he signs a customs form saying its not tobacco, and it is opened and it turns out he lied. So shipping internationally is a double pain in the ass for him. Ive never actually read your international shipping rules and such, but A disclaimer customers have to click on saying any package rfused by the buyer is still subject to to shipping fees and any damage that occurs in shipping. Having that form electronically "signed" by the customer may help with attempted reversals. Informed consent and all. just my .02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobiasKM Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well, when you order internationally, you're the one taking a risk. You can't expect a vendor to take those kinds of risks, it's not his responsibility. The most I could ever imagine asking, would be if I refused my package due to taxes, that John might send it again after he receives it, for en extra charge of course. And I wouldn't even expect him to do that, if I refuse a package, well that's my choice, I deal with the consequences. The rules around here recently got changed, taxes on shisha are around 210$ per kg shisha just in taxes. With that in mind, I'd likely be better off just making a new order and taking a gamble.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 ah..the price of socialized medicine...if its bad for you, you are gonna PAY to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 If I had to import shisha and pay the kind of taxes you guys do, I'd get real, REAL good at making my own in a hurry. 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A13lackFish Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 You could always look into a local shop and or a Canadian seller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no longer welcome Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 [quote name='A13lackFish' timestamp='1330051936' post='540292'] You could always look into a local shop and or a Canadian seller? [/quote]The problem with that is those local shops are subject to the same taxes. So if there is AF available in a Canadian store it's more likely to be priced at $40 per 250g. It's so high that there is little diversity in hookah tobacco in Canada and other countries. That's the reason people order from the US and take their chances, If it gets through unchecked the consumer is happy and pretty much got a bargain. But wow, some of those tobacco taxes are insane in other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobiasKM Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1330032744' post='540245'] ah..the price of socialized medicine...if its bad for you, you are gonna PAY to do it. [/quote] Yeah, we've got taxes en masse over here. Somewhere between 40 and 70% income tax, depending on how much you earn, 180% taxes on cars.. And now 210$ per kg shisha! It's a bit much sometimes. I think I've ordered tobacco something like 10 times from John, of varying quantities, only gotten "caught" in customs once. And back then I "only" ended up paying 60$ for 1.5kg shisha. You can't blame me for taking a gamble 250g of Al Fakher is 55$ with local vendors, I've saved so much money doing it this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Seems like only a few countries outside the middle east haven't added crazy taxes on tobacco yet.Its probably just a matter of time Edited February 27, 2012 by king_lunchb0x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 [quote name='king_lunchb0x' timestamp='1330355450' post='540631'] Seems like only a few countries outside the middle east haven't added crazy taxes on tobacco yet.Its probably just a matter of time [/quote] Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jordan Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 [quote name='king_lunchb0x' timestamp='1330355450' post='540631'] Seems like only a few countries outside the middle east haven't added crazy taxes on tobacco yet.Its probably just a matter of time [/quote] Middleeastern countries do have taxes on tobacco and it varies but not as outragous as Europe, more like the US. BTW, I know some vendors do ship overseas all the time but to avoid taxes they call it "molassis" and remove all the packaging like the box or labels that has the word tobacco written on it. So techincally they are lying but the same time they are not since many people call moassel different names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobiasKM Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Well, there used to be a work around here in Denmark, back when shisha wasn't mentioned explicitly, but was calculated from the tax on tobacco - you could argue that only a certain percentage of it, apprently quite a small one, is actual tobacco, the rest is molasses and other ingredients, which weren't covered. It basically cut the tax to 1/4 of what it was "supposed" to be. Alas, it is no more In any case, rules are rules, and you can't expect a vendor to take any risc with regards to circumventing them. That puts them in a bad position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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