PersianPride Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Hello everyone I know some forums strictly forbid noobs from posting a topic as their first attempt but I hope no one will hold that against me. From what I have read there seems to be a lot of very experienced people here in regards to hookah.I justed wanted to know. recently I bought a 250g pack of Al fakher double apple and to my shock I realised that it was made in march 2005. So I essentially only have 7 more months before it is expired. Unfortunately I had already opened the pack before realising so I can't return it. Is there a major difference in quality between tobacco that is one and a half years old and say one that is only 6 months old. Because where I live al Fakher is both expensive and rare and my buy was suppose to be a major event. Where I finally taste some premium tobacco thus I don't want my opinion of the brand to be tarnished by a dodgey salesman.Any help appreciated and great forum btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding_Heart1 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Tell you the truth, yes it can be smoked. I smoke stuff thats probably older then that. For instance, Ill find something I like then, later find something else i like. The first one will get put in the back not to be smoke until i get my lazy ass up to clean out the cabnet... that could be a year or 3...Stll smoked fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersianPride Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 Thanks brother good to know. I'm also assuming since Al fakher is a premium tobacco that is absolutely overloaded with molasses it can weather the test of time a little better then most brands. Yes/No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding_Heart1 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well there all virtually the same if the have a good seal on the bag. Ive gotten some al fakher that the bag wasnt sealed well at all and all the juice leaked out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdavid Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 So, is the date on the package the packaging date or is it the use by/sell by date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityboyyy Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 its the use/sell by date ... but then again who on earth takes 7 months to smoke 250gm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersianPride Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 Well there is the date and next to it is 'Expiry for 2 yaers from date of prd.'I'm assuming the stated date is the date of production? Also I'm a weekly smoker. i suppose I could smoke it all in 7 months but I don't want to smoke just apple for 7 months. Also the words years was actually spelt incorrectly on the package believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lantern Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 well, i bought a good amount of shisha from a local shisha lounge and the shisha tasted like shxt a couple months later. It lost its flavor and tasted like the plastic container... so I guess theoretically it can go bad. But try it anyways, most people on this forum say shisha doesn't really good bad.Btw, where did you buy it at? Seems kinda shady to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersianPride Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 [quote name='Blue Lantern'] Btw, where did you buy it at? Seems kinda shady to me.[/quote] A middle-eastern bakery. Its one of the problems with middle-eastern salesman, that even I am willing to admit, they have no moral or ethical problems about cheating you. As far as they are concerned if you weren't able to prevent yourself from being cheated its your own fault. Which I guess is fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lantern Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Anyways, I think you should be fine if you have questions ask the shisha expect Tangiers or Mushrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Can we please cut the stereotyping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyWithTheGun Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 That's not a stereotype, really, especially coming from someone I'm assuming is Persian. If anybody'd know, he would, and to tell the truth he's right. I've haggled my local Kuwaiti convienence store owner over the price of smokes before, and he just kinda smiled and dropped the price almost a buck after a while. Always gave me a few cents off after that, but probably just because I was in there every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 How is that not a stereotype? Are you saying you wouldn't be offended if someone made a negative generalization towards your background even if it doesn't necesarily apply to you?I just think that saying, for example, all asians don't give a hoot about the quality of their products they sell to people, when infact they've probably had a few bad experiences in their life and now feel that all asians do this. Same thing in regards to the middle-eastern salesmen.I'm honestly not butt-hurt. Hell, my mom IS asian AND owns her own chain of retail stores. But there are people out there who do happen to take offense to these type of comments. Should they have to put up with it?I just wanted to point this out. In the rules it clearly states that each member WILL respect others. As a moderator, I'm simply trying to look out for the best interests of everyone, and keep the peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyWithTheGun Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 I honestly don't mean any disrespect. I promise :)A better way of putting it would be that in my experience, merchants and store-owners of Arabic descent always seem more willing to lower the prices through haggling, price-matching, etc. I don't mean it as a negative stereotype, or even as a stereotype at all.On the flip side of that, when I buy hookah supplies, merchants of Arab descent are more willing than others to make me good deals. Once a good rapport with them is established, they're very good to loyal customers, and I have a lot of respect for that. I can usually get great deals just by buying more, and that's a good, good thing. Because "more" rocks.Anywho, Yash, I'll quit talking about it any further, I wouldn't want to wear out my welcome on these forums already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdavid Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Your Al Fakheer says use within two years? Mine just has dates stamped on them, but no recommendation of when to use them. My box of Golden Al Fakheer Grape says April 2005 and then nothing else in English around it. It does, however, have untranslatable (to me) Arabic on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersianPride Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 [quote name='ghostofdavid']Your Al Fakheer says use within two years? Mine just has dates stamped on them, but no recommendation of when to use them. My box of Golden Al Fakheer Grape says April 2005 and then nothing else in English around it. It does, however, have untranslatable (to me) Arabic on it.[/quote] Yeah the arabic says that as well. Maybe recently they have started stamping the english translation on them as well. But just so we are clear is that date stamped there the production or the use by date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersianPride Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 [quote name='Yashman19']Can we please cut the stereotyping?[/quote] Sorry don't want to divert from the more important concept of discussing shisha. But I am middle-eastern and I have lived and travelled through the middle-east. I guess it is just a different method of business. Conversely and as the other member mentioned once one develops a connection with the middle-eastern salesman it will reach the stage where they will greet you at the door with tea Either way no offence intended to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PersianPride Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 Another question. Sorry I must seem really paranoid but can someone who has tried the soex describe the texture they observed. Its the first time I got mine and the first thing that hit me was how dry and non cohesive the 'tobacco' was. Is this normal? I am just suspicious considering the age of the Fakher that I also bought from the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GQ_Playboy Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 [quote name='Yashman19']How is that not a stereotype? Are you saying you wouldn't be offended if someone made a negative generalization towards your background even if it doesn't necesarily apply to you? I just think that saying, for example, all asians don't give a hoot about the quality of their products they sell to people, when infact they've probably had a few bad experiences in their life and now feel that all asians do this. Same thing in regards to the middle-eastern salesmen. I'm honestly not butt-hurt. Hell, my mom IS asian AND owns her own chain of retail stores. But there are people out there who do happen to take offense to these type of comments. Should they have to put up with it? I just wanted to point this out. In the rules it clearly states that each member WILL respect others. As a moderator, I'm simply trying to look out for the best interests of everyone, and keep the peace [/quote] I agree with you somewhat... but something based on personal experience isn't really sterotyping... its emperical evidence... I can kind of relate, I went to a middle eastern grocers in Toronto and got a 250g of nahkla.. the guy was charging me $25 with no room for negotiation.... not even 20 minutes later my middle eastern friend goes in there buys the SAME pack of shisha from the same guy and hes charged $15 no tax. now this only leans me to suspect that he charged me that b/c im hindu.... am i saying all middle eastern grocers are like that? No. i am just saying that MY experience with this one has been terrible... a similar thing has happenned to me at Alladins in sauga.. i was a regular customer for a little while and when i went to buy a hookah from him he overcharged me! HOWEVER i have had one excellent experience with a arabic grover on victoria park.... the guy behind the counter was an older middle eastern gentleman.... very very friendly we got to talking... he asked me how i got into shisha and how he used to smoke it back in the old country etc. etc. he actually charged me for a 250g box but gave me a 500g of nahkla.... really good guy! so its not all bad my friends... Cheers PS i hope this didnt offend anyone... if it did just realize i am not by any means sterotyping... I am just telling of my experiences.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 No I fully understand guys. Just know I'm simply trying to avoid future problems from someone who might take it the wrong way, even if you honest to god never meant anything by it. It would be just simpler to leave a comment like that out, than risk possibly offending someone, thats all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lantern Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 My apologies for that ignorant statement. I'm Asian, but some of the past shopkeepers I dealt with didn't really seem to care about what they sold because sometimes they really arent making much and you learn that if you dont make much.. you have less incentive to sell quality products. If that makes any sense at all. I think the correct thing I should have said is, if the price is too good then the item could be of questionable quality. Once again my apologies to all that I have offended (Yashman19 and anyone else.)Btw, is the date printed on AF the date it was made or the sell by date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yashman19 Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 Please no worries, I wasn't offended Just pointing out that somethings can be taken the wrong way. I've done it in the past as well. I'm 100% sure nothing was meant by it, just looking out for people's best interests. I also don't want you or anyone else to feel afraid of posting in the future, so I apologize for acting like a power hungry jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Lantern Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 It's cool i looked back at my post and realized that it's way out of line.Does anyone know what kind of shisha Hidden Cafe in Anaheim carries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdavid Posted August 19, 2006 Share Posted August 19, 2006 If it is the sell by or use by date and not the MFG Date, I have a whole lot of outdated shisha from the same vendor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyWithTheGun Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 [quote name='Yashman19']I apologize for acting like a power hungry jerk.[/quote] You're acting like a mod, Yash, and not a power hungry one at that. I fully appreciate the way you went around it and didn't just turn around and ban everyone who was involved in the conversation. That's what power hungry is.Don't worry. If anything, I've just got more love for these boards for being so closely monitored.I'll stop talking off topic now Don't wanna get banned, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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