Floataround Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 So, first I hope this is not against the rules. Thinking back to when I started, and still when I get a new bowl or tobacco or coal, one of the inital questions is how many coals of X type should I use with X bowl with X tobacco. So, I was thinking, gather as much data as possible to help out and put it into a database or chart or something. Unfortuantly there is no way to collect the data other than just sorting through it, so all I am asking is for a standard format for your information, so here are a few examples of what I was looking for. We know some bowls will have variation, like Egyptian Clay bowls. So with those just try and estimate how much tobacco you are using. Bowl: Small Tangiers Phunnel Tobacco: Noir Tangiers Coals : 2 Chronic Hookah Natural Coals stongehenge style Windcover: Off and on Pack: Tight Bowl: Egyptian Clay bowl (25-30g) Tobacco: Nakhla Coals : 3 Coconara Flats Windcover: Off Pack: Loose again, please use this format with some spacing so that all the data is easy to read and there are no varying answers. I am very open to changing this format or adding things. And last..this is not meant to be a popularity contest. Yea, most of us smoke the majority of our tobacco out of our Tangiers Phunnels. But not everyone has them or are able to get them for various reasons. So if you have a way of smoking AF out of an egyptian, or starbuzz out of a vortex, add it! This is not to be a direct guide, as there are plenty good ones out. But I have yet to find a large database with this sort of information. So if you have a way of something anything out of any bowl, throw it in! I will sort through and make the most popular methods the main ones, and provide others as alternatives. Just be as specific as possible. This is for OUR hookah forum community, so hopefully everyone is able to contribute some! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Doh, I forgot something allready add foil/screen type Bowl: Small Tangiers Phunnel Tobacco: Noir Tangiers Coals : 2 Chronic Hookah Natural Coals stongehenge style Windcover: Off and on Pack: Tight Foil: 1 Sheet Reyonlds HD Foil We could add hole pattern as well..but that could be to complicated. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhineholt Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 There's been a few of these databases already. Are you going to take the information and put it on a different website or is it going to stay on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Its for our community. I did not see one stickied or anything, and I want it to be large with every option we can put together, be it bowls that are rare or no longer in production or whatever. Some of it may be common knowledge, but whats the prefence of coal type and how many on a crown OG bowl with a glass screen loaded with Al Fakher for example. I want as much data to be put into this as possible, not just what nessacarly works best or is the most popular. I see it being pretty helpfull. Edited February 28, 2012 by Floataround Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 The only problem is that none of us really agree on how much coal on a certain bowl with a certain tobacco. I like mine one way, wade likes his another, Eric does his tangiers differently...we all have personal tastes including how hot we like our smoke. This is where the trial and error part of smoking hookah comes in. Not knocking your project, just saying your data is going to be subjective to the point of meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1330455900' post='540826'] The only problem is that none of us really agree on how much coal on a certain bowl with a certain tobacco. I like mine one way, wade likes his another, Eric does his tangiers differently...we all have personal tastes including how hot we like our smoke. This is where the trial and error part of smoking hookah comes in. Not knocking your project, just saying your data is going to be subjective to the point of meaningless. [/quote] I agree with this. It's a good idea, but just can't work well because it varies so much person to person. You know how many people message me on YouTube saying they tried my method and it didn't work for them? Yet they found something else that did. I tell them to use the method they found that works and disregard mine. One perfect example is Eric pokes holes all over the bowl, but I avoid poking holes in the middle where the spire is. We all do it differently, and that is why these type of projects don't typically work out too well. Mush, I'd +1 you if I could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 That honestly was my concern, not having enough people to really find a majority. (null) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I think this project is interesting and will only work if we get enough people involved. We can figure out the standard deviation and get a good look at acceptable heat levels. Will post up my data. Do you think excel or something would be easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 how are you going to quantify subjective data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 you would need a good 100 people being constant with every type of coals/tobacco/foil and have to find whats all the same and what isn't really just would be to much work and not enough effort from the collection of lazy people on our threads me personally i'd do like 3-4 things and just be bored of it lol, but goodluck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezxen Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Like Mush and Chris said to many varables EX: 50% of the time Tangiers for me is in my egyptian bowl (i love my phunnel ,but my egyptian is closet thing i have to a mini need to conserve tobacco were in a resession dammit) Im probably one of the few people who smoke there tangiers from an egyptian bowl and some days ill use a exotica cut in half down the long way other ill cut it in half down the middle to make a squar and use 3 , Just depends on what smokes right at the time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1330474829' post='540864'] how are you going to quantify subjective data? [/quote] I was going to just go ahead and base it off of the number of answers submitted. My idea to keep things from getting overly subjective was to make sure people used the requested format, but I suppose we just do not have enough people to really draw any major conclusions. Oh well, better luck next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezxen Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 [quote name='Floataround' timestamp='1330560230' post='541000'] [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1330474829' post='540864'] how are you going to quantify subjective data? [/quote] I was going to just go ahead and base it off of the number of answers submitted. My idea to keep things from getting overly subjective was to make sure people used the requested format, but I suppose we just do not have enough people to really draw any major conclusions. Oh well, better luck next time [/quote] Well if you have website skills are atleast access to a MSQL database i could make a form for you that people could enter info in and help automize the collecting of data. From waht i see you can still get some reliable info based on Tobbaco brand most used Bowl mose used Average Coal per bowl used EX 1 Naklah 2 Egyptian bowl 3 Exoticas (1 Split into 1/2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floataround Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 That could make this easier, but my main goal is close to that but not quiet. More like If I am smoking Nakhla, my preferred bowl is X with X many (brand) coals. More variables could be brought in depending on how complicated we felt like making this, such as packing density and type of screen/foil. The point was to try and find the medium of different ways to smoke using different resources. So if someone is just starting out and all they have is an Egyptian bowl and they want to know what kind of coals and how many to use while smoking AF, they could look it up and see out of those variables what our majority would recommend. Not everyone is able to grab the preferred bowl and preferred coals for whatever reason. Makes it easier than seeing a new thread pop up all the time asking how to smoke something out of some bowl. And its not meant to be a full on guide, because that would be pretty much impossible to narrow down as everyone has their own way to pack everything and manage heat with it. But when you break it down to basics I think there are some happy mediums we could provide and mostly agree on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Don't let me discourage your project, not my intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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