My Cop Story

[rhineholt]

[quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1332813380' post='543444']
no but why not just breath me first and end the process he also made me follow a pen touch my nose and walk the line...just breathalyze me and its over
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Sometimes you can still be under the legal limit and still be too drunk to drive.

[Christopher Mason Taylor]

Honestly, I think the real question here is whether cops should be allowed to question you about anything they found during a break-in investigation. If evidence in a case isn't properly obtained, it's inadmissible. Why is investigating other stuff after a break-in something that should be considered legitimate? Edited March 27, 2012 by Christopher Mason Taylor

[Stuie]

[quote name='gramps' timestamp='1332799558' post='543422']
Sure it wasn't the meter reader who failed to close the gate?
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Meter is in front of the gate on my house. Never have to open the gate.

[ChicagoRSX]

[quote name='Christopher Mason Taylor' timestamp='1332843588' post='543466']
Honestly, I think the real question here is whether cops should be allowed to question you about anything they found during a break-in investigation. If evidence in a case isn't properly obtained, it's inadmissible. Why is investigating other stuff after a break-in something that should be considered legitimate?
[/quote]

Plain view doctrine: while in performance of their duties, the officer sees, without any outside aid, an item of an object or circumstance, possibly indicative of another crime or issue. The officers were doing a break in investigation, so they had to clear each room to make sure it was safe and clear of an intruder. Without moving anything or rummaging threw his possessions, they saw other things out in the open, why wouldn't they be able to use that?


[quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1332813041' post='543441']
thats great that he was doing his job but he smelled my breath and he didn't have to make me do all 3 tests to see if i was drunk or had even been drinking if i pas the first 2 then makes me breathalyzer damn seriously?
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I know plenty of people who are functional drinkers and can pass both of the other tests even while intoxicated. Besides as Rineholt pointed out, you got pulled over for speeding, which you were, but you obviously don't feel that way from the fact you put speeding in quotes.

And despite the Scotsman claiming I don't have have 5 nurons firing in my head, I really don't see this as being a terrible experience. They saw the hookahs, yes they made a false assumption. They respectfully allowed Stuie to explain himself and they took it for his word. Let's face it, hookahs(to the general uninformed public) have a bad image about them. I was smoking my hookah this past weekend and a couple guys walked past my window and said( shit g, look at, we need to smoke our 'dro out of that!" Then proceeded to ask if I get stoned "harder" using that as opposed to a B***. So yeah, hookahs(even though being miss used) plus a digital scale could be evidence of drug dealing, cause you know, there is no chance someone could be lying to the police or anything. Yes they brought up you have kids A LOT, but although you are responsible and intelligent with your tobacco use, and your firearms, but how many people in a given week do they deal with, that are the completely reckless in having firearms around kids? I know a guy who is "a former banger" who used his car, with his daughter in the child seat in the back(3 months old by the way) and used his car as a battering ram to hit another car driven by another banger, who had insulted him previously.
These are the people that the cops deal frequently and often, not intelligent, law abiding citizens like yourself Stuie. As long as they didn't throw you on the ground/ just be disrespectful tools to you. I would say it could have been a lot worse. But sorry you felt wronged.

[Stuie]

It was plain sight, I don't deny that They open my closet... BAM!!!! wall of tobacco.

If they went looking in someone's for an potential intruder and found a dead body... they don't ignore it.

Let me know about the break in, then ask me about my tobacco.

[agunn1231]

im waiting for something like this to happen to me,....i keep my blinds open most of the time and my hookah is right in front of my window and lately ive noticed cops parked in the lot across from my place watching my apartment...i also have a greenhouse near my window and i grow carnivorous plants lol.....but i assume all they see is big hookah, kid with dreadlocks, and greenhouse. lol

[Judy Oma]

[quote name='agunn1231' timestamp='1332874962' post='543492']
im waiting for something like this to happen to me,....i keep my blinds open most of the time and my hookah is right in front of my window and lately ive noticed cops parked in the lot across from my place watching my apartment...i also have a greenhouse near my window and i grow carnivorous plants lol.....but i assume all they see is big hookah, kid with dreadlocks, and greenhouse. lol
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Haha you sound exactly like my son - except he grows orchids!!!!
He did have a small run in at his apt at OSU, but everyone had a good laugh so it was all good, he gave one of the officers an orchid

[r1v3th3ad]

thats recockulous that they dont even bother with the handling the possible break-in with you but rather just badger you on possible drug use or sales that clearly arent going on...

I've had my run ins, and in the end things went back to normal...but its bullshit, I really think in police training/education in today's society they should add a section to inform about narghile...

my blood boiled a bit reading that, sorry you had to deal with that my friend

[TheScotsman]

[quote name='ChicagoRSX' timestamp='1332861450' post='543478']
[quote name='Christopher Mason Taylor' timestamp='1332843588' post='543466']
Honestly, I think the real question here is whether cops should be allowed to question you about anything they found during a break-in investigation. If evidence in a case isn't properly obtained, it's inadmissible. Why is investigating other stuff after a break-in something that should be considered legitimate?
[/quote]

Plain view doctrine: while in performance of their duties, the officer sees, without any outside aid, an item of an object or circumstance, possibly indicative of another crime or issue. The officers were doing a break in investigation, so they had to clear each room to make sure it was safe and clear of an intruder. Without moving anything or rummaging threw his possessions, they saw other things out in the open, why wouldn't they be able to use that?


[quote name='Pavo21' timestamp='1332813041' post='543441']
thats great that he was doing his job but he smelled my breath and he didn't have to make me do all 3 tests to see if i was drunk or had even been drinking if i pas the first 2 then makes me breathalyzer damn seriously?
[/quote]

I know plenty of people who are functional drinkers and can pass both of the other tests even while intoxicated. Besides as Rineholt pointed out, you got pulled over for speeding, which you were, but you obviously don't feel that way from the fact you put speeding in quotes.

And despite the Scotsman claiming I don't have have 5 nurons firing in my head, I really don't see this as being a terrible experience. They saw the hookahs, yes they made a false assumption. They respectfully allowed Stuie to explain himself and they took it for his word. Let's face it, hookahs(to the general uninformed public) have a bad image about them. I was smoking my hookah this past weekend and a couple guys walked past my window and said( shit g, look at, we need to smoke our 'dro out of that!" Then proceeded to ask if I get stoned "harder" using that as opposed to a B***. So yeah, hookahs(even though being miss used) plus a digital scale could be evidence of drug dealing, cause you know, there is no chance someone could be lying to the police or anything. Yes they brought up you have kids A LOT, but although you are responsible and intelligent with your tobacco use, and your firearms, but how many people in a given week do they deal with, that are the completely reckless in having firearms around kids? I know a guy who is "a former banger" who used his car, with his daughter in the child seat in the back(3 months old by the way) and used his car as a battering ram to hit another car driven by another banger, who had insulted him previously.
These are the people that the cops deal frequently and often, not intelligent, law abiding citizens like yourself Stuie. As long as they didn't throw you on the ground/ just be disrespectful tools to you. I would say it could have been a lot worse. But sorry you felt wronged.
[/quote]

Good book by Harvey Silverglate, "three felonies a day" Get a copy, if you dare.

taking things out of contextual intent, just so you can call them a personal insult is a lame tactic... Is that the best you can do?

[ChicagoRSX]

[quote name='TheScotsman' timestamp='1332902366' post='543545']

taking things out of contextual intent, just so you can call them a personal insult is a lame tactic... Is that the best you can do?
[/quote]

Sigh, calm yourself down. You quoted me and then you stated that? Those 2 things together pretty much comes off as a passive aggressive swipe, so if that wasn't what you intended, just let me know. I couldn't help but notice you didn't debate anything I said though. Trust me, if I have an issue with something you said I'll let you know. I'm just trying to continue the debate here.

[TheScotsman]

[quote name='ChicagoRSX' timestamp='1332913425' post='543557']
[quote name='TheScotsman' timestamp='1332902366' post='543545']
taking things out of contextual intent, just so you can call them a personal insult is a lame tactic... Is that the best you can do?
[/quote]

Sigh, calm yourself down. You quoted me and then you stated that? Those 2 things together pretty much comes off as a passive aggressive swipe, so if that wasn't what you intended, just let me know. I couldn't help but notice you didn't debate anything I said though. Trust me, if I have an issue with something you said I'll let you know. I'm just trying to continue the debate here.
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I have to laugh every time someone says something about how it wasn't that bad, or just tolerate it when they are abused by the constabulary. It shows a complete naivety to think the cops one job is to arrest people. To that end they will do whatever they can. There is damn little to debate with anyone that thinks otherwise, I just wish them luck, and hope for the best. I get an inside view of what goes on from my woman, sometimes living with a state's attorney is frightening, sometimes enlightening, always educational.

Any and all powers given to the agents for the state will always be pushed to the extreme end of the envelope of legality. Sure, you think it's all fine for Stuie to put up with it, or someone to get snagged just because there is a bar close by, and the coppers used what is a debatable infraction (and one that would never stick if defended against court) just to root through their junk... then don't get pissed when they stop you because you "don't look like you belong" in a neighborhood... because that is reasonable, by that same logic, or when they charge you with some stupid crap just to get a reason to impound your car, and search without a warrant. We are guaranteed a given set of rights, anyone willing to surrender even the smallest bit because it's "reasonable" doesn't deserve any of those rights, they don't value them enough to have them. Getting to be the proverbial fly on the wall scares the daylights out of me, when you hear attorneys brainstorming on just how many (often irrelevant) charges they can pile on some poor sod just to force him into taking a PB when they are unsure if a case is provable you get glad it's not you... and you get damn careful about what you do that can put you on the radar of some jackboot with a bad attitude.

If cops can't handle the fact they deal with azzhats as part of their chosen vocation, and be able to not carry that attitude into the next IC, then they need to be fired, and find a job better fitted to their demeanor. Not being able to treat person 2 as a decent person - until they prove themselves otherwise, just because person 1 treated them like a dink, shows a lack of firm grounding, and mental stability. One thing we don't need is people with badges, and guns running around when they lack the mechanisms to deal with the stress of, and responsibilities of their job.

Scales and a hookah make you a NHT vendor? Stuie is supposed to have to defend against questioning as a result of owning the? That is genuinely naive on a scale so grandiose, I don't know where to begin. That same logic would make you a burglar... I bet you have a crowbar, and a flashlight! You are an anarchist/terrorist... yo have rags, gasoline, matches, and a glass bottle - Or just gasoline and matches - then you can be questioned about your arsonist tendencies. Must be a night-prowling rapist, you have a butcher knife, and a ski mask. Definitely a hacker, you have a computer, and an internet connection. Potential K-porn viewer, being male, having a door you can lock from inside, and the tools to download/view such. Own a dog, and a foot to kick it with? The jackboots need to come question you about your potential animal abuse.

Just having unrelated "something and something" that may be used for nefarious purposes when combined do not give anyone a reason to accuse you of something, or even question you about the use of those products. You know there is something in the IC about seeing those items, and questioning key-holder about the use of those items.