Some Cops Are A-Holes.

[3rooker]

So I almost went into Criminal Justice to become a cop, in hopes of becoming a US Marshal. After seeing this video and realizing the growing unpopularity for law enforcement officers, I'm glad I made the decision not to

Warning: Video is graphic!

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxlL0I5AWLI[/media]

Go to the channel and you can see more, in part 3 they taze a man in a wheelchair

[DrSmokes]

I have no clue what to say...this is just wrong. They should not be allowed to beat people like that and even break their bones like that...that one dudes leg looked totally effed up. And they get away with this crap... If I were out in public and just punched a dude in the stomach, I would be charged with assault and battery. What these guys are doing is far worse than that and they aren't even getting a slap on the wrist.

[Epoch]

Make sure you record and report police violence ANY time you see it. It's time for all of us to stop letting it slide...

[gramps]

I agree. No one in this country should be above the law. That includes law enforcement officers AND law makers. It does seem to be getting worse, or maybe it's just that more people have ready access to video cameras. Whichever it is we need to put a stop to it.

I particularly don't like the way the police are becoming more like the military. Do they really need to dress like storm troopers and carry weapons like the military? I think not. Another thing I don't like it their increasing use of drones to "spy" on the public.

Disclaimer: My late wife was a Birmingham police officer. I'm close friends with a several law enforcement officers. All of them share my fears about this topic. It's a never-ending subject of conversations.

[Rani]

Law enforcement as an honorable profession is pretty much dead. Because our society has changed so much since the police department as we know it was created. There is something not quite right about someone who would willingly spend their career dealing with the worst society has to offer, be unable to make and keep friends outside their own profession, have multiple marriages as the norm, and then have ever changing law designed to give them more and more power while stripping the people of their rights. It's become a profession of egotistical weapon carrying musclemen. Once upon a time it was an honorable profession. Now? The stories I could tell you..... A short one....

I worked in Indio in the Riverside County building which includes the county jail and evidence storage. Every month, the deputies would canvass the building and ask typical questions:

1) Have you seen 104 kilos of cocaine?
2) Have you seen $1.2 million dollars in 20's?
3) Have you seen a blue steel .38 revolver?
4) Have you seen...........

Yeah, all that stuff missing from evidence. And that was at a time when I used to date a cop. When the local Police Chief retireed we held a party out at a man made lake. Not a single police officer, not a single one showed up with his own wife. And the drugs were everywhere. That statement about cops having the best drugs? True. I can vouch for it.

Or how about when the husband of a City Water Department employee followed his wife out into the desert, took pictures of her cavorting naked with the Chief of Police, blew up the pictures, and picketed City Hall wit a picket sign with the pictures on one side and the other side reading "My wife has to sleep with Chief Jimenez to keep her job!" Yep, really happened. I was there watching him picket.

Not a profession to be proud of. Not anymore. All the "young'uns" coming up in it are worst of the worst. That whole Secret Service Columbia thing on the media? Not a bit surprised.

'Rani

[gramps]

Did you ever meet my friend Sergeant Ralph Johnson of the Riverside County Sheriffs Department?

[3rooker]

[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1335310789' post='545835']
Or how about when the husband of a City Water Department employee followed his wife out into the desert, took pictures of her cavorting naked with the Chief of Police, blew up the pictures, and picketed City Hall wit a picket sign with the pictures on one side and the other side reading "My wife has to sleep with Chief Jimenez to keep her job!" Yep, really happened. I was there watching him picket.

'Rani
[/quote]

Sad..pathetic really...BUT GOOD FOR HIM! haha that's badass to put the police chief on blast like that...kinda made his wife look like a whore in the process though

[Chreees]

Wow, to all the last recent posts on this thread...

Yeah, cops HAVE to be recorded nowadays to keep their asses in line... Unfortunately it doesn't really work...

[ChicagoRSX]

Yeah, cause that 7:49 video accurately represents the activities of all who wear the badge. Guess just like that picture of the girl smoking NHT out of her hookah accurately represents all hookah smokers right? I agree no one is above the law. But ever think those video's make have had some aspect added or edited?
The first scene, the guy appears to have something in the form of an ax and is refusing to release it/put it down. This equals deadly force authorization. The second scene you have passive resistors. I'm going from the stand point they were told to get on their stomachs to be handcuffed, and they declined evidently. You have to manually secure them and get them into the handcuffed position.

I stopped at the segment with the 2 cell phones show up, but I noticed alot of jumping camera work that I'm guessing doesn't accurately show the entire scene.

That said, anyone who abuses their authority and position, should have their badge taken away, such as the larger black officer whooping that guys ass with the nightstick. That is above and beyond reprehensible. And those of us that honorably wear the badge hate those guys more then the public do.

[ryno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPc8FYA6D8

Favorite part is about the cops who actually do care and then theres the ones who wear their badge as a crown...

[3rooker]

[quote name='ChicagoRSX' timestamp='1335373812' post='545925']
Yeah, cause that 7:49 video accurately represents the activities of all who wear the badge. Guess just like that picture of the girl smoking NHT out of her hookah accurately represents all hookah smokers right? I agree no one is above the law. But ever think those video's make have had some aspect added or edited?
The first scene, the guy appears to have something in the form of an ax and is refusing to release it/put it down. This equals deadly force authorization. The second scene you have passive resistors. I'm going from the stand point they were told to get on their stomachs to be handcuffed, and they declined evidently. You have to manually secure them and get them into the handcuffed position.

I stopped at the segment with the 2 cell phones show up, but I noticed alot of jumping camera work that I'm guessing doesn't accurately show the entire scene.

That said, anyone who abuses their authority and position, should have their badge taken away, such as the larger black officer whooping that guys ass with the nightstick. That is above and beyond reprehensible. And those of us that honorably wear the badge hate those guys more then the public do.
[/quote]

Are you a liberal? It's raw video, how are you going to edit or add anything? I didn't say all cops were assholes, I know a couple that are pretty cool, who have been with me during some rather illegal activities lol. But most of them abuse of the "power" they have. They completely forget about the rights citizens have. You're probably against concealed carry too, aren't you?

[Rani]

[quote name='txhookahman' timestamp='1335318540' post='545855']
[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1335310789' post='545835']
Or how about when the husband of a City Water Department employee followed his wife out into the desert, took pictures of her cavorting naked with the Chief of Police, blew up the pictures, and picketed City Hall wit a picket sign with the pictures on one side and the other side reading "My wife has to sleep with Chief Jimenez to keep her job!" Yep, really happened. I was there watching him picket.

'Rani
[/quote]

Sad..pathetic really...BUT GOOD FOR HIM! haha that's badass to put the police chief on blast like that...kinda made his wife look like a whore in the process though
[/quote]

I would say that if cavorting naked in the middle of the desert with the Chief of Police doesn't justifiably earn you "whore" status, not much does.

'Rani

[ChicagoRSX]

[quote name='txhookahman' timestamp='1335380479' post='545932']
[quote name='ChicagoRSX' timestamp='1335373812' post='545925']
Yeah, cause that 7:49 video accurately represents the activities of all who wear the badge. Guess just like that picture of the girl smoking NHT out of her hookah accurately represents all hookah smokers right? I agree no one is above the law. But ever think those video's make have had some aspect added or edited?
The first scene, the guy appears to have something in the form of an ax and is refusing to release it/put it down. This equals deadly force authorization. The second scene you have passive resistors. I'm going from the stand point they were told to get on their stomachs to be handcuffed, and they declined evidently. You have to manually secure them and get them into the handcuffed position.

I stopped at the segment with the 2 cell phones show up, but I noticed alot of jumping camera work that I'm guessing doesn't accurately show the entire scene.

That said, anyone who abuses their authority and position, should have their badge taken away, such as the larger black officer whooping that guys ass with the nightstick. That is above and beyond reprehensible. And those of us that honorably wear the badge hate those guys more then the public do.
[/quote]

Are you a liberal? It's raw video, how are you going to edit or add anything? I didn't say all cops were assholes, I know a couple that are pretty cool, who have been with me during some rather illegal activities lol. But most of them abuse of the "power" they have. They completely forget about the rights citizens have. You're probably against concealed carry too, aren't you?
[/quote]

Actually I bounce back an forth on the topics, somethings I'm liberal, other topics I'm conservative. And no I fully support concealed carry because the only ones laws against concealed carry effect are law abiding citizens, because gang bangers, criminals etc will carry no matter what. How can it be altered? You mean you've never heard of people omitting anything? You see, say the middle of a situation, your missing the beginning and the ending. That's my point.

And as far as it's raw footage, did you shoot it? I know I didn't, so I have no proof of it's authenticity that it wasn't compromised in some way. That's it, not saying those officers weren't abusing their power. Edited April 25, 2012 by ChicagoRSX

[ChicagoRSX]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2nYBRDNWFM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2nYBRDNWFM[/url]

Watch that now.

[3rooker]

Am I supposed to feel sorry? It's just like the military. You go in knowing the risks. You deal with scum of society every day, there are risks that come along with that.

[ChicagoRSX]

I don't know, an innocent man is shot. How do you feel about that? An innocent is an innocent to me.

[Hellz]

Some people need a good ass whoopin sometimes. Just sayin...

[3rooker]

It sucks, but that's the inherent risk he took when he went into the academy to train for his profession. That's the same risk he pins on his uniform daily. Just as our military personnel risk being shot, blown up, tortured, etc., they agreed to that risk when they signed employment contracts. Now, why should I feel sorry for someone who chose that?

However, in my video, the innocent (until proven guilty), were beaten, tazed, pepper sprayed, thrown about, because of a power trip. Now, those people are truly innocent. And as for your comments about raw footage, nothing was shown for the immediate courses of action those officers took.

[mushrat]

I am going to change the topic title. Sorry man but i know plenty of cops who are decent human beings. Remember, if you don't like cops, next time you are in trouble, call a crack dealer.

[mattarios2]

I know a few cops who are cool guys. I also have been pulled over by a few cops who ARE a-holes. You win some you lose some, this is life!

[ChicagoRSX]

[quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1335531369' post='546082']
I am going to change the topic title. Sorry man but i know plenty of cops who are decent human beings. Remember, if you don't like cops, next time you are in trouble, call a crack dealer.
[/quote]

This was my point entirely Mush, and I'm glad you could see that.

And 3, I find it odd that just because those people signed up to be exposed to those risks, some how how makes you feel like you should deny them your sympathy when they are injured or worse.
Military, law enforcement, your next door neighbor. To me, an innocent person is an innocent person. To make a blanket statement like you have is no better then someone saying all hookah smokers smoke NHT out of their hookahs, all teachers and firemen are pedophiles etc. There are bad ones in every group, every profession. But they don't constitute the majority. Edited April 27, 2012 by ChicagoRSX

[3rooker]

[quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1335531369' post='546082']
I am going to change the topic title. Sorry man but i know plenty of cops who are decent human beings. Remember, if you don't like cops, next time you are in trouble, call a crack dealer.
[/quote]

I know a couple good cops too, but they don't get credit for that with the stigma that is placed on cops in today's society. It seems like more and more people are doing it for the wrong reasons. If you want to carry a gun around get a permit, you want power, be a manager at Micky D's. I was pulled over the other night by a Texas DPS officer after a breakup with my gf. Texas DPS officers are supposed to be huge assholes. He asked me about my night, I told him, gave me some advice and a written warning for not signaling when exiting the freeway or the lane change before that (it was 1:30 AM no one was around lol) He wasn't a douche, but I had that mindset because that's what everyone said. I don't hate the police, I have no reason to. But the bad ones send an image 100x louder than the good ones. But I do think the police are kinda useless. When every second counts, the police are just minutes away.

[Rani]

[quote name='3rooker' timestamp='1335549421' post='546096']
[quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1335531369' post='546082']
I am going to change the topic title. Sorry man but i know plenty of cops who are decent human beings. Remember, if you don't like cops, next time you are in trouble, call a crack dealer.
[/quote]

I know a couple good cops too, but they don't get credit for that with the stigma that is placed on cops in today's society. It seems like more and more people are doing it for the wrong reasons. If you want to carry a gun around get a permit, you want power, be a manager at Micky D's. I was pulled over the other night by a Texas DPS officer after a breakup with my gf. Texas DPS officers are supposed to be huge assholes. He asked me about my night, I told him, gave me some advice and a written warning for not signaling when exiting the freeway or the lane change before that (it was 1:30 AM no one was around lol) He wasn't a douche, but I had that mindset because that's what everyone said. I don't hate the police, I have no reason to. But the bad ones send an image 100x louder than the good ones. But I do think the police are kinda useless. When every second counts, the police are just minutes away.
[/quote]

Here's my biggest problem with the "good" cops..... Do they turn in the bad ones? No. Do they cooperate with Internal Affairs when they come knocking? No. Will they stop another officer or their partner from going to far when making an arrest? No. Do they socialize outside the police department? Almost never. The brotherhood rules and does so in such a way that good cops are an accessory to the actions of the bad. (Isn't that a felony? Was the last time I checked.) Do you know how many times women are abused by their police officer spouses and can't even file a report and protect themselves because they stand together? You cannot actively place your trust in a police officer at this point in time because the barrel of apples is being continually and actively poisoned by a few. The good ones will no more go against a fellow officer even when he's clearly out of bounds than they would jump out of a perfectly good airplane without a chute for the hell of it. So until they really and truly start rooting out their own bad blood, I'm sorry, you can't depend on them to truly protect you - at least not from each other.

'Rani

[3rooker]

[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1335550310' post='546099']
Here's my biggest problem with the "good" cops..... Do they turn in the bad ones? No. Will they stop another officer or their partner from going to far when making an arrest? No. Do they socialize outside the police department? Almost never.
[/quote]

This is so true. The cops I know are some of the most antisocial people out there. They don't have many friends and they can't really handle social situations. And they'll never turn on another officer...ever. Wanna get away with murder? Become a cop.

[TheScotsman]

How can you have a "good" cop? they would have to work in a completely "good" dept with no "bad" cops.

By the very nature of the beast, once one of the "good" cops knows of, sees, hears of, or has any suspicion of any other officer not operating in 100% compliance with the word of, and spirit of the law, they are no long good - they are an accomplice, or at best an accessory ex post facto. Tha simple fact would make them no longer "good" cops. Maybe they are less offending cops, but "good" is a feckin' stretch of reality.

The days of Barny Fife are gone.