El Nefes Hookahs

[3rooker]

Has anyone had any experience with these? I saw a pretty nice stem/tray from HJ that I'm interested in. Just wondering if anyone has any experience with them as there doesn't seem to be much information out there.

[Judy Oma]

From what I understand, John worked with a manufacturer to design a modernized Turkish pipe by adding a purge port and a male, rather than the traditional female, bowl port. The design, other than the "improvements" is quite similar to the Elmas 628 style turkish pipe. There was discussion of increasing the downstem diameter, possibly the hose port as well, to reduce the restriction of the draw - but I'm not sure if this idea was implemented or not.

This pipe design seems popular, I know a number of people who purchased and enjoy it. Hopefully they will chime in with their thoughts, or correction to anything I've said that is in error!

I'm certain that it is a well-made pipe though.

[Twitchy]

im pretty sure el nefes copied elmas, but it is cool they have purge valves and a male port

[skeetsak]

[quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1336021400' post='546494']
im pretty sure el nefes copied elmas, but it is cool they have purge valves and a male port
[/quote]

not so much copied as reproduced tradition disigns tht elmas uses alot.

they are A+ hookahs. slightly more restrictive than a KM yet wider than a syrian

stay tuned bc he will be getting the el nefes sultan in. its going to be remade into a tradtional chamber. stem alone will way about 5lbs
[url="http://www.vizipipavasarlas.hu/el-nefes-sultan-vizipipa-70-cm2.html"]http://www.vizipipavasarlas.hu/el-nefes-sultan-vizipipa-70-cm2.html[/url]

look up hookahburdar on you tube and watch his review of the pasha

[dizzbizz]

I like that a lot. I really like the traditional look with the modernized touches

[mattarios2]

Personally from what I can see (I own 2 elmas) and have only seen the el nefes in images, the el nefes looks more machined, the engravings are more perfect, and thicker all the way through the stem. The elmas gives more of a traditional and aged look. I am sure the el nefes probably smokes great, personally, to me, when you buy a turkish pipe it should be made the way they intended it to be made, I like the traditional no purge and regular bowl port over the modernized version.

[Webbles]

I personally love the look of my 628. The soft edges that only old molds can produce.

But i would be lying if I wasnt intrigued by the new El Nefes Sultan. Its a gorgeous pipe. Is it still going to be hollow with a screw'd in down stem?
If john can get a hold of some of those jumbo turkish bases, then I might just bite the bullet and pick one up.

But if not, Ill probably give Mahir a call and see what ordering an 622 is gonna run me.

[Rani]

Well, I just got an email from John for his customers that through Sunday ALL hookahs are 35% off..... So these gorgeous babies just went down to $109.85 with regular vase, $135.85 for bohemian.

He is evil and must be destroyed.......

Sigh..........

if you didn't get his email, shoot him one for the discount code.

'Rani

[Twitchy]

[quote name='skeetsak' timestamp='1336022124' post='546496']
[quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1336021400' post='546494']
im pretty sure el nefes copied elmas, but it is cool they have purge valves and a male port
[/quote]

not so much copied as reproduced tradition disigns tht elmas uses alot.

they are A+ hookahs. slightly more restrictive than a KM yet wider than a syrian

stay tuned bc he will be getting the el nefes sultan in. its going to be remade into a tradtional chamber. stem alone will way about 5lbs
[url="http://www.vizipipavasarlas.hu/el-nefes-sultan-vizipipa-70-cm2.html"]http://www.vizipipav...ipa-70-cm2.html[/url]

look up hookahburdar on you tube and watch his review of the pasha
[/quote]

el nefes pasha is like an exact copy of the 628, i understand if they reproduced old turkish style hookahs but when there almost identical thats pretty bad

[KasbahBazaar]

To me it's like buying a replica of a KM. The real thing, as it is meant to be produced and smoked, is there so why would you want the knock off? I'd go with Elmas if you want a Turkish brass pipe.

[dzigner]

While I see your points I'm glad to see other Turkish brass available. And I believe the revamp of the sultan is supposed to have a whole downstem skeetsak might be able to correct me if in wrong

[Rani]

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While I see your points I'm glad to see other Turkish brass available. And I believe the revamp of the sultan is supposed to have a whole downstem skeetsak might be able to correct me if in wrong
[/quote]

Not just Turkish in my opinion..... I want to see several manufacturers of good Egyptian, Turkish, Syrian, etc.... Wouldn't be much of a collection if there was only one brand of each, would there? Personally I love trying new pipes, new manufacturers, new products. Some I hate, some I'm crazy about. The stuff I hate, I pass on to people who want it knowing my thoughts on the product. Just because it doesn't work for me, doesn't mean it wouldn't suit somebody else perfectly. Remember Jewels? I have a girlfriend who LOVED it. (And she's not a noob.) Got it to smoke great, don't ask me how.... Didn't work for any of us, but worked great for her.

The El Nefes pipes are beautiful.... E'nuff said.

And yes, I caved, lol.....

'Rani

[dzigner]

I think I might too Rani

[Judy Oma]

[quote name='mattarios2' timestamp='1336053528' post='546512']
Personally from what I can see (I own 2 elmas) and have only seen the el nefes in images, the el nefes looks more machined, the engravings are more perfect, and thicker all the way through the stem. The elmas gives more of a traditional and aged look. I am sure the el nefes probably smokes great, personally, to me, when you buy a turkish pipe it should be made the way they intended it to be made, I like the traditional no purge and regular bowl port over the modernized version.
[/quote]

I agree completely - I want a traditional turkish pipe and will add an Elmas to my collection eventually, not interested in the modifications myself.

That being said, the added purge port and male bowl port will make this style of pipe more user-friendly to many hookah smokers. I'm sure it is very well made and would be a great daily use pipe for a lot of people - and at the reduced price for the stem and tray only option, its quite a bargain!

[skeetsak]

the pashas are not screw in downstems and the sultans he is getting are not going to be either. actualy if i know as much as i think i know the sultan is going to be one solid piece minus the tray is going to screw on. the screw on tray alows for male and female bowl adapters

[mattarios2]

I definitely agree and love to see other turkish manufacturers sprouting up, Just me personally, I'd like to keep the traditional look. That doesn't mean that if HJ had other styles I wouldn't pick one up with that discount though ESPECIALLY if it came with the turish jumbo vases that's for sure!

I already have elmas versions of the nefes styles he has so I will have to pass on this one.

[Hassouni]

Turkish pipe with a female bowl is all kinds of wrong.

[3rooker]

I do like the idea of having a traditionally accurate pipe...Elmas might be an option even though it has a male bowl rather than female...though they do make an adapter for that

[mavsfan31]

The combo with the boho is killer.

[Chreees]

I owned an Elmas for a while and it was legit. Built well, excellent quality. Lack of purge wasn't an issue at all since I have my heat management down. I found the clay bowl adapter to be a bit unstable at times when I used my Tangiers phunnels, but using a male Turkish bowl was no problem. There seem to be phunnel male bowls available now as well. Only sold it because I needed money at the time and I have realized I prefer Syrians best anyway.

These El Nefes (talking about all the models here, not just the Pasha) seem meh to me compared to the Elmas ones overall. The lotus tray on the Sultan is the only thing I'm really digging (the shank is really bland compared to Elmas models, IMO), but I'm not gonna buy a hookah just for its tray. I am subscribed to Hookah-Burdar and have seen his video reviews. I think Julyano is going to need to "solidify" these things a bit for them to be as successful as possible here in the States (I'm to understand that the Pasha is, but other models are not?). Instead of having so many unscrewable parts that can wear and tear, I mean (I saw in H-B's vid an unscrewable downstem?). Closed chamber instead of common. Etc. Basically, all the El Nefes models need to copy Elmas a little bit more, just with the added female-fitting bowl port and purge valve, then I will accept it as a suitable "modernized" Turkish pipe.

Also, price... Elmas is cheaper (comparing the similar models El Nefes Pasha and Elmas 628). I think the Turkish crystal vases (man are they beautiful) could justify a higher price for the Nefes here.

We gotta remember that at one point Syrians and Egyptians didn't manufacture hookahs with purge valves, either. I believe more hookahs back then took male bowls compared to now as well (I know this is true of the Syrians). It would seem Julyano is just the first guy to do it with the Turkish hookahs. Hookah evolution, if you will.

Essentially, it comes down to this-

1. If you want to keep it more traditional, then go with Elmas. More modern, El Nefes.
2. Which styles appeal to you most, as even though the Pasha is like the 628, there are some different ones that Elmas doesn't (like the Sultan).
3. Price and items included with hookah setup... Each offers different vases, accessories, etc.

[Rani]

There seems to be a lot of "either/or" going on in our thoughts about the El Nefes, but for those of us who collect, we don't have to make a choice between the two. Sure, I picked up the El Nefes, but there's an Elmas in my future. I have an amazing Syrian, but I'll pick up a Farida, or some other brand at some point as well. And I'll probably pick up Moroccan and Lebanese pipes at some point in time. I have several KM's but also have two MZ's, and some no name Egyptians that smoke like dreams. There are people on the forum that have 20 or more pipes. I have 14 as of this moment, 15 when the El Nefes arrives. I love every single one of them. It just so happens a great sale took place on the El Nefes at this moment in time. Trust me, it won't be the sole representation of the Turkish pipes in my collection by the time I'm done.

'Rani

[dzigner]

I just ordered the pasha stem too good of a deal to pass up.

[Hookah-burgar]

[quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1336081517' post='546543']
[quote name='skeetsak' timestamp='1336022124' post='546496']
[quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1336021400' post='546494']
im pretty sure el nefes copied elmas, but it is cool they have purge valves and a male port
[/quote]

not so much copied as reproduced tradition disigns tht elmas uses alot.

they are A+ hookahs. slightly more restrictive than a KM yet wider than a syrian

stay tuned bc he will be getting the el nefes sultan in. its going to be remade into a tradtional chamber. stem alone will way about 5lbs
[url="http://www.vizipipavasarlas.hu/el-nefes-sultan-vizipipa-70-cm2.html"]http://www.vizipipav...ipa-70-cm2.html[/url]

look up hookahburdar on you tube and watch his review of the pasha
[/quote]

el nefes pasha is like an exact copy of the 628, i understand if they reproduced old turkish style hookahs but when there almost identical thats pretty bad
[/quote]

I own both the Elmas 628 and the El Nefes Pasha, and I have smoked out of pipes which where similar to an Elmas 628 in general shape but where made by other workshops. First of all let me say that the El Nefes is no identical to the 628. The overall shape is similar, but no identical, the pieces are more round, the engravings or rather designs, since both pipes are casted brass, are deeper and cleaner on the El Nefes, and the lower part has a different shape. As said both pipes ae made in the same way, with the same materials (brass and copper) and same quality. The El Nefes is almost identical to the pipes sold by Nagilemalzemesi Sultan Tukish on-line shop, with the addition of the traditionnal chamber and the purge valve. By the way, this was Julyano Ercin's idea, and not Johns, even if they did discuss about further imprivemens to the ptototpe of the Pasha. Julyano, owner of El Nefes has been making Turkish pipes with purge valves for some time (2 models sold through Blubberhaus in Germany and the UK as well as at his own shop in Budapest) before reaching a deal with HJ.
As said by Skeetsak, the overal shape of this hookahs is just typical of Tukish narguiles for cafes. I even doubt that Elmas was the first to introduce this shape. Mark that Elmas just started making pipes in the seventies...

[Hookah-burgar]

My next video will be a complete review of the El Nefes Pasha, comparing it with my Elmas 628...

[Rani]

I see we can't make pipe review threads anymore, so I'll put this here and leave it to moderators to decide where (if anywhere) to move it.

[b]El Nefes Pasha with Syrian Base[/b]
[b]Purchased from HookahJohn.com[/b]

I picked this up on a whim thanks to John being evil and offering a 35% discount on all hookahs over a weekend.

[b]Looks[/b]: Beautiful! The engravings are deep, and clean and there are no visible welds. At my request John was careful to pick out a hose that matched it perfectly. The Turkish hoses are huge. Easily as wide as my widest hoses (Narbish, etc.), but it is very, very heavy, so I set it aside for the moment and went with a Fancy Hose. I have to say it’s gorgeous though, velvet and braid with a removal tip that would lend itself to washing if I chose to. I have no idea if the entire hose is washable, but since it has the thread wrapping, it’s likely not.

[b]Functionality:[/b] This pipe is really airtight with the exception of missing the BB that goes in the purge valve. I could have replaced it easily from several I have lying around, but since I’m weird and rarely if ever actually use a purge, I simply filled the cap with tinfoil and tightened it down. Since I’m used to my Egyptians, I had some concerns about the length of the downstem being short enough that there didn’t seem to be much room left for smoke, but honestly, I get huge clouds from this pipe. Easily equal if not better than my KM’s. With the phunnel it’s still noticeably shorter than any of my KM’s, but I like the overall height. The wind cover is too short for phunnels, but because the shank above the tray is shorter than KM’s, a regular tall windcover fits perfectly on the tray. With the Fancy Hose, inhales are as effortless as breathing, with zero restriction.

My first session with it was with AF Vanilla, my all time most used flavor, and it was perfect. Then I decided a couple days later to give the phunnel a test drive with Birquq and it functioned perfectly.

[b]Overall:[/b] This may easily become my all time favorite pipe. At 26” it’s small enough to be convenient. I had moments when I wondered what I was doing buying yet another pipe, but this may well be my favorite hookah purchase of the past several years. All and all….. [b]I LOVE THIS PIPE![/b]