Shitting The Tangiers Bed

[Twitchy]

trying to get smoking tangiers outta a alien phunnel first, since every bowl im wasting so far.

last night i packed to the spire/ maybe alittle below. hd foil lots of holes.

used 2 cocojamras stoned hedged, rotating and then flat, sometimes a windcover.

there was little to no taste entire time bad clouds.

i was watching some packing videos and they pack full level with rim.. ? would that work .. cause id imagine it would touch foil and burn

[shalowlow]

It won't burn if it touches the foil. I pack it all the way to the top.

Remember how it looked when you got it in the package? Pack it like that in the bowl. There should be no air pockets.

I would use a tangiers phunnel rather than an alien for your first couple of tries, as the Tangiers phunnel is deeper.

You're simply (probably) not packing as much tobacco as is needed.

[joytron]

[quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1337708606' post='547760']
smoking outta a alien phunnel
[/quote]

Well there is your problem right there.


Firstly I would try halve coals and I think using a small would be easier.

Have you tried a foil test?
Also try "overpacking" and see how that compares

[Twitchy]

i have a alien, 7ico and small tangier phunnel.

would you guys recommend pack to outside rim level in tangiers phunnels ?

and yeah im having trouble finding the right heat.. with my 7ico the other day i packed it pretty full up to spire and used 2 full coals... and the juices must of like boiled over and down the spire........................

[CO_hookah]

Good rule of thumb: If you think you need more tobacco, put more tobacco in

[no longer welcome]

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[quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1337708606' post='547760']
smoking outta a alien phunnel
[/quote]

Well there is your problem right there.


Firstly I would try halve coals and I think using a small would be easier.

Have you tried a foil test?
Also try "overpacking" and see how that compares
[/quote]I don't see how an Alien is the problem. I smoke 2-3 bowls of Tangiers in an Alien daily.No problems here.

[Twitchy]

how many coals do you use john? packed to rim ? or what

[joytron]

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[quote name='joytron' timestamp='1337709134' post='547762']
[quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1337708606' post='547760']
smoking outta a alien phunnel
[/quote]

Well there is your problem right there.


Firstly I would try halve coals and I think using a small would be easier.

Have you tried a foil test?
Also try "overpacking" and see how that compares
[/quote]I don't see how an Alien is the problem. I smoke 2-3 bowls of Tangiers in an Alien daily.No problems here.
[/quote]
I would recommend learning to smoke tangiers with a small over a pico as well. I think when getting used to a lower heat tobacco having a bowl with a larger margin of error is beneficial.

But regardless, I think the alien I used was a poorly designed bowl and your validation of it is kind of suspect being that you designed and sell the product.

*I can not comment on any changes you have made in the product, only what I experienced first hand.

[Twitchy]

^ thats true , i may have to give the small a try

[â€On]

Generally speaking, with any type of tobacco in any type of bowl, if you lightly sprinkle it in until it evenly sits about 1-2 cm above the outside rim of the bowl and then you press it down evenly (either with your palm or a fork), it should smoke good. With an egyptian style bowl or any other traditional bowl, I keep it either level with the outside rim or slightly above. With a tangiers bowl, after pushing it down, I use my fingers to push it down so it's even with the top of the inner spire. Use HD foil, try cutting your coals in half.

[Arcane]

[quote name='aeon' timestamp='1337713434' post='547772']
Generally speaking, with any type of tobacco in any type of bowl, if you lightly sprinkle it in until it evenly sits about 1-2 cm above the outside rim of the bowl and then you press it down evenly (either with your palm or a fork), it should smoke good. With an egyptian style bowl or any other traditional bowl, I keep it either level with the outside rim or slightly above. With a tangiers bowl, after pushing it down, I use my fingers to push it down so it's even with the top of the inner spire. Use HD foil, try cutting your coals in half.
[/quote]This is the method you use with Tangiers? hmmmm...I didn't think that'd work.

[â€On]

Yep. I've found that in a tangiers small phunnel (what i always use when smoking tangiers), piling it up like that is an easier way to get the same amount in the bowl each time, and once it packs down, it's the right density. Oh, and MachoCamacho is the one who I originally saw use this method with tangiers. Edited May 22, 2012 by aeon

[mavsfan31]

Woah, thats weird. I've never heard of that packing method working for anyone.

A small will be the most forgiving, debate on the alien phunnel aside. You will use more tobacco, but it will be easier to learn on until you get Tangiers down. Edited May 22, 2012 by mavsfan31

[Webbles]

Actually, I now smoke 75% of my Tangiers out of the Alien bowl. Its a great bowl for smokes up to 2+ hours. Hell ive had some strong flavors last even further (after necro-ing the bowl)

IMO learning tangiers is 3 parts. Acclimation, Packing, Heat.

Acclimation - THIS is the biggest BIGGEST issue people really have with tangiers. Its not packing, its not heat. Ive sprinkled Tangiers in a egypian and Ive even overheated some bowls (boy now that was a buzz) but still had flavor & smoke.

Make sure your shisha is acclimated. As in it smells delicous and strong. Stir it & smell it AFTER its been open for 30 min or more. Not directly after you open the container. Smells good and strong? pack away.

[â€On]

[quote name='mavsfan31' timestamp='1337717553' post='547781']
Woah, thats weird. I've never heard of that packing method working for anyone.

A small will be the most forgiving, debate on the alien phunnel aside. You will use more tobacco, but it will be easier to learn on until you get Tangiers down.
[/quote]

Really? That's strange. What method do you use? I personally just like that method as I am a tactile person, I like to know how the tobacco feels so it's easier to know if it will smoke well. I find using an oyster fork to be too impersonal for my tastes

[Arcane]

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[quote name='mavsfan31' timestamp='1337717553' post='547781']
Woah, thats weird. I've never heard of that packing method working for anyone.

A small will be the most forgiving, debate on the alien phunnel aside. You will use more tobacco, but it will be easier to learn on until you get Tangiers down.
[/quote]

Really? That's strange. What method do you use? I personally just like that method as I am a tactile person, I like to know how the tobacco feels so it's easier to know if it will smoke well. I find using an oyster fork to be too impersonal for my tastes
[/quote]I think most people (who are familiar with Tangiers) follow the directions on the package. Packed densely as it was in the package, with about a quarter's depth from the rim of the bowl.

A light/fluffy pack usually results in harsh smoke....hmmm, unless you're using a few slivers of coal like mushrat does.

[â€On]

[quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1337720504' post='547788']
[quote name='aeon' timestamp='1337718891' post='547786']
[quote name='mavsfan31' timestamp='1337717553' post='547781']
Woah, thats weird. I've never heard of that packing method working for anyone.

A small will be the most forgiving, debate on the alien phunnel aside. You will use more tobacco, but it will be easier to learn on until you get Tangiers down.
[/quote]

Really? That's strange. What method do you use? I personally just like that method as I am a tactile person, I like to know how the tobacco feels so it's easier to know if it will smoke well. I find using an oyster fork to be too impersonal for my tastes
[/quote]I think most people (who are familiar with Tangiers) follow the directions on the package. Packed densely as it was in the package, with about a quarter's depth from the rim of the bowl.

A light/fluffy pack usually results in harsh smoke....hmmm, unless you're using a few slivers of coal like mushrat does.
[/quote]

You misunderstand what I said, then. It's sprinkled into the bowl fluffy, BUT then it's packed down using my palm or a fork, and then further packed using my fingers until it's sitting around even with the inner spire (which, if your bowl has the correct ratios, sould be about a quarters depth). I don't pack it light/fluffy, I just make sure when I put it into the bowl it's light/fluffy to ensure an even pack with no clumps in it.

[Chreees]

A Tangiers phunnel bowl, any size, will be the best bowl you can use for any line of Tangiers. As for methods, this is what works for me, and may for you as well (I hope so): http://www.hookahforum.com/topic/40379-chreeess-guide-to-tangiers-success/

[Arcane]

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[quote name='Arcane' timestamp='1337720504' post='547788']
[quote name='aeon' timestamp='1337718891' post='547786']
[quote name='mavsfan31' timestamp='1337717553' post='547781']
Woah, thats weird. I've never heard of that packing method working for anyone.

A small will be the most forgiving, debate on the alien phunnel aside. You will use more tobacco, but it will be easier to learn on until you get Tangiers down.
[/quote]

Really? That's strange. What method do you use? I personally just like that method as I am a tactile person, I like to know how the tobacco feels so it's easier to know if it will smoke well. I find using an oyster fork to be too impersonal for my tastes
[/quote]I think most people (who are familiar with Tangiers) follow the directions on the package. Packed densely as it was in the package, with about a quarter's depth from the rim of the bowl.

A light/fluffy pack usually results in harsh smoke....hmmm, unless you're using a few slivers of coal like mushrat does.
[/quote]

You misunderstand what I said, then. It's sprinkled into the bowl fluffy, BUT then it's packed down using my palm or a fork, and then further packed using my fingers until it's sitting around even with the inner spire (which, if your bowl has the correct ratios, sould be about a quarters depth). I don't pack it light/fluffy, I just make sure when I put it into the bowl it's light/fluffy to ensure an even pack with no clumps in it.
[/quote]Ahhhhh...nothing to see here then. Move along people!

[gramps]

I started with a small Tangiers phunnel bowl, and apparently got it right the first time and every time since then. Lots of great smoking sessions since then. Could have been just luck, but I credit all the great info y'all post here.

[DrSmokes]

I've been using the 7ico. I have been doing things a lil differently than most people and what is recommended. I'll pack the tobacco just under the spire (tight like the packaging of course). Using hd foil, I'll take a tooth pick and poke 1 hole in the 4 "corners" of the bowl. Then poke 2 evenly spaced between each of the 4 holes. Then poke 4 more holes in the "corners" again in the next row, with 1 hole inbetween each of those 4. Then 4 holes in the next row in the "corners" again. So I'm using much less holes. I use 2 razan coals with a windcover and it's worked well for me.

[Twitchy]

[quote name='Webbles' timestamp='1337718117' post='547783']
Actually, I now smoke 75% of my Tangiers out of the Alien bowl. Its a great bowl for smokes up to 2+ hours. Hell ive had some strong flavors last even further (after necro-ing the bowl)

IMO learning tangiers is 3 parts. Acclimation, Packing, Heat.

Acclimation - THIS is the biggest BIGGEST issue people really have with tangiers. Its not packing, its not heat. Ive sprinkled Tangiers in a egypian and Ive even overheated some bowls (boy now that was a buzz) but still had flavor & smoke.

Make sure your shisha is acclimated. As in it smells delicous and strong. Stir it & smell it AFTER its been open for 30 min or more. Not directly after you open the container. Smells good and strong? pack away.
[/quote]

im using 4 lucid flavours one birquq, and since ive never had tangiers before i cant say i know how it should smell, but they do smell good/ like i can imagine they should. so i dont think i have to acclimate them

but would it be worth it to let them sit for 30 mins before i smoke ?

[Chreees]

Lucid I let sit out anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes before packing it up. I just open the tupperware, stir it a bit, then let it sit, whilst taking my time preparing to smoke. Sometimes I pack the bowl right away, sometimes I dick around on TC for a bit first. Either way, Lucid you generally shouldn't have acclimation issues with. Birquq I have needed to acclimate a bit more than Lucid, but not much, like 30 minutes to an hour of actually NEEDED acclimation time. Noir gives me trouble only when the weather is unstable, so spring or fall. If it's hot everyday in the summer with not much change, it's gonna give me no problem. Same for winter. Now I say all this but I live down here in the south, and you're way up there in Canada, so it's gonna be different...

So yeah, I would let it sit out for a bit before smoking. Never hurts, that's for sure.

Just remember to pack tight like it comes in the package up to the inner spire but right below the outer rim, lots of holes in heavy duty foil (I recommend not poking any holes over the center hole), and careful with the heat. Start off small and add a tad bit more until you get it like you like it. Treat it like a lady and it will treat you right.

[vendetta_revived]

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[quote name='Webbles' timestamp='1337718117' post='547783']
Actually, I now smoke 75% of my Tangiers out of the Alien bowl. Its a great bowl for smokes up to 2+ hours. Hell ive had some strong flavors last even further (after necro-ing the bowl)

IMO learning tangiers is 3 parts. Acclimation, Packing, Heat.

Acclimation - THIS is the biggest BIGGEST issue people really have with tangiers. Its not packing, its not heat. Ive sprinkled Tangiers in a egypian and Ive even overheated some bowls (boy now that was a buzz) but still had flavor & smoke.

Make sure your shisha is acclimated. As in it smells delicous and strong. Stir it & smell it AFTER its been open for 30 min or more. Not directly after you open the container. Smells good and strong? pack away.
[/quote]

im using 4 lucid flavours one birquq, and since ive never had tangiers before i cant say i know how it should smell, but they do smell good/ like i can imagine they should. so i dont think i have to acclimate them

but would it be worth it to let them sit for 30 mins before i smoke ?
[/quote]

It just allows the tobacco to settle a bit I guess. I always do it too with tang.

[Webbles]

Well actually all tangiers requires acclimation. Some are quicker to acclimate than others.

What flavors did you get? Acclimated tobacco should smell good and strong.

When you first open the container, stir it well and let it sit out for 20-30 min. If it isnt acclimated then the yummy smell will die down. If it still smells awesome, then its acclimated.

If you open the container and pack right away, your not letting the shisha acclimate to your environment. Hence why you arent getting any flavor at all.

Once its been acclimated (sat out for 30+ min. and smelling delicous), pack any bowl you want.

If you pack an alien, pack it tight to the top of the spire. Now poke lots of holes. Take 2 of your coals, and cut them in half. Now start adding 1 half coal at a time, till you get a good flavor to smoke consistancy.

Remember, tangiers warms up. So if you get LOTS of smoke right away, chances are your going to start burning the bowl. Pull back some halves once it starts to get harsh.