Coyote Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 For me, I don't smoke SB because a) I don't like a majority of the flavors that I have had already, the one flavor that I like (Lebanese Bombshell) still has the weird SB aftertaste that I dislike, c) It makes my lungs feel like they have fluid in them the next day, d) I know some things that aren't related to their business practices but makes me not want to smoke SB ever again. As for their business practices; -Big companies squash out the competition, that is Capitalism. If you prefer to not support SB enterprise then withdrawing financial support for their funding, subsidiaries, and possibly company supporters. While at the same time beginning to support companies that you believe "ought" to be supported (for whatever reason). -Like all ndusties, there is ALWAYS more than meets the eye in regards to the "why's. Why are they doing this? Sometimes it is as simple as "because they are competition and we can" (oh so laissez-faire!) and at other times there is a much more involved at intricate system of logic that doesn't seem to make it to the consciousness of the public. I don't think that we should make any assumptions. If you like SB and don't mind supporting the company, then by all means smoke it. If you don't like SB but love the super-power company, smoke it. If you like SB but don't want to support the company, don't smoke it. And if you think SB tastes like shit and don't want to support the company... well then... Smoke Tangiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1342190216' post='551645'] ... If you like SB and don't mind supporting the company, then by all means smoke it. If you don't like SB but love the super-power company, smoke it. If you like SB but don't want to support the company, don't smoke it. And if you think SB tastes like shit and don't want to support the company... well then... Smoke Tangiers [b]or Nakhla[/b] [/quote] Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='mattarios2' timestamp='1342186769' post='551639'] (Can't edit above post) We are talking about a tobacco company trying to sue for generic names like guava, and double apple. In a market that has many other options there is the ability to pass on Starbuzz and go with something else. As I have already stated, many people don't have much of a choice other than Windows. I run an online website and do all online work for a living, many of the programs I use ONLY run on windows. Emulators and all that junk only work so long before they start throwing you errors. So the point is many can easily avoid Starbuzz, many can't easily avoid Windows/Microsoft. Whether they both are similar ethically or not, doesn't make it okay to support Starbuzz. So showing Microsoft articles and telling me to be more intelligent in this thread is doing what exactly? [/quote] I agree that this comparison is not fair. Starbuzz is so easy to avoid it's hilarious. We get to laugh at the bros who buy it- "Hey bro, blue mist is the shit!" There's plenty of better (and cheaper) alternatives out there. Microsoft is WAY harder to avoid. I love Mac OS personally, but at work, I have to use Microsoft, as we have four Windows PCs. These PCs run a system that is only compatible for Windows. The tech support guys would laugh if I were to call in and say I wanted to run the system on a Mac. Does that bother me? No. I get to use both Windows and Mac and be able to say I know how to use both, which is a good quality to have for a lot of jobs out there (especially in the field my degree is in). Fact is both Microsoft and Apple are huge players, and neither company seems to use such petty tactics like Starbuzz does to win out over the competition. They do the natural thing and keep evolving as companies, bringing us newer and better products to use. Starbuzz doesn't do that. They just keep pumping out new shitty flavors that are the same old thing, catering to the bros and newbies, and never seem to realize that their product would be better without the chemicals and whatever else they do to it to make it not as good as the other stuff available to us to purchase instead. And Shalowlow, knock off the disrespect towards Mattarios2. This is your one and only warning. We can have a civil discussion here without insulting someone's intelligence. [quote name='mattarios2' timestamp='1342191516' post='551649'] [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1342190216' post='551645'] ... If you like SB and don't mind supporting the company, then by all means smoke it. If you don't like SB but love the super-power company, smoke it. If you like SB but don't want to support the company, don't smoke it. And if you think SB tastes like shit and don't want to support the company... well then... Smoke Tangiers [b]or Nakhla[/b] [/quote] Fixed [/quote] Haha! Agreed. Tangiers is awesome stuff, but can't forget the Nak baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 i just love the fact that starbuzz puts more then just what u think in their tobacco, but with tangiers we know what is going in it, just not how he does it well for some of us. but i just dont like starbuzz anymore because i have tangiers and other brands on hand, i mean i used to smoke starbuzz quiet a bit. and pretty often but it was at a lounge i worked at, and would get it at cost so if i was outta tangiers i would smoke it. but i dont go out and buy it. i do remember one day erica went out to get some tobacco and all we could get was starbuzz so what ever its still smoke. but we got 7 tins of 250 i think and 3 boxes of coals for 100$ lol that poor guy made like no money off erica lol. and it wasn't old he just didn't nkow what he was doing, then like 3 weeks later he went outta business lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezxen Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I smoke Starbuzz allot lately there bold line is really a stept up in better flavors (more basics in mixing than just tossing in what ever they think might be good. EX watermelon breez is a wonderful watermelon with lite mint, but i digress) AS for prices you guys need to talk with your smoke shop owners . SB around here (hesperia) you can get as low as $15 flat. Thats 1.75 almost $2 more than i get by AF or nak but $2 cheaper than tangiers . Not defending starbuzz on there bad business morals but someone needs to show there is a different side to SB on the smoking end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 [quote name='ezxen' timestamp='1342213913' post='551687'] I smoke Starbuzz allot lately there bold line is really a stept up in better flavors (more basics in mixing than just tossing in what ever they think might be good. EX watermelon breez is a wonderful watermelon with lite mint, but i digress) AS for prices you guys need to talk with your smoke shop owners . SB around here (hesperia) you can get as low as $15 flat. Thats 1.75 almost $2 more than i get by AF or nak but $2 cheaper than tangiers . Not defending starbuzz on there bad business morals but someone needs to show there is a different side to SB on the smoking end. [/quote] but you know what 15$ isn't making that person money when they sell it to you for that much, unless it fly's off their shelves. but most places that have it for sale, it doesn't. so that is why most pople gotta pay 18-22 for a tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Like Pavo said, the wholesale cost isn't going to change so if the retailer wants to sell it to you for $15 they can, but they aren't making very much on the sale. Isn't SB like 12.50 a tin wholesale or something like that? Thought I remembered reading that in some thread. Not too sure though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insidius Posted July 14, 2012 Share Posted July 14, 2012 [quote name='shalowlow' timestamp='1342115713' post='551536'] Those kinds of actions don't stop anyone from buying Apple, Microsoft, Google Products, etc. Why is it different when it is a tobacco company? [/quote] Yes, they do actually. It's just some people have principles they stand by and some (most) don't. Some people vote with their wallets, most don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 Yeah it 12.50 for a tin of starbuzz whole sale which is stupid!! But I know that if they mark it that low its because they can move product fast or they just don't care. But if they want money turn around for the shelf time they gotta sell it for like 18-22$ If you like starbuzz I won't tell you t smoke anything else I'm not smoking ur bowl so enjoy what you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1342122159' post='551555'] so wait, is it the taste or the cost that makes people dislike it around here? Or the shady business practices? [/quote] Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I smoke what tastes good to me. SB has some flavors that taste good to me and others that don't. Same wit Tangiers, Nak, Fantasia, AF, ect ect ect. Smoke what you like. "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and some stink more than others." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santino Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Actually, from my understanding, Fantasia comes in 200g containers because the containers they use weren't available to hold 250g. /sidetrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romzz Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 [quote name='ezxen' timestamp='1342213913' post='551687'] I smoke Starbuzz allot lately there bold line is really a stept up in better flavors (more basics in mixing than just tossing in what ever they think might be good. EX watermelon breez is a wonderful watermelon with lite mint, but i digress) AS for prices you guys need to talk with your smoke shop owners . SB around here (hesperia) you can get as low as $15 flat. Thats 1.75 almost $2 more than i get by AF or nak but $2 cheaper than tangiers . Not defending starbuzz on there bad business morals but someone needs to show there is a different side to SB on the smoking end. [/quote] After smoking Tangiers and Fumari, I lost a lot of interest in going back to Starbuzz. They smoke better and taste better (in my opinion, of course) and my local shop sells 250g Tangiers for 3 dollars less than Starbuzz. Everyone has their favorites, but as someone mentioned earlier, I'd rather smoke something with less chemicals and with real people behind it. With Eric from Tangiers, you know that he loves hookah and that he puts that love and passion into making some of the best shisha on the market. Starbuzz doesn't seem to care about that aspect at all and appeals to the "bro" crowd. I think the fact that Starbuzz produces the Ed Hardy line of shisha says enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 [quote name='romzz' timestamp='1342632915' post='552000'] [quote name='ezxen' timestamp='1342213913' post='551687'] I smoke Starbuzz allot lately there bold line is really a stept up in better flavors (more basics in mixing than just tossing in what ever they think might be good. EX watermelon breez is a wonderful watermelon with lite mint, but i digress) AS for prices you guys need to talk with your smoke shop owners . SB around here (hesperia) you can get as low as $15 flat. Thats 1.75 almost $2 more than i get by AF or nak but $2 cheaper than tangiers . Not defending starbuzz on there bad business morals but someone needs to show there is a different side to SB on the smoking end. [/quote] After smoking Tangiers and Fumari, I lost a lot of interest in going back to Starbuzz. They smoke better and taste better (in my opinion, of course) and my local shop sells 250g Tangiers for 3 dollars less than Starbuzz. Everyone has their favorites, [b]but as someone mentioned earlier, I'd rather smoke something with less chemicals and with real people behind it.[/b] With Eric from Tangiers, you know that he loves hookah and that he puts that love and passion into making some of the best shisha on the market. Starbuzz doesn't seem to care about that aspect at all and appeals to the "bro" crowd. I think the fact that Starbuzz produces the Ed Hardy line of shisha says enough. [/quote] me, and its true he does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 [quote name='insidius' timestamp='1342297746' post='551742'] [quote name='shalowlow' timestamp='1342115713' post='551536'] Those kinds of actions don't stop anyone from buying Apple, Microsoft, Google Products, etc. Why is it different when it is a tobacco company? [/quote] Yes, they do actually. It's just some people have principles they stand by and some (most) don't. Some people vote with their wallets, most don't. [/quote] Principles and priorities. Sometimes the priority will override the principle and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no longer welcome Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 It's not just SB that does this. I was actually sent a cease and desist letter from another brand to stop carrying a flavor of another brand. I won't get into the details as it's an ongoing thing. I think it's over, I think I'm out, and could give details at a later time, however, other companies do it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceg Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Oh lawd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Hookah politics! Smh. Refer to quote in my sig... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I TOLD YOU SO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1342723455' post='552121'] I TOLD YOU SO [/quote] NO ONE DOUBTED YOU. WHY ARE WE YELLING?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1342724415' post='552125'] [quote name='Coyote' timestamp='1342723455' post='552121'] I TOLD YOU SO [/quote] NO ONE DOUBTED YOU. WHY ARE WE YELLING?! [/quote] LOUD NOISES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavo21 Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 lololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ststudz Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 For me in Alaska Starbuzz is almost 30$ for 50g... which is stupid... We also here in the shops only offer hydra, sb, jewels, and pharoh. None of which i will ever smoke again.. For the fact of I've been spoiled on better cut shisha.. there are a few lower end brands I will smoke like fantasia because of the molasses content and it smokes nice in a phunnel. But for me up here, I'd rather order tobacco online and face the tobacco tax then buy 30$ 50g starbuzz. The perfume doesn't even bother me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 [attachment=5906:ImageUploadedByTapatalk1342807510.998455.jpg] Sowwy *Comments in this post do not necessarily reflect those of Tangiers Tobacco* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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