longlivedoctordenim Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 So studies say that "that water-pipe smokers had health effects similar to those of deep-inhalation smokers. Coughing, wheezing, and sputum production were all higher among waterpipe smokers than normal smokers, and nearly as high as deep-inhalers." Do you guys believe this or perhaps is this a lie being spread by maybe big tobacco companies in the US? What do you guys think? Here is the full article below: [URL="http://www.web2carz.com/trends/offline/1377/hookah-bars-making-you-sicker-faster"]http://www.web2carz.com/trends/offline/1377/hookah-bars-making-you-sicker-faster[/URL] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 No Offense but any study that comes out of a Country who has a Authoritarian Government (Iran, North Korea, Cambodia... etc.) it loses all credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 That article neglects to state the fact that hookah tobacco is cooked, whereas cigarette tobacco is burned. Also that you are inhaling vapor in hookah, not smoke like in cigarettes. Obviously biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlow Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1346881052' post='555842'] That article neglects to state the fact that hookah tobacco is cooked, whereas cigarette tobacco is burned. Also that you are inhaling vapor in hookah, not smoke like in cigarettes. Obviously biased. [/quote] Was about to say the same thing myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeetsak Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1346880074' post='555841'] No Offense but any study that comes out of a Country who has a Authoritarian Government (Iran, North Korea, Cambodia... etc.) it loses all credibility. [/quote] where is it from? where does it say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 [quote name='skeetsak' timestamp='1346889534' post='555852'] [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1346880074' post='555841'] No Offense but any study that comes out of a Country who has a Authoritarian Government (Iran, North Korea, Cambodia... etc.) it loses all credibility. [/quote] where is it from? where does it say that [/quote] in the Article first paragraph to the right of the Caterpillar picture The study, which was conducted at [u][color=#ff0000][b]Masshad University of Medical Sciences in Iran[/b][/color][/u], looked at the lung functions of 57 water-pipe smokers, 30 cigarette smokers who are considered deep inhalers, and 51 normal cigarette smokers, and compared them with 44 non-smokers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezxen Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1346891583' post='555854'] [quote name='skeetsak' timestamp='1346889534' post='555852'] [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1346880074' post='555841'] No Offense but any study that comes out of a Country who has a Authoritarian Government (Iran, North Korea, Cambodia... etc.) it loses all credibility. [/quote] where is it from? where does it say that [/quote] in the Article first paragraph to the right of the Caterpillar picture The study, which was conducted at [u][color=#ff0000][b]Masshad University of Medical Sciences in Iran[/b][/color][/u], looked at the lung functions of 57 water-pipe smokers, 30 cigarette smokers who are considered deep inhalers, and 51 normal cigarette smokers, and compared them with 44 non-smokers. [/quote] yeah if anyone else dident catch the numbers . seems not like solid evidence [quote] The study, which was conducted at Masshad University of Medical Sciences in Iran, looked at the lung functions of 57 water-pipe smokers, 30 cigarette smokers who are considered deep inhalers, and 51 normal cigarette smokers, and compared them with 44 non-smokers. [/quote] [quote] The study found that water-pipe smokers had health effects similar to those of deep-inhalation smokers. Coughing, wheezing, and sputum production were all higher among waterpipe smokers than normal smokers, and nearly as high as deep-inhalers. [/quote] well ive smoked for 5 years had at lease 1 session a day since last year and nothing so far anyone else? [quote] What makes hookah smoking worse than cigarette smoking is the volume of smoke that hookah smokers inhale. People at hookah bars generally smoke for between 20 and 80 minutes,[color=#ff0000] during which they might smoke the equivalent of 100 cigarettes.[/color] So even if you only hit the hookah bars infrequently, you’re subjecting your lungs to a lot of smoke, and you’re probably taking in more smoke per puff. According to the study, waterpipe smokers take in between 0.15 to 1 liter of smoke per puff, as opposed to cigarette smokers, who inhale between 0.05 and 0.06 liters per puff. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinx23 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 i wonder why they used the odd number of people, and such a small sample. I emailed the poster or blogger w/e you want to call me him to send the results of the study. I looked through my schools database (you know stuff better then google with paid articles) couldn't find it, maybe because i don't have the year it was done. meh hopefully i get an email back. but yes hookah smoke worse then you then air. the conclusion that article came to is correct. "[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3]So it seems the only way to make tobacco safe is to not use it at all."[/size][/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agunn1231 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 smoking isnt safe. ive written papers for class about this topic...i always make sure to state that smoking any thing is not safe, but in my opinion, smoking hookah is less harmful than cigartettes. I can say tht i feel much better in the last three months since i completely quit smoking cigarettes, i have been smoking hookah daily since i was about 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epoch Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Oh, another "study"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urloc Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Why all these studies are made in Universities? Basically that means it is made by a bunch of students begging for good grades... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Funny you all should mention Lung Function....went to the dr recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezxen Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1346945001' post='555885'] Funny you all should mention Lung Function....went to the dr recently. [/quote] What happened when you went? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinx23 Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 [quote name='Urloc' timestamp='1346918577' post='555875'] Why all these studies are made in Universities? Basically that means it is made by a bunch of students begging for good grades... [/quote] you sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawhee Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Good thing I smoke hookah and occasionally cigarettes too, I never have to argue with people that its safer than cigs, I just openly say Im a smoker, and honestly, if they dont like it they can piss off. I wont smoke in a non smoking area/house of non smoking people/ in the faces of other people etc. but (and this actually happened to me) if a person (in my case a cranky old lady) comes up to me and tells me that I shouldnt smoke because its gross etc. and starts harassing me ill simply tell them to fuck off. Reason being that hardcore anti-smokers will harass you no matter what your argument is. TL;DR: If you wanna be an unharassed smoker hang out with people who dont judge you for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1346945001' post='555885'] Funny you all should mention Lung Function....went to the dr recently. [/quote] i second this without prying what did he/she say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 She said i am suffering from moderate Lung Function problems. x-rays showed no tumors or liquid in my lungs. So hello possible COPD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 ahh alright i sense a small amount of sarcasm, in the hello part...but otherwise i guess that is good? since the other options could cause death a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcane Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 [quote name='longlivedoctordenim' timestamp='1346879472' post='555840'] So studies say that "that water-pipe smokers had health effects similar to those of deep-inhalation smokers. Coughing, wheezing, and sputum production were all higher among waterpipe smokers than normal smokers, and nearly as high as deep-inhalers." Do you guys believe this or perhaps is this a lie being spread by maybe big tobacco companies in the US? What do you guys think? Here is the full article below: [url="http://www.web2carz.com/trends/offline/1377/hookah-bars-making-you-sicker-faster"]http://www.web2carz....u-sicker-faster[/url] [/quote]Could be possible....but, I still don't care and will continue to smoke anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezxen Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 [quote name='mushrat' timestamp='1346964869' post='555912'] She said i am suffering from moderate Lung Function problems. x-rays showed no tumors or liquid in my lungs. So hello possible COPD. [/quote] well i would hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushrat Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 ya, its better than some of the other things it coul dbe, but its still not thrilling at my age. Considering i never smoked cigarettes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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