Mitt Romney's Leaked Fundraiser Video

[Chreees]

[url="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/09/release-of-secret-video-creates-fresh-challenges-for-romney.html"]http://www.pbs.org/n...for-romney.html[/url]

[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/18/excerpts-from-leaked-video-of-mitt-romneys-remarks-on-israel-iran/"]http://www.washingto...on-israel-iran/[/url]

IMO, further proof he shouldn't be president...

Discuss.

[gramps]

What's not true?

[Chreees]

The problem is he will say whatever he has to, to whoever is present at the time, to try and win. He wouldn't have said those things on national television. The comments he made were to a group of people that were there to give his campaign money, so he was telling them what they wanted to hear. It further separates himself from majority of Americans, the poor and middle class citizens. The 1% richies, though, which I'm sure that's the type of people who were at this fundraiser, loved what he had to say. Romney has been often criticized as not connecting with the common people- Instead of helping to tear down that wall, he has built it even higher. So what he thought was going to be helping his campaign by telling these donors what they wanted to hear, has instead backfired on him. If it's "not his job to worry about those people" now, does anyone really think he'll believe it's his job to worry about them if he becomes president? It's the president's job to worry about EVERYONE. Not just one certain class of people. Mitt Romney has made it quite clear he's only worried about the rich, and doesn't give two shits about the poor or middle class. Also, I'd like to say, as someone who makes roughly $13,000 a year after taxes, I do not feel I am entitled to things from the government.

His comments on Israel and Palestine just further fucked him on foreign policy. Just add it on top of his international trip he made not long ago. When he visited Israel, he had told the newspaper there that he was hopeful for a peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Now he's saying something different behind closed doors. Not good.

[headhunter]

[quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1348009150' post='556685']
The problem is he will say whatever he has to, to whoever is present at the time, to try and win. He wouldn't have said those things on national television. The comments he made were to a group of people that were there to give his campaign money, so he was telling them what they wanted to hear. It further separates himself from majority of Americans, the poor and middle class citizens. [b]The 1% richies, though, which I'm sure that's the type of people who were at this fundraiser, loved what he had to say[/b]. Romney has been often criticized as not connecting with the common people- Instead of helping to tear down that wall, he has built it even higher. So what he thought was going to be helping his campaign by telling these donors what they wanted to hear, has instead backfired on him. If it's "not his job to worry about those people" now, does anyone really think he'll believe it's his job to worry about them if he becomes president? It's the president's job to worry about EVERYONE. Not just one certain class of people. Mitt Romney has made it quite clear he's only worried about the rich, and doesn't give two shits about the poor or middle class. Also, I'd like to say, as someone who makes roughly $13,000 a year after taxes, I do not feel I am entitled to things from the government.

His comments on Israel and Palestine just further fucked him on foreign policy. Just add it on top of his international trip he made not long ago. When he visited Israel, he had told the newspaper there that he was hopeful for a peaceful resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Now he's saying something different behind closed doors. Not good.
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Yes, completely true i believe that the cost of the donation to attend was something like 50,000 US or something high as hell like that. And to be honest i have never liked him as i have stated before, this video just furthers my idea that he should not be the leader of this country (as Chris has stated), even if that means Obama gets back in (even though im not voting for either of them) he would still be better than Romney. just my

[Rani]

Let us not forget that the [u]47% who don't pay taxes in any given year[/u] he thinks he doesn't need to worry about include senior citizens on Social Security, full time students, military in combat, the homeless and mentally ill, and those so poor they earn so little they have no tax liability among others. Last time I checked, America was supposed to have been built for all these people not just the wealthy. And surprise, surprise, they all get to vote. Think they're going to be voting for Romney? I think not. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

'Rani

[Hassouni]

[quote name='headhunter' timestamp='1348010204' post='556690']
And to be honest i have never liked him as i have stated before, this video just furthers my idea that he should not be the leader of this country (as Chris has stated), even if that means Obama gets back in (even though im not voting for either of them) he would still be better than Romney. just my
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If you further believe he should not be the leader of this country, abstaining from the vote or voting for somebody with zero chance doesn't help manifest your opinion.

[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1348010701' post='556691']
Let us not forget that the [u]47% who don't pay taxes in any given year[/u] he thinks he doesn't need to worry about include senior citizens on Social Security, full time students, military in combat, the homeless and mentally ill, and those so poor they earn so little they have no tax liability among others. Last time I checked, America was supposed to have been built for all these people not just the wealthy. And surprise, surprise, they all get to vote. Think they're going to be voting for Romney? I think not. Stick a fork in him, he's done.

'Rani
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Let it be said I paid a significant higher percentage in taxes than Romney, I get basically nothing from the government, and I still think he's a snake.

[gramps]

I just can't vote for somebody who firmly believes in redistribution of wealth and has seriously fucked up our foreign policy.

[Chreees]

Yep, yep, and yep (headhunter, Rani, and Hassouni).

While I don't think Obama is perfect, he is MUCH better for our country than Romney (IMO). No the economy isn't where it should be, but hell, it took us eight years to get into this mess, it's going to take longer than four years to get out of it. Progress is being made. I agree Rani, with this latest blunder, Romney's done. And thank god, too, because he'd just unravel all the progress we've made and make things worse than what Obama was handed.

What's really funny about all of this is I just watched a CNN special on Romney's life last week, and in it he said he'll always be careful with the words he says, because of how his father, George Romney, lost his presidential bid by saying that his early support for the Vietnam war had been because of brainwashing by U.S. military officials. Oops, guess you messed up too, Mitt. Like father, like son. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. We repeat our parents' mistakes. You get the idea...

Gramps: Obama doesn't believe in redistribution of wealth. He believes in a fair and level playing field so the middle class can thrive as well. Making the middle class pay more in taxes than the rich isn't very fair, now is it? Fair would be the same tax rate across the board. In the 90s we had plenty of wealth in this nation due to Clinton, and he wasn't handing out tax cuts to the rich. Bush came in and fucked it all up. As for fucking up our foreign policy, how do you believe Obama has done that? EDIT: Given the shit on a platter he was handed, I think he's done rather well. Caught Osama bin Laden finally, officially ended Iraq by sticking to Bush's timetable, promised an end date for Afghanistan, and hasn't gotten us into any more wars over there... And if I'm not mistaken, his popularity rate overseas is probably much higher than Romney's right now. Edited September 19, 2012 by Chreees
Added some additional thoughts.

[Hassouni]

[quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1348013577' post='556698']
Gramps: Obama doesn't believe in redistribution of wealth. He believes in a fair and level playing field so the middle class can thrive as well. Making the middle class pay more in taxes than the rich isn't very fair, now is it? Fair would be the same tax rate across the board. In the 90s we had plenty of wealth in this nation due to Clinton, and he wasn't handing out tax cuts to the rich. Bush came in and fucked it all up. As for fucking up our foreign policy, how do you believe Obama has done that?
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+1

PS, Keynesian economics is essentially proven.

[Rani]

[quote name='Hassouni' timestamp='1348014434' post='556699']
[quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1348013577' post='556698']
Gramps: Obama doesn't believe in redistribution of wealth. He believes in a fair and level playing field so the middle class can thrive as well. Making the middle class pay more in taxes than the rich isn't very fair, now is it? Fair would be the same tax rate across the board. In the 90s we had plenty of wealth in this nation due to Clinton, and he wasn't handing out tax cuts to the rich. Bush came in and fucked it all up. As for fucking up our foreign policy, how do you believe Obama has done that?
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+1

PS, Keynesian economics is essentially proven.
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+1

And as far as Obama's foreign policy he hasn't insulted anyone outright yet and so far nobody is throwing shoes.

'Rani

[joytron]

Romney hates poor people... how shocking.

[r1v3th3ad]

Ron Paul '12

if he's not on the ballot for third party, my family and I are doing write in

[Rani]

I want to add something about Obama's foreign policies that "supposedly" are so bad.......

Considering how the world felt about us during the Bush years, considering the crashed global economy, and considering that there have been several changes in government across the Middle East, I think Obama and Hilary have done an outstanding job on foreign policy. Had it been any other administration, we'd have been in combat in every one of those nations at the focus of the recent upheavals. Instead they played it perfectly. Support of sorts, yes, but they did not in any way put us in a position that committed us to interference. He allowed them their right to self-determination instead of further interference. Even if that self-determination included Sharia law. As free people they have the right to make their own choices, even if the choice is not one we would choose. I respect Obama more for allowing them this freedom.

Proof his policies have worked is the fact that for every protest in every country, there have been counter protests supporting the US. People outside the Embassy in Libya were interviewed and they apologized on camera stating that "This is not our Islam. We are shamed by this.". All over the Middle East people are holding signs saying the same thing and they are becoming more vocal in their rejection of extremists. When, at any time in the last 50 years have you seen anything like an apology? When have you seen a new President (Libyan) rush to arrest and investigate? And also publicly apologize? Never, absolutely never before. The policies of this administration have made an impact. They've taken steps to make the world a more peaceful place. And part of that is that he has not blindly supported Israel.

Israel is not by any means the "white hats" of the Middle East. First of all, you have to wonder about anyone who claims divine right to a land despite people currently living there. And despite what some idiots believe, Israel takes care of Israel. The Mossad is notorious for keeping information to themselves and not cooperating with other intelligence agencies. And when was the last time you saw them supporting us in any other way except verbally? Does money flow this way, from Israel to us? Have they rushed to support us in Iraq? Afghanistan? Iran? The answer to that would be no. But they certainly expect our support for everything they do. They are not our ally. Allies are partners, not one sided arrangements. And lest anyone think I despise them for it, I actually admire them. Israel takes care of Israel at the exclusion of all else. Pity our own government can't be motivated to do the same thing.

'Rani

[Hassouni]

[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1348068231' post='556766']
I want to add something about Obama's foreign policies that "supposedly" are so bad.......

Considering how the world felt about us during the Bush years, considering the crashed global economy, and considering that there have been several changes in government across the Middle East, I think Obama and Hilary have done an outstanding job on foreign policy. Had it been any other administration, we'd have been in combat in every one of those nations at the focus of the recent upheavals. Instead they played it perfectly. Support of sorts, yes, but they did not in any way put us in a position that committed us to interference. He allowed them their right to self-determination instead of further interference. Even if that self-determination included Sharia law. As free people they have the right to make their own choices, even if the choice is not one we would choose. I respect Obama more for allowing them this freedom.

Proof his policies have worked is the fact that for every protest in every country, there have been counter protests supporting the US. People outside the Embassy in Libya were interviewed and they apologized on camera stating that "This is not our Islam. We are shamed by this.". All over the Middle East people are holding signs saying the same thing and they are becoming more vocal in their rejection of extremists. When, at any time in the last 50 years have you seen anything like an apology? When have you seen a new President (Libyan) rush to arrest and investigate? And also publicly apologize? Never, absolutely never before. The policies of this administration have made an impact. They've taken steps to make the world a more peaceful place. And part of that is that he has not blindly supported Israel.

Israel is not by any means the "white hats" of the Middle East. First of all, you have to wonder about anyone who claims divine right to a land despite people currently living there. And despite what some idiots believe, Israel takes care of Israel. The Mossad is notorious for keeping information to themselves and not cooperating with other intelligence agencies. And when was the last time you saw them supporting us in any other way except verbally? Does money flow this way, from Israel to us? Have they rushed to support us in Iraq? Afghanistan? Iran? The answer to that would be no. But they certainly expect our support for everything they do. They are not our ally. Allies are partners, not one sided arrangements. And lest anyone think I despise them for it, I actually admire them. Israel takes care of Israel at the exclusion of all else. Pity our own government can't be motivated to do the same thing.

'Rani
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Very very well said

[gramps]

HE SAID he believes in redistribution, for Pete's sake! What does the man have to do to convince you? Sorry, I don't get my news from Jon Stewart. I'm not big time into pop culture, Hollywood, or crap. I'm just a hard-working American who is sick and tired of being lied to by my President. I won't go to the effort to list all of them here, but the prime example for me is, "If you like your insurance, you get to keep it." Yeah, sure, whatever.

I know I'm not going to convince any of you, and I don't really give a fuck if you vote for Obummer. The future is yours. I hope you enjoy it when the shit hits the fan. Remember, WE have the weapons.

[Rani]

I don't think he's lied gramps. And I don't think he ever said he was in favor of redistribution of wealth by taking from the wealthy and just giving it to the poor which is the way "redistribution" is usually meant. If I'm wrong, point me to the video, the passage in his book, wherever. Every single time so far when I've been told he said something, and I made the same statement "show me where" it was always words being put in his mouth by the right wing machine. But I'm game....... Show me. Don't "convince" me. Just show me where he said what you believe he said.

'Rani

[gramps]

[url="http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies"]http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies[/url]

[url="http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/"]http://www.audacityo.../fashion-shows/[/url]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge3aGJfDSg4[/media]

Our Constitution gives us a "shot". Equal opportunity, NOT equal outcome! Edited September 19, 2012 by gramps

[Rani]

First of all the websites...... No. I have two websites. I can put anything at all I want on them. Doesn't make them true. These are right wing "publications" that want the black man out of the White House. No different than the left wing "publications" that want to keep the rich Mormon out of the White House.

I heard him say redistribution. But I did NOT hear him say redistribution of wealth in a socialistic or communistic share their wealth methodology. He's talking about government pooling of resources and redistributing them. I find it rather interesting that the video was cut immediately after the words "redistribution" and it ends before he can explain further what he's talking about. Redistribution is a trigger word. Brings about all kinds of instinctive reactions. I'm going to look for the entire video and see what he said in totality. Because although I think it (quite reasonably) scares people, I sincerely doubt this little snippet was him saying "take everybody's private money away and give it all to the poor folks".

And finally, though you will likely insist I'm reusing to see the truth, it was in 1998 for God's sake. 10 years before he ran for the presidency. Making a speech at a college nearly fifteen years ago. Haven't you changed your views in the past fifteen years? Fifteen years ago, I shudder when I remember what I was doing and thinking. Show me something current in which he says redistribution of private wealth and we got something to talk about.

'Rani

[IainUM]

he is at my school today, doing something, then obama is doing something here tomorrow. i don't really know what is going on

[Chreees]

"Atleast at a certain level, so everyone's got a shot."

That's all you need, Rani... It just ties in with what I was saying in my previous post. He's not wanting to make America a communist or socialist state. He's just wanting to even the playing field. The rich in this country have TOO much power. Time to give some of that power back to the middle class! Examples of him supporting this are 1) he said on his Reddit's Ask Me Anything that he'd like to see Citizens United overturned, which says corporations are people and can give money to campaigns, 2) Reforming healthcare so American citizens are the ones being taken care of, NOT the big insurance companies who are just out to make money, and 3) wanting to add regulations/incentives for businesses to bring more jobs back home so that the American people can be employed, not Chinese people. There's more examples I could come up with, certainly, but I need some more sleep before I head into work tonight.

I'll take Obama's 1998 comment over Romney's 2012 comment anyday... Ryan loves to use Obama's quote on the campaign trail, but he makes sure to play it from the "Obama's a socialist" angle. Not the case. Really, I can't understand how anyone in the "47% class" that Romney mentions would even consider voting for him. He doesn't have their best interests in mind. The video of his fundraiser just proves what I, and many like myself, suspected all along. I understand why the rich class will vote for him, but anyone else? You're voting against what you need to survive and thrive in the future. As for the rich, they'll be fine. They won't have AS MUCH money compared to if Romney were to win, but they'll be fine. They were under Clinton, right? Right.

Iain, try to get drunk with the president. He likes beer.

[IainUM]

pass, i'm not voting this year, so i don't want to see them

[Skoozle]

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[quote name='headhunter' timestamp='1348010204' post='556690']
And to be honest i have never liked him as i have stated before, this video just furthers my idea that he should not be the leader of this country (as Chris has stated), even if that means Obama gets back in (even though im not voting for either of them) he would still be better than Romney. just my
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If you further believe he should not be the leader of this country, abstaining from the vote or [b]voting for somebody with zero chance doesn't help manifest your opinion[/b].

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Really, Man?!

You think the best way for him to represent his opinion is to vote for someone he doesn't like? It's this kind of thinking that has America trapped in this two-party system.

The voting is anonymous. If you vote for a loser, no one will make fun of you.

If no one votes for a third party because they have "zero chance" of course they won't win. But if everyone voted for who they actually thought was the best candidate, we might actually get a good president. or at the very least, improve our chances for getting a good president in 2016 or 2020.

It's not a horse race or a football game where we are betting on who will win. It's the presidential election where we are voting on who we want to win. It's a decision we have to live with for the next 4 years.

Don't encourage people to vote for the lesser of two evils because if everyone does, we will absolutely end up with another 4 years under an evil president.


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pass, i'm not voting this year, so i don't want to see them
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Take an hour or so out of your day on Nov. 6 to let your opinion be known. Overall only about 70% of elegible voters actually vote. Why? probably because they don't like the Dem. or Rep. option. If all of those voters voted for a third party that they believe in, the third party would have a great shot at winning.

You're not going to get what you want unless you ask for it.

[r1v3th3ad]

And also on the note of voting third party...if you are like me and don't like Obama or Romney but like someone else that is third party, like me with Ron Paul...they may not win but if that third party receives 5%or more of the vote it ends this two party shit system we have, they get recognition in all elections, who knows maybe open doors for more in the future. Dr.Paul gets my vote. he may not win bit that vote still has a chance to stand for something important

[ChicagoRSX]

[quote name='gramps' timestamp='1348086088' post='556779']
I'm just a hard-working American who is sick and tired of being lied to by my President.
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You show me a politician/presidential candidate that doesn't lie to the American public and I will personally place my lips on your backside, but I'm pretty sure my lips are safe.

[Hassouni]

Isn't RP in the GOP? so much for 3rd party