Pres Debate

[Rani]

By the way Scotsman, I looked at your sources........ They're all right wing "true believers" themselves. Not one is what I would consider creditable. Like say a report from the Treasury, Department of Emergy, etc. Everybody has an opinion. And putting it in writing doesn't do anything but put it in writing..

Oh wait.......... Scotsman and Gramps are both twelve year old girls trolling the internet for transvestite hookers with "Tina" connections. There. It's in writing. On the internet. Must be true. At least according to the wing nut thought processes.

'Rani

[Chreees]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB7I0vpwT7M&feature=related[/media]

Yeah, Romney is exactly what America needs...

[Chreees]

As for the "liberal media," Scotsman, why don't you try watching something other than Fox News?

You ever think that perhaps the majority of media is not liberal, but simply [i]just reporting the news[/i]? Fox News claims "Fair and Balanced," when in fact they are quite the opposite. Out of all the news networks, Fox News is the master at putting their spin on things. Let me show you:

[url="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/17/romney-won-second-debate/"]http://www.foxnews.c...-second-debate/[/url]

Seems to be a lot different than these sources that say Obama won the second debate (keep in mind these same sources will tell you that Romney won the first debate):

[url="http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/343373/3/Polls-Obama-had-edge-in-second-debate"]http://www.ksdk.com/...n-second-debate[/url]

[url="http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Obama-Won-Second-Presidential-Debate-CNN-Voter-3957640.php"]http://www.sfgate.co...ter-3957640.php[/url]

[url="http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickallen/2012/10/17/how-obama-won-the-second-debate/"]http://www.forbes.co...-second-debate/[/url]

[url="http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/16/politics/debate-mainbar/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2...nbar/index.html[/url]

[url="http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/17/obama-debate-polls-romney-cnn-hosfta/1638799/"]http://www.usatoday....hosfta/1638799/[/url]

[url="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57533850/poll-obama-edges-romney-in-second-debate/"]http://www.cbsnews.c...-second-debate/[/url]

[url="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/analysis-obama-won-the-debate-but-could-struggle-for-momentum/"]http://abcnews.go.co...e-for-momentum/[/url]

[url="http://www.enstarz.com/articles/8189/20121017/latest-presidential-polls-obama-vs-romney-polls-show-obama-winner-of-second-debate.htm"]http://www.enstarz.c...cond-debate.htm[/url]

So, essentially, we have a gazillion news sources (I could have posted many more) saying the same thing, then good ol' Fox News standing over there by themselves saying the opposite. It's pretty obvious who's doing the spinning... Heck, just read the Fox News article. With the way it's written, how could any sensible person believe that was written with being "fair and balanced" in mind?

This article further articulates my point: [url="http://www.examiner.com/article/judging-by-the-whining-at-fox-news-president-obama-won-the-debate-going-away"]http://www.examiner....bate-going-away[/url]

So yes, I'm a "true believer" that Fox News is illegitimate as a news source, and I cannot believe how so many can be okay with being fed their BS. Unfortunately it's legal in this country for a network to call itself a news source and spread lies to push a certain agenda. News used to be "fair and balanced" back when the Fairness Doctrine existed. That's when it was a journalist's duty to be truthful. You didn't have Fox News, MSNBC, etc. during this time. Sadly, it was done away with in 1987 by the FCC under Reagan's watch. I wonder sometimes what the news world would be like today if the Fairness Doctrine were still around.

[joytron]

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[url="http://election.tumblr.com/post/33674717178/paul-ryans-soup-kitchen-photo-op-according-to"]http://election.tumblr.com/post/33674717178/paul-ryans-soup-kitchen-photo-op-according-to[/url]
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[Chreees]

31 lies in 41 minutes: [url="http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/17/1030581/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-31-myths-in-41-minutes/?fb_action_ids=10151089215917479&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%2210151089215917479%22%3A359917194099207}&action_type_map={%2210151089215917479%22%3A%22og.likes%22}&action_ref_map="]http://thinkprogress...action_ref_map=[/url]

Also, you gotta wonder where Tagg gets it from: [url="http://front.moveon.org/whoa-tagg-romney-caught-on-tape-saying-he-wanted-to-take-a-swing-at-the-president/?rc=blib"]http://front.moveon....sident/?rc=blib[/url] You respect the president, not threaten him/her. Also, I guess it's okay for his dad to call the president a liar, but not the other way around? Even if Tagg was joking, it was in bad taste. I wouldn't be surprised if he were to get a visit from the Secret Service.

Wait, there's more from the dinner fundraiser! In the video below, you can hear Mitt Romney say, in regards to an Iran hostage situation, “[b]if something of that nature presents itself, I will work to take advantage of the opportunity.”[/b] This guy will do ANYTHING that is potentially to his advantage, no matter how horrible it is. Makes me think he'd be willing to even wage another war in the Middle East, ya know, especially because he's wanting to increase military spending in his efforts to lower the debt...

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LXpZpmNjkxM[/media]

Think I'm making this shit up?

[Rani]

And this morning a recording surfaces from a June conference call where Mitt Romney pretty much outright told employers to inform their employees how they should vote. Oh, he skirted the direct intimidation a bit, but still coming from your boss, it is clearly intimidation and blackmail to vote the way he tells you to. This guy is scum of the earth. Here's the Huffington Post Link where there are several videos of the discussion, and on the lower right a link to the recording itself. Scum, scum, pond sucking scum.

[url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-employees-voting_n_1975636.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=101812&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle&utm_term=Daily%20Brief"]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-employees-voting_n_1975636.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=101812&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle&utm_term=Daily%20Brief[/url]

'Rani

[Chreees]

[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1350576593' post='558694']
And this morning a recording surfaces from a June conference call where Mitt Romney pretty much outright told employers to inform their employees how they should vote. Oh, he skirted the direct intimidation a bit, but still coming from your boss, it is clearly intimidation and blackmail to vote the way he tells you to. This guy is scum of the earth. Here's the Huffington Post Link where there are several videos of the discussion, and on the lower right a link to the recording itself. Scum, scum, pond sucking scum.

[url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-employees-voting_n_1975636.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=101812&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle&utm_term=Daily%20Brief"]http://www.huffingto...erm=Daily Brief[/url]

'Rani
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Of course, it's the only way Republicans can get elected these days... Along with voter suppression efforts, which thank god are failing mostly. I think it's a good thing that minorities are becoming majorities. It's slowly chipping away at the rich white guys who are in control...

[Rani]

[quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1350578067' post='558698']
[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1350576593' post='558694']
And this morning a recording surfaces from a June conference call where Mitt Romney pretty much outright told employers to inform their employees how they should vote. Oh, he skirted the direct intimidation a bit, but still coming from your boss, it is clearly intimidation and blackmail to vote the way he tells you to. This guy is scum of the earth. Here's the Huffington Post Link where there are several videos of the discussion, and on the lower right a link to the recording itself. Scum, scum, pond sucking scum.

[url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-employees-voting_n_1975636.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=101812&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle&utm_term=Daily%20Brief"]http://www.huffingto...erm=Daily Brief[/url]

'Rani
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Of course, it's the only way Republicans can get elected these days... Along with voter suppression efforts, which thank god are failing mostly. I think it's a good thing that minorities are becoming majorities. It's slowly chipping away at the rich white guys who are in control...
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In all fairness, the Republican Party isn't all bad or part of some evil empire and I don't want to fall into the trap of thinking it is. I think both parties are currently dominated by too many middle aged white Southern-style corporate cronies that have put profits above people. Part of the reason we need multiple parties with greater influence. If the GOP had put forward a candidate that I thought would be better for us overall than Obama, I'd have willingly not just voted but campaigned for them. And I'm a Green Party advocate - about as far from Republican as it's possible to get. But Romney? Romney really could be the end of America as we know it. This fetid pond sucking scumbag would send anyone not wealthy back into serf status, and you know how well that worked out in Czarist Russia, pre-revolution France, etc.

'Rani

[Chreees]

[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1350578739' post='558702']
[quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1350578067' post='558698']
[quote name='Rani' timestamp='1350576593' post='558694']
And this morning a recording surfaces from a June conference call where Mitt Romney pretty much outright told employers to inform their employees how they should vote. Oh, he skirted the direct intimidation a bit, but still coming from your boss, it is clearly intimidation and blackmail to vote the way he tells you to. This guy is scum of the earth. Here's the Huffington Post Link where there are several videos of the discussion, and on the lower right a link to the recording itself. Scum, scum, pond sucking scum.

[url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-employees-voting_n_1975636.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=101812&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeatureTitle&utm_term=Daily%20Brief"]http://www.huffingto...erm=Daily Brief[/url]

'Rani
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Of course, it's the only way Republicans can get elected these days... Along with voter suppression efforts, which thank god are failing mostly. I think it's a good thing that minorities are becoming majorities. It's slowly chipping away at the rich white guys who are in control...
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In all fairness, the Republican Party isn't all bad or part of some evil empire and I don't want to fall into the trap of thinking it is. I think both parties are currently dominated by too many middle aged white Southern-style corporate cronies that have put profits above people. Part of the reason we need multiple parties with greater influence. If the GOP had put forward a candidate that I thought would be better for us overall than Obama, I'd have willingly not just voted but campaigned for them. And I'm a Green Party advocate - about as far from Republican as it's possible to get. But Romney? Romney really could be the end of America as we know it. This fetid pond sucking scumbag would send anyone not wealthy back into serf status, and you know how well that worked out in Czarist Russia, pre-revolution France, etc.

'Rani
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Very true, not all of them are bad. There's good guys on both sides. But it's sad how the ones who scream the loudest get the most attention, and ultimately, the most control. The parties used to be more in line together (moderates I guess you could say), whereas now they are becoming polar opposites, and it's making it increasingly difficult to get anything done. Clinton was a great example of working across the aisle to get shit done. I'm afraid that just isn't the case anymore.

[Chreees]

Rani, are you and I the only ones left on this thread?

http://youtu.be/8BBEXB1Wf9c

Maybe some people got Romnesia... haha.

[Rani]

It just gets worse and worse. Now some idiot GOP candidate (Joe Walsh) said there should be NO exception on abortion to save a mother's life because with science and technology "you can't find one instance" when the woman would actually die.

Do they pass out tinfoil hats with the Republican registration cards or what? We are is such deep kimchee if these fools take over the country. Might as well move out so we don't have to watch the inevitable downfall.

'Rani

[Chreees]

I saw that, about Joe Walsh. Another idiotic abortion quote for the books...

This is a pretty good video highlighting some of Mitt Romney's flip flops (the vid was made in January 2012, so of course more flip flops have been made no doubt, such as him now saying his healthcare plan would include key parts of ACA):

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQwrB1vu74c&feature=related[/media]

Still not making this shit up...

[TheScotsman]

Economy going downhill
inflation accelerating
The mid east on fire
US embassy in the mid east over run
gas prices way up

I lived through this once before, it was peanut-boy.

So just how many of bamater's green tax money thievery cronies have gone broke or are going broke with how many taxpayer dollars?[list=1]
[*][url="http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields=%7b%22search_term%22%3A%22evergreen+solar%22%7d"]Evergreen Solar[/url] ($25 million)*
[*][url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/15/despite-stimulus-funding-solyndra-and-4-other-companies-have-hit-rock-bottom/"]SpectraWatt[/url] ($500,000)*
[*][url="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-12/obama-team-backed-535-million-solyndra-aid-as-auditor-warned-on-finances.html"]Solyndra[/url] ($535 million)*
[*][url="http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-10-31/beacon-power-backed-by-u-s-loan-guarantees-files-bankruptcy.html"]Beacon Power[/url] ($43 million)*
[*][url="http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/236311-another-obama-backed-energy-firm-may-be-close-to-collapse"]Nevada Geothermal[/url] ($98.5 million)
[*][url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/solar-firm-that-received-12-billion-federal-loan-plagued-by-financial-problems-702546811/"]SunPower[/url] ($1.2 billion)
[*][url="http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/doe-backed-solar-company-lays-2000/484901"]First Solar[/url] ($1.46 billion)
[*][url="http://www.globalwarming.org/2012/01/14/cbs-11-more-solyndras-in-obama-green-energy-program/"]Babcock and Brown[/url] ($178 million)
[*][url="http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=A1602AF6-F11F-4B9D-ABC4-AC9234EBEC41"]EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1[/url] ($118.5 million)*
[*][url="http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/jan/25/some-200-laid-north-las-vegas-amonix-solar-plant/"]Amonix[/url] ($5.9 million)
[*][url="http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/02/clean-energy-loan-recipient-lays-off-staff-113652.html"]Fisker Automotive[/url] ($529 million)
[*][url="http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20066660"]Abound Solar[/url] ($400 million)*
[*][url="http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/04/04/taxpayers%E2%80%99-green-%E2%80%98investment%E2%80%99-battery-company-withers"]A123 Systems[/url] ($279 million)*
[*][url="http://nlpc.org/stories/2012/04/05/crickets-chirp-another-taxpayer-funded-solar-factory"]Willard and Kelsey Solar Group[/url] ($700,981)*
[*][url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-obamas-green-car-revolution-fits-and-starts/2011/11/29/gIQA0FdRdO_story.html"]Johnson Controls[/url] ($299 million)
[*][url="http://www.recovery.gov/Transparency/RecipientReportedData/Pages/Recipient.aspx?duns=001288364"]Schneider Electric[/url] ($86 million)
[*][url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303657404576359852009524680.html"]Brightsource[/url] ($1.6 billion)
[*][url="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57402463-10391695/stimulus-recipient-under-investigation-for-insider-trading/"]ECOtality[/url] ($126.2 million)
[*][url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970203710704577050412494713178.html"]Raser Technologies[/url] ($33 million)*
[*][url="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/309936/green-jobs-gone-bust-deroy-murdock"]Energy Conversion Devices[/url] ($13.3 million)*
[*][url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/15/despite-stimulus-funding-solyndra-and-4-other-companies-have-hit-rock-bottom/"]Mountain Plaza, Inc.[/url]($2 million)*
[*][url="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/15/despite-stimulus-funding-solyndra-and-4-other-companies-have-hit-rock-bottom/"]Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company[/url] ($10 million)*
[*][url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704364004576132453701004530.html"]Range Fuels[/url] ($80 million)*
[*][url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303644004577523282632904216.html"]Thompson River Power[/url] ($6.5 million)*
[*][url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303644004577523282632904216.html"]Stirling Energy Systems[/url] ($7 million)*
[*][url="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/azure-dynamics-wins-doe-award-to-develop-next-generation-traction-inverter-127521153.html"]Azure Dynamics[/url] ($5.4 million)*
[*][url="http://www.nrel.gov/solar/news/2009/677.html?print"]GreenVolts[/url] ($500,000)
[*][url="http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/13/Danish-Wind-Turbine-Company-That-Received-Over-50-Million-In-Stimulus-Lays-Off-800-Workers"]Vestas[/url] ($50 million)
[*][url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/background-presidents-event-holland-michigan-today"]LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power[/url] ($151 million)
[*][url="https://lpo.energy.gov/?p=834"]Nordic Windpower[/url] ($16 million)*
[*][url="http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/autos/1004/gallery.electric_trucks/4.html"]Navistar[/url] ($39 million)
[*]Satcon ($3 million)*
[*][url="http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/06/04/konarka-files-for-chapter-ceases-operations/afQFI6wU5DKTZbSJkUdJQJ/story.html"]Konarka Technologies Inc.[/url] ($20 million)*
[*][url="http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/17123"]Mascoma Corp.[/url] ($100 million)
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Now add A123 and their 249 million$ theft
Those bucks would have looked much nicer not being wasted on bama's cronies, speaking of chrony capitalisim.

As of last week, the # on medicare exceeded the number paying. More people in the cart, than pushing the cart. How long do you liberals think that will last. No way the "middle class" is going to miss paying a big tax increase to float the deadbeats on one end or the other of this fiasco.

It's bamater world!

[Rani]

Missing the point there Scotty. We'd be probably be voting for the other guy if the other guy wasn't lying, blackmailing flip flopping pond scum who will destroy what's left of small business and the middle class. Obama own't great but he really is the MUCH lesser evil.

'Rani

[TheScotsman]

Well, at least to this point we don't see mittens accepting foreign campaign donations... Which is, by the way, illegal, not to mention just plain wrong.

I would hardly call the NYT a conservative paper....

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_blind_eye_to_illegal_donors_8SWotytr1RvbhyDCRyyrEL

Think we will see those bastions of what you people think is fair and balanced news cover a second of it? Let me know when the presstitutes at CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, or PBS even mention it.


If you think for a second bumster is going to do anything but destroy small biz, you are just so far out there I find it impossible to take seriously. mitties could damage it, but bumster HAS destroyed a good chunk of it. I'll take the possibility of damage over the guarantee of more damage any day.

It seems the bumster also has a nice pention investment in a caymens bank, and China... Oh, and his pention IS BIGGER by a giant chunk, than mitten's. Yet another bama-lie - Just like Libyagate, Just like F&F, just like... well, pretty much any time he's defending something he's involved in. Making nixion's "I am not a crook" and Bill's "I did not have sex with that woman" look like a couple of alter boys, and avatars of pure virtue. Just how the hell do you explain the fact a "community organizer" managed to become a millionaire in a few years? You don't honestly think that money was all earned in a upstanding fashion, do you? Where is the explanation about it? At least we know where romney made his $, and how, the same can not be said on the other side.

Remember the gay marriage flip-flop? oops, you forgot that one, eh? Same for the penalty/tax/penalty/tax, whatever on the deathcare bill. I guess, now it's officialy a tax, makes him a lier on the not a penny of tax increase for the middle class. And it is just a tax, a tax for nothing, because if you get stuck with the penalty-TAX you just paid a tax for zero service, you still got medical bills! The first ever tax in US history that provides zero service gain from the gov't. He flipped on immigration, On paygo, on senior income tax, earmarks, lobists in cabinet, spending freeze, on requiring competitive bidding for earmarks, tax credits for child care, military action without congressional approval, stand on Israel, let Sudan off the hook for Darfur, stand on Mubarak, NAFTA, Keystone XL, single payer HC, nuclear power, closing gitmo, cracking down on employers for illegal imigrants, lower cost foreign drugs imported, military tribunals, US Pat act, fisa, superpacs, accepting campaign donations from lobists, welfare reform, hell, even wearing the damn US flag pin. And those are just the ones I came up with in 3 minutes.

Oh, wait, I forgot the liberal way of thinking. Only a conservative flip-flops, when it's a liberal, especialy your messiah, then it's a "developing" opinion. Someone's pissing on you and calling it rain if you believe O has a firm opinion he will stick with on any subject when the polls go the other way.

I find myself voting on just a few issues, likely every voter does, and on the issues that are important to me; POTUS is the wrong choice in every case that is important to me.


In the words of Bob Beckel, "If the poll numbers are right, it's all over." landslide Romney.

[Chreees]

[quote name='TheScotsman' timestamp='1350837970' post='558930']
Well, at least to this point we don't see mittens accepting foreign campaign donations... Which is, by the way, illegal, not to mention just plain wrong.

I would hardly call the NYT a conservative paper....

[url="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/bam_blind_eye_to_illegal_donors_8SWotytr1RvbhyDCRyyrEL"]http://www.nypost.co...r1RvbhyDCRyyrEL[/url]

[color=#ff0000]Wow, ten dollars... About as relevant as the actual voter fraud numbers, don't you think? [/color]

Think we will see those bastions of what you people think is fair and balanced news cover a second of it? Let me know when the presstitutes at CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, or PBS even mention it.

[color=#ff0000]Probably not, because, well, it's ten dollars... [/color]

If you think for a second bumster is going to do anything but destroy small biz, you are just so far out there I find it impossible to take seriously. mitties could damage it, but bumster HAS destroyed a good chunk of it. I'll take the possibility of damage over the guarantee of more damage any day.

[color=#ff0000]Source?[/color]

It seems the bumster also has a nice pention investment in a caymens bank, and China... Oh, and his pention IS BIGGER by a giant chunk, than mitten's. [color=#ff0000]Source?[/color] Yet another bama-lie - Just like Libyagate, Just like F&F, just like... well, pretty much any time he's defending something he's involved in. Making nixion's "I am not a crook" and Bill's "I did not have sex with that woman" look like a couple of alter boys, and avatars of pure virtue. Just how the hell do you explain the fact a "community organizer" managed to become a millionaire in a few years? You don't honestly think that money was all earned in a upstanding fashion, do you? Where is the explanation about it? At least we know where romney made his $, and how, the same can not be said on the other side.

Remember the gay marriage flip-flop? oops, you forgot that one, eh? Same for the penalty/tax/penalty/tax, whatever on the deathcare bill. [color=#ff0000]Lol, I'm guessing you're like my brother and believe the whole "Death Panel" BS? [/color][color=#ff0000][b][url="http://tinyurl.com/7uxqmw9"]http://tinyurl.com/7uxqmw9[/url][/b][/color][color=#ff0000] Palin needs to crawl back into the hole she came out of for starting that whole thing, seriously.[/color] I guess, now it's officialy a tax, makes him a lier on the not a penny of tax increase for the middle class. And it is just a tax, a tax for nothing, because if you get stuck with the penalty-TAX you just paid a tax for zero service, you still got medical bills! The first ever tax in US history that provides zero service gain from the gov't. He flipped on immigration, On paygo, on senior income tax, earmarks, lobists in cabinet, spending freeze, on requiring competitive bidding for earmarks, tax credits for child care, military action without congressional approval, stand on Israel, let Sudan off the hook for Darfur, stand on Mubarak, NAFTA, Keystone XL, single payer HC, nuclear power, closing gitmo, cracking down on employers for illegal imigrants, lower cost foreign drugs imported, military tribunals, US Pat act, fisa, superpacs, accepting campaign donations from lobists, welfare reform, hell, even wearing the damn US flag pin. And those are just the ones I came up with in 3 minutes. [color=#ff0000]Sources?[/color]

Oh, wait, I forgot the liberal way of thinking. Only a conservative flip-flops, when it's a liberal, especialy your messiah, then it's a "developing" opinion. Someone's pissing on you and calling it rain if you believe O has a firm opinion he will stick with on any subject when the polls go the other way. [color=#ff0000]I never said Obama was the perfect president. I have issues with him. But overall, I don't see how Romney is better for you or me. He's only better for the greedy richies looking to make their wallets fatter and add to their offshore bank accounts. Please make your point as to just why Romney is so much better for us over Obama.[/color]

I find myself voting on just a few issues, likely every voter does, and on the issues that are important to me; POTUS is the wrong choice in every case that is important to me. [color=#ff0000]Care to elaborate? [/color]


In the words of Bob Beckel, "If the poll numbers are right, it's all over." landslide Romney. [color=#ff0000]It's going to be way closer than it should be, but I'm afraid it'll be Obama winning my friend. Hell, even if Romney wins the popular vote, I think the EC will still give it to Obama because they just don't know what Romney will ACTUALLY do if elected president.[/color]
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[Rani]

Well, let's see, on the other hand, Romney essentially informed employers they should threaten their employees into voting for him by telling them they'll lose their jobs if Obama wins, and now it turns how he has a direct financial connection to one of the major companies that makes the voting machines, which by the way, have been found unusually easy to hack. So, just how openly corrupt does this guy have to be before people begin they're being taken for a major ride by supporting him? If you don't think America would have turned on this guy already were Barack Obama white, you're lying to yourself. The voters would have never, NEVER have tolerated any of this from any candidate if there wasn't an unreasoning hatred of the president. Never! Anyone voting for this piece of crap should be ashamed of themselves. God knows the founding fathers would be.

'Rani

[Venger]

I will make you a deal. You find a black/Asian atheist lesbian that has a track record of honesty and is fiscally conservative (ie,lower spending,cut redundant social services,stop paying for abortions and birth control and health care and other programs that people should take their own responsibility for) and I will vote for her and lead the charge to put her in the white house. You are all fighting over what Rich Dude be he black or white is going to piss your money away and who's friends will benefit from that spending. The money will not come from either of them nor anyone you consider rich. It will come from people making 30k-100k a year. Thats most of us. How would YOU like YOUR money spent. Remember the federal government earns no money. They take money from you or borrow it from china and spend it on everything but you. Like free airplane rides for themselves and their families. Free food and rent while they are in power. Unlimited budgets that no one is keeping track of.
I weep for my Son and his children when the bill comes due.

[Rani]

Ray, you do know they pay for their own groceries, clothing, etc. while living in the White House and also their own transportation when not on official business? They pay for their own vacations, and while they continue to live "rent free" they still pay mortgages on the family home. State dinners are paid for by the government, but not the everyday food, lunches for the kids, etc. They essentially keep spending their own money to be there, so that's a complete misconception on the part of the public. They do get free postage for life, and of course there's the secret service protection, but that's in place 24/7/365 no matter where they are so that bill doesn't fluctuate. You can keep an eye on any budget you like for any department you like. It's all available at the various departmental websites. I'm not saying there shouldn't be some changes and the government become more financially conservative, but I'm tired of hearing this president blamed for things no president has ever gotten away with including him. How can we address the real outstanding issues when people keep confusing them with what they think we're on the hook for?

'Rani

[Chreees]

Third debate...

They seemed to agree a lot on various foreign policy issues, maybe too much... kinda mindfucked me to be honest.

Overall, I don't really think either of them "won" this debate.

[TheScotsman]

Something I can agree with cherieo on!

What the hell was that? It was like some 1960 hippie love-in... with ties, and expensive suits. Wonder if the romney bus suddenly turned into a chartreuse VW microbus with pink flowers on it! I expected to see Ann Romney come up on stage in a suede vest and bell bottoms. All I got out of it is that pakistan is a mess, iran is a danger, and we all love more teachers.

Very good job from the moderator. Didn't expect that at all from a hopeless liberal.

Hell, I wish there was a viable, non-fruitcake third choice.

Tactical win for Romney. He didn't shoot himself in the balls, and the prez didn't reverse the trend. Prez attacks bordered on childish.

[Chreees]

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Something I can agree with cherieo on!

What the hell was that? It was like some 1960 hippie love-in... with ties, and expensive suits. Wonder if the romney bus suddenly turned into a chartreuse VW microbus with pink flowers on it! I expected to see Ann Romney come up on stage in a suede vest and bell bottoms. All I got out of it is that pakistan is a mess, iran is a danger, and we all love more teachers.

Very good job from the moderator. Didn't expect that at all from a hopeless liberal.

Hell, I wish there was a viable, non-fruitcake third choice.

[b]Tactical win for Romney. He didn't shoot himself in the balls[/b], and the prez didn't reverse the trend. Prez attacks bordered on childish.
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You're right- Any time Romney manages to NOT make another political gaffe is considered a win.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Rani]

We all know how I feel about Romney, so I won't even go down that road......... But.......

I keep hearing the same things about Romney that I heard about Kerry when he was going up against Bush. Kerry did exactly what Romney has been doing. He started out with one stance, and then changed during the campaign based on feedback from the people. Romney started out Pro-Life "gonna make abortion illegal". Now he says there would be no abortion legislation during his presidency. (Annnnddd there goes the anti-abortion vote by the way.....) He started out insisting we should be boots on the ground in the Middle East. Now he says otherwise. He started out insisting the middle class was fine, now he's courting it. He's flip-flopped more than any other candidate besides Kerry that I can remember in my lifetime.

Here's the thing....... In 2003, in GW's first term, in the construction industry we knew the recession was coming. We were feeling the first rumblings of an out of control Wall Street and the banking industry making deals we knew were unsustainable. I remember my boss at the time saying..."This is going to be a bad one. Worse than the 90's" when he almost closed the doors of the company. In 2003 construction knew it was coming. And shortly after that I was praying we were wrong and that Kerry would win because Bush clearly had no idea the bubble was ready to burst. GW was an inept schmuck if ever there was one. And people both hated and distrusted him. Yet because of Kerry's flip-flops, Bush won a second term. People don't trust someone who changes their minds back and forth. They don't even trust someone who changes their minds to please them. All those registered voters at home, sitting around, not answering polls, but filling out their sample ballots, are the ones saying they can't stand the flip flops. Those flip flops are going to be what's going to kill Romney's chances. And it's already showing. According to those early returns from absentee ballots, 70% are going towards Obama. 70%.

You see, the biggest problem the GOP has, is that millions of people don't answer polls, and they don't blog or state their opinions online like the rest of us do. They don't listen to Lumbaugh or Stewart. They listen to the candidates and because nobody has a clue who Romney really is or what he really stands for, because he's changed his stance more than he's chanced his socks, (or in his case his magic underwear), they're not going to vote for him. I still expect a tight race, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit if it turned into an Obama landslide. Not because he's that good, but because Romney is that bad.

'Rani

[Stuie]

I didn't watch this last one either but 2 of my navy buddies started texting me about Obama's comment. "We have boats that go underwater."

[TheScotsman]

There are no "ships that go under water" in the US inventory. Submarines are BOATS not SHIPS, big difference. One would think the CIC would have known that.

We still use bayonets, lots of bayonets.


Being a condescending ass turns people off, believe my, I am good at it (surprising, isn't it?) It looked desperate, and amateurish.
Think coulter got it right, Romney was being nice to the retard.