Kafros21 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Hi guys!! I'm new member here and the reason is the above. I am smoking hookah more than a year (1,5-2 years about), for about 3-4 times/week. I ve started with Nakhla, Afzal and other tobbacos and i ve never got any problem. Since I heard about Al Fakher that is the best and I decided to buy 2-3 flavours and try. Firstly, i bought AF Blackberry, and it was the best smoke and flavor i ve ever had. No harsh, and great clouds for about 60-70 minutes.(btw im using 3 coconaras and a phunnel bowl). However, I bought AF banana. The clouds was good, but its toooooooo damnt harsh I couldnt smoke it. I tried 5-6 times to smoke AF Banana but everytime i was disappointed, I wasted 20 coconaras. I dont feel any flavour, and its tooo harsh. I thought that the problem is for AF Banana, so I bought AF apple (i dont think its double apple) but its the same with Banana. Soo harsh I couldnt smoke it. I wasted more than 30 coconaras and many grammars (almost half kilo) AF flavor, which is expensive. I think I am doing something wrong with the bowl, is it bad it is touching the foil?? Take some pictures and tell me what I m doing wrong. [img]http://i.imgur.com/Xt2AU.jpg[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/9MNiH.jpg[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/se2s7.jpg[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/LKyF4.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crhiss Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Yes. You do not want the tobacco touching the foil. That is exactly why you are getting harsh smoke. Also, I would try putting two coals on at the beginning and move to three if you aren't getting enough heat. As far as flavor. I've heard banana is weak. Some of the best Flavors of af I have had would be Mint, Vanilla, Grenadine, and peach (it is more of a candy flavor let me warn you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Foil touching doesn't matter. I have everything touching the foil. The problem is you need more shisha. There's too much air. It's super heating and scortching the tobacco. Add a bit more shisha, take one coal off and give that at try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 agreeing with Stuie. When there is more tobacco in the bowl, there is more surface area for the head from the coals to dissipate to, yielding a lower temperature smoke, with more flavor and generally higher volume of smoke as well. Instead of burning the tobacco, it will only vaporize the flavorings giving better flavor without the harshness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Yep, what Stuie said. Also, I'm going to move this to the appropriate section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinx23 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 expect for when you have to much shisha and pack it to dense and don't get the flavor.yep. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizzbizz Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I've found that some AF flavors have a TON of juice, which will make a session harsh from the get-go. I don't really know how to get away from it, besides using a traditional Egyptian bowl. This allows the juice to flow down and not boil up, to make it harsh. Shisha touching the foil isn't a problem as previously stated. I have zero problems when my shisha touches the foil. This is a wierd rumor running around here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urloc Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 All the above + I would pluck more holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalik91 Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I usually pack little more but also when you poke the holes try to poke it all the way through the foil into the bowl, especially if you are packing in a little more shisha in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdy Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 There are plenty of tutorials on here. If you look at video reviews section and also the how to section there are a few articles and videos that show you the packing method. There is a great tutorial on utube also. Just search how to load and pack al-fakher the video is uploaded by hookahrev. Happy smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1349720917' post='558049'] Foil touching doesn't matter. I have everything touching the foil. The problem is you need more shisha. There's too much air. It's super heating and scortching the tobacco. Add a bit more shisha, take one coal off and give that at try. [/quote] Eimai meh O Stuios edo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kafros21 Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 First of all, thank all of you for your help. Sorry for the inappropriate section mod. Tommorow I tried to smoke AF apple&banana (seperate bowls,seperate time) with more shisha. The result was a much better (smokable) but again harsh. I supposed each brand of tobacco needs particular type of packing. I think I am doing something wrong with the holes. With nakhla i was making the holes with needles, do u think AF need toothpick or bigger holes? take 2 pics with the amount of the shisha i used that time: [img]http://i.imgur.com/0A4sV.jpg?1[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/IpT3i.jpg?1[/img] PS sorry for my bad english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 That seems maybe a bit too dense from the image. I sprinkle it in, so there are small gaps, but i still pack it just above the rim. about as high as yours is, just not as dense. About toothpick sized holes works well for any tobacco, I'd suggest using that instead of a needle. Larger holes allow for more airflow which helps cool the bowl from my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshinx23 Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 or a bunch of tiny holes to keep ash out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joytron Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but what were you thinking when you ordered banana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aladdinshisha Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 All the points above are very good. I've found that Clay bowls work better for Al Fakher than the Ceramic one that you are using, Mustang67n is right, your bowl looks too juicy and stuck together, try squeezing the juice out (only alittle bit) and then sprinkle the tobacco in until it fills over the edge. If you are going to continue using this bowl, then try putting the holes in two rows around the edge of the bowl and not the middle. And, Why banana from Al Fakher? they're not known for producing good banana in the first place, Banana is a great flavour in E-Cigs. If all else fails; There is only one solution left, but that's a long one; You have to create a flavoured pairing of hose and bowl, especially just for banana. Since the flavour isn't going to be strong in the first place, you need to have a new bowl and new hose and smoke only banana in it, at least 4-5 times. This will flavour your bowl and hose. This might get you the strong taste of banana you're after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_lunchb0x Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 also, a good tip for any tobacco is to split coals. Cut them in half, makes it easier to control the heat. My experience with AF has been much like yours, some sessions great some not. The juice always tends to boil up and burn. just don't give up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vendetta_revived Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 First. AF makes a blackberry? How can that be? AF is all I smoke and I've never seen it!! Secondly, the tobacco touching the foil doesn't matter at all. When I had a phunnel, I always packed AF pretty dense, and a bit over the rim, so it always touched the foil and my sessions were never harsh at all. This is how I used to pack AF in my crown micro: [img]http://imageshack.us/a/img593/6967/20120417192203.jpg[/img] [img]http://imageshack.us/a/img135/2972/20120417192128.jpg[/img] I think what your problem is that you've chosen 2 flavours that AF does not excel in when it comes to quality (Smoke+flavour+longetivity+heat sensitivity). My go to AF flavours are MINT, lemon mint, watermelon mint, double apple, peach, melon, guava, and a few others I am sure that I can't remember right now (awake after a 10 hour shift), but yeah, go for those flavours and you shouldn't have any problems...also try and poke more holes and you should be good to go. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kafros21 Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 (edited) Thanks for your advices, im now trying to sprinkle the shisha. Since the previous week, i have been smoked 3-4 times Al Fakher apple and double apple. Once with apple (not double) was really good. Actually, the first 15 minutes I smoked the best smoke I ve ever smoked. The clouds was huge, much bigger than those videos on youtube. But after 15 minutes the smoke was harsh again. So i supposed i need to find the best way to smoke AF with experience, right? How long did you guys need to make the perfect your heat management? @ [b] [url="http://www.hookahforum.com/user/24629-vendetta-revived/"]vendetta_revived[/url] [/b][size=4]yes, actually AF blackberry was the first AF I tried, and it was really cool, I prefer Blackberry than doubleapple. None have ever tried blackberry? btw can you post a picture of the[/size] foil and the holes you poked? My phunnel is not large, its medium. Could that be the reason of being harsh? Edited October 16, 2012 by Kafros21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra Mint Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 AF dont make blackberry, so what you have is a FAKE and probably the other flavors are also fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nerdy Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Af golden line, I believe has or had blackberry. I do know that af does have a berry flavor out right now. It's a raspberry blackberry flavor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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