Welsh Cream And Cocoa

[Nerdy]

I got these 2 roughly 3 weeks ago but havent had a single truly enjoyable session.

I know they need less heat, I've tried 2 fumari coals on my pico and it was ok, I've done 2 cocobuzz stonehenged. 2-3 halves of the cb's and still either flavor isn't fully there or the flavor gets to "warm"

I pack it as I usually pack in my pico. I get cane mint, mimon, and seabuck thorn to smoke well.

I just feel like I've read reviews and watched videos on ppl raving about these flavors ... And I don't get that feeling. The flavors smell good but taste isn't fully there.

Any suggestions, tips, or magic that I can use?

Also anyone use af coals? There is a shop here that sells em and would like to know if they are tangiers friendly??
The vendor I use is out of cocomazaya currently and I use way too many japs causing a "silver lining" effect on my carpet.

I will smoke tonight and post up pics of hole pattern, packing and things of that nature.
I feel like with tang it's a process I'm still learning.
So bare with me.

[joytron]

Have you tried the flavors in a small phunnel?

[Nerdy]

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Have you tried the flavors in a small phunnel?
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No, I only have a pico and alien.
I am looking for that small one. (Insert pun here)
I want one for sure though. Just hard to find.
I mean I get smoke but I just feel like the "Holy Moses" reaction ppl get, I'm not experiencing.

Does bowl size make a noticeable difference?

[Skoozle]

A larger bowl will allow more margin for error when packing and the heat management will be easier.

[king_lunchb0x]

i believe eric(guy who makes tagiers) did say the less smoke out of a pico..the smaller the bowl the less there is. I believe thats why he uses mediums or larges at the lounge.
How do you feel about the acclimation? what exactly do you mean by the term "warm", is there a tickle/tingle in the back of your throat? What throws me off is that you said you have had several goods sessions with other flavor. are both noir?

[Nerdy]

[quote name='king_lunchb0x' timestamp='1349980848' post='558298']
i believe eric(guy who makes tagiers) did say the less smoke out of a pico..the smaller the bowl the less there is. I believe thats why he uses mediums or larges at the lounge.
How do you feel about the acclimation? what exactly do you mean by the term "warm", is there a tickle/tingle in the back of your throat? What throws me off is that you said you have had several goods sessions with other flavor. are both noir?
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They are acclimated perfectly. No funky soy sauce smell and only pure cocoa n butterscotch smells. No tickle or tingle I'm not burning the tobacco, when I say they smoke warm, I feel like the flavors on the inhale and exhale are just warmer. I know these are dark flavors and will be rich in taste but that isn't there and that warmth is.

Am I making sense? 😬

[king_lunchb0x]

the tickle/tingle pertains more to acclimation issues, if there is too much heat the tobacco would give off a sulfur plasticy type taste.Hmm so what about packing here is Erics packing scale where do you fall?

So, make sure you have a really solid pack up against the outer edge of the bowl. I have seen recently, through experimentation, bowls that smoke poorly, but have the correct amount of tobacco in, by mashing the tobacco [i]AWAY[/i] from the outer edge.

So, back to the classic 0-10 scale:

5 is perfectly packed, 0 is dreadfully underpacked and 10 is woefully overpacked.

0------Gross underpack- Smoke is very thin, very harsh.
1------Severe underpack- Smoke is whispy, very light and very harsh. May be harsher than a 0-underpack
2------Bad underpack- Smoke is weak, but harsh, slight flavor
3------Underpacked- Smoke is better, still harsh, flavor is better. May cause significant headbuzz from too much nicotine in a short period of time
4------Slight Underpack- Smoke is good, slightly harsh, flavor is good. Still may cause some headache from too much nicotine.
5------Perfect!
6------Slight Overpack- Smoke is good, flavor is slightly off, a little juice may stream down the sides of the bowl (AKA juice streamers), charcoal may stick very slightly to the foil.
7------Overpacked-Smoke is somewhat weak, flavor is somewhat plasticky or sour, more juice seem streaming. Charcoal getting fused to foil and separating. Some juice can be seen bubbling under the holes in the foil near edges.
8------Bad overpack-Smoke is weak, flavor is off and slightly harsh. Numerous streamers. Charcoal fusing to foil very quickly. Juice can be seen bubbling slightly out of the edges of the foil.
9------Severe underpack- Smoke is very thin, flavor nearly non-existant. Numerous streamers, juice bubbling across the foil, in all areas.
10-----Gross underpack- Smoke extremely thin, juice seen oozing through the holes in the foil and following down into streamers

[Coyote]

FYI- sometimes even if the flavour doesn't smell like soy/bbq there can still be something going on with acclimation that prevents full flavour and/or clouds.

[Nerdy]

[quote name='king_lunchb0x' timestamp='1349982763' post='558304']
the tickle/tingle pertains more to acclimation issues, if there is too much heat the tobacco would give off a sulfur plasticy type taste.Hmm so what about packing here is Erics packing scale where do you fall?

So, make sure you have a really solid pack up against the outer edge of the bowl. I have seen recently, through experimentation, bowls that smoke poorly, but have the correct amount of tobacco in, by mashing the tobacco [i]AWAY[/i] from the outer edge.

So, back to the classic 0-10 scale:

5 is perfectly packed, 0 is dreadfully underpacked and 10 is woefully overpacked.

0------Gross underpack- Smoke is very thin, very harsh.
1------Severe underpack- Smoke is whispy, very light and very harsh. May be harsher than a 0-underpack
2------Bad underpack- Smoke is weak, but harsh, slight flavor
3------Underpacked- Smoke is better, still harsh, flavor is better. May cause significant headbuzz from too much nicotine in a short period of time
4------Slight Underpack- Smoke is good, slightly harsh, flavor is good. Still may cause some headache from too much nicotine.
5------Perfect!
6------Slight Overpack- Smoke is good, flavor is slightly off, a little juice may stream down the sides of the bowl (AKA juice streamers), charcoal may stick very slightly to the foil.
7------Overpacked-Smoke is somewhat weak, flavor is somewhat plasticky or sour, more juice seem streaming. Charcoal getting fused to foil and separating. Some juice can be seen bubbling under the holes in the foil near edges.
8------Bad overpack-Smoke is weak, flavor is off and slightly harsh. Numerous streamers. Charcoal fusing to foil very quickly. Juice can be seen bubbling slightly out of the edges of the foil.
9------Severe underpack- Smoke is very thin, flavor nearly non-existant. Numerous streamers, juice bubbling across the foil, in all areas.
10-----Gross underpack- Smoke extremely thin, juice seen oozing through the holes in the foil and following down into streamers
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There is a scale /chart O_o??... Freaking guy has thought of everything.


My sessions are never harsh I usually fall in the 5-6 area of the scale. Mimon, seabuck and cane mint are prefect, with those I do get juice running down my spire and into the base occasionally, but it's just me not being consistent with packing and trying out different methods.

Now cocoa and welsh are always falling into a steady 6 ... I wanna say 6 maybe 7. I do notice that 15 or so minutes in when I rotate coal, the spot where I had the coal would be hard and seems like juice might have boiled over but just slightly.

I love this scale.

+1

[kenshinx23]

gotta love tang and blame the user for bad results.


maybe its a bad batch?

[king_lunchb0x]

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gotta love tang and blame the user for bad results.


maybe its a bad batch?
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in my experience its like you said before the user is the reason for bad results. Many times it is first timers acclimation issues that make them question what they got.

[ChicagoRSX]

I'm with OP on this topic. I never got Welsh Cream to really have a flavor that wow'd me. I didn't think it was my packing/acclimation method as I've had no problem with Orange Soda, Melon Blend, and Blue Gumball. I've nearly worked through 250 grams of it, and while good, it has never really wow'd me. Best case I've gotten some really sweet tasting smoke, worst case, I've gotten a waxy, kinda crayon taste. Just figured the flavor wasn't for me.

[mustang67n]

I agree here. Welsh and cocoa never give me uber great flavor. I know it's my packing method though as I've had a friend pack in my bowl from the same tobacco I was using, and the flavor is OMGJIZZZZ.

I think they're one of those flavors that is more finicky in certain climates maybe? idk.. I just know I'm no good at it lol