Twitchy Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 [IMG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i41/Twitchy_15/20121019_125927_zps447e4fe4.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i41/Twitchy_15/20121019_125903_zpsf61e9478.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i41/Twitchy_15/20121019_125853_zpse9b429da.jpg[/IMG] what do you guys think ? weighs 5.75 pounds for the stem alone .. love the tray but $140 bucks for just the stem is kinda steep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasbahBazaar Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Is that tray welded on?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitchy Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) yes it is lol... pretty retarded , id prefer if it was screw on easier to clean / polish Edited October 23, 2012 by Twitchy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 El Nefes? No thanks. They keep making new versions for improvement on issues, but they just keep fucking up something else that wasn't an issue in the first place (shortened downstem, pull of a KM, and welded-on tray... really??). One step forward, two steps, err, three, back. At least they know to make it with a solid downstem now and not a silly removable one. It'd be wise to wait until v35 comes out, then it might be a good purchase. The price is a bit ridiculous. If I'm gonna pay that much for a Turk, I'd rather go ahead and get an Elmas. As for buying it with a vase, who the hell wants a HJ boho? If a BJ Glassworks vase were included, it'd be a much better deal... but still, not really. Seems like Elmas is still the way to go if you want peace of mind you're getting a quality pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1v3th3ad Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I think its pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitchy Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 agreed, 135 for a bj boho lolz. and its too bad i eventually want a turkish pipe, i know elmas is the way to go but that lotus tray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasbahBazaar Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1350974628' post='559031'] agreed, 135 for a bj boho lolz. and its too bad i eventually want a turkish pipe, i know elmas is the way to go but that lotus tray [/quote] Yea, $135... another one of those times when all these other sites make me think my customers are getting the best of me Haha. And yes, the lotus tray is nice built being welded on is just awful. Only hookahs I've really seen w/ welded on trays are Tunisian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1350973295' post='559029'] El Nefes? No thanks. They keep making new versions for improvement on issues, but they just keep fucking up something else that wasn't an issue in the first place (shortened downstem, pull of a KM, and welded-on tray... really??). One step forward, two steps, err, three, back. At least they know to make it with a solid downstem now and not a silly removable one. It'd be wise to wait until v35 comes out, then it might be a good purchase. The price is a bit ridiculous. If I'm gonna pay that much for a Turk, I'd rather go ahead and get an Elmas. As for buying it with a vase, who the hell wants a HJ boho? If a BJ Glassworks vase were included, it'd be a much better deal... but still, not really. Seems like Elmas is still the way to go if you want peace of mind you're getting a quality pipe. [/quote] I love my El Nefes Pasha Chris. It's beautiful and smokes like a dream. Cleanest welds I've ever seen period, beautiful etchings, wide downstem and ports....... I'd let go of every single pipe in the house before I'd give up the Pasha. I am planning on buying an Elmas after the first of the year, because thanks to the Pasha I've become a fan of Turkish pipes........ But still...... Like I said, looks beautiful and smokes like a dream. The welded on tray is weird though. Maybe because it's so ornate and possibly heavy? 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I like it and the other ones. I just keep reading there are rust issues. Until that's fixed I am gonna stay away. When they do though. Sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I as well will be waiting. It looks nice, sure (though, to be honest, it needs to be taller to look "right" with the lotus tray. Those trays are not light, which means this is one top heavy SOB.). I just don't see much reason to get this when my Papatya looks and smokes and is more durable than this will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 El Nefes just strike me as gigantic copy-failcats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzigner Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1351013239' post='559042'] I like it and the other ones. I just keep reading there are rust issues. Until that's fixed I am gonna stay away. When they do though. Sign me up. [/quote] What rust issues I know in the first batch of Pashas John got there was a piece on the purge ports that had some surface rust issues but was never intended and was corrected. Was there another rust issue? [quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1350974628' post='559031'] agreed, 135 for a bj boho lolz. and its too bad i eventually want a turkish pipe, i know elmas is the way to go but that lotus tray [/quote] No different than what Alex is charging for them except its in a complete package so no one thinks twice about it. They really are good pipes if only your opinion of HJ didnt bias your opinion of them. Dat Tray! [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1350973295' post='559029'] El Nefes? No thanks. They keep making new versions for improvement on issues, but they just keep fucking up something else that wasn't an issue in the first place (shortened downstem, pull of a KM, and welded-on tray... really??). One step forward, two steps, err, three, back. At least they know to make it with a solid downstem now and not a silly removable one. It'd be wise to wait until v35 comes out, then it might be a good purchase. The price is a bit ridiculous. If I'm gonna pay that much for a Turk, I'd rather go ahead and get an Elmas. As for buying it with a vase, who the hell wants a HJ boho? If a BJ Glassworks vase were included, it'd be a much better deal... but still, not really. Seems like Elmas is still the way to go if you want peace of mind you're getting a quality pipe. [/quote] The ones I have are quality pipes. Why is everyone so bent out of shape about the tray not coming off? Not sure why this brand gets so much hatred because its not Elmas is there something some where that says Elmas was the first to create these styles and shall be the only Turkish pipes EVAR! The new Othmani hookahs Bassem is importing are just like these and if I didnt have that style I would snap one up in a heartbeat. He also has a model coming with a lotus tray btw. Anyhow the price is pretty high for a stem only but after discounts its hard to get this heavy and detailed a hookah for the price but that's my 2 pennies. Edited October 23, 2012 by dzigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rani Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='dzigner' timestamp='1351021945' post='559054'] [b]Why is everyone so bent out of shape about the tray not coming off?[/b] Not sure why this brand gets so much hatred because its not Elmas is there something some where that says Elmas was the first to create these styles and shall be the only Turkish pipes EVAR! The new Othmani hookahs Bassem is importing are just like these and if I didnt have that style I would snap one up in a heartbeat. He also has a model coming with a lotus tray btw. Anyhow the price is pretty high for a stem only but after discounts its hard to get this heavy and detailed a hookah for the price but that's my 2 pennies. [/quote] On the bright side, makes it more of a lethal weapon against intruders in the middle of the night, doesn't it? 'Rani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='dzigner' timestamp='1351021945' post='559054'] The ones I have are quality pipes. [b]Why is everyone so bent out of shape about the tray not coming off?[/b] Not sure why this brand gets so much hatred because its not Elmas is there something some where that says Elmas was the first to create these styles and shall be the only Turkish pipes EVAR! The new Othmani hookahs Bassem is importing are just like these and if I didnt have that style I would snap one up in a heartbeat. He also has a model coming with a lotus tray btw. Anyhow the price is pretty high for a stem only but after discounts its hard to get this heavy and detailed a hookah for the price but that's my 2 pennies. [/quote] I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, the tray has to come off. I like being able to simply lift it and dump the ashes instead of completely removing the stem from vase, covering the bottom with paper towel so it doesn't drip on the floor and then tipping the whole thing upside down to dump the ash. If I want to wash just the tray, I can't and it's basically a waste of time, I might as well wash the whole stem. It's just a little annoyance. It's not going to be the end of the world, but it certainly does not make life easy. People like Elmas because they are high quality and have very few issues aside from the odd cosmetic thing (my try rest on my 628 has a bit of a lean). Elmas has been around a long time, and they have had a solid rep. When a company has issues right from the start, of course people are going to be wary of them. It doesn't mean they don't make good pipes, they just make pipes that have issues. When they don't have issues, people will like them. The Lotus tray simply does not look right on most pipes, that's my issue with it becoming so popular. It's too heavy, too large and far too detailed to work on just any pipe. Twitchy said these pipes are just under 6 pounds for the stem/tray? Well, if these trays are anything like the Elmas trays (they are, they look like carbon copies to me, except they are not buffed free of scratches, dents, chips, etc. like on the Elmas. Look at the bottom of it, it looks pretty junky) they weigh about 2-3 pounds on their own. That's far too heavy for a pipe that only weighs a couple pounds. Anyways, that's my issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitchy Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='dzigner' timestamp='1351021945' post='559054'] [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1351013239' post='559042'] I like it and the other ones. I just keep reading there are rust issues. Until that's fixed I am gonna stay away. When they do though. Sign me up. [/quote] What rust issues I know in the first batch of Pashas John got there was a piece on the purge ports that had some surface rust issues but was never intended and was corrected. Was there another rust issue? [quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1350974628' post='559031'] agreed, 135 for a bj boho lolz. and its too bad i eventually want a turkish pipe, i know elmas is the way to go but that lotus tray [/quote] No different than what Alex is charging for them except its in a complete package so no one thinks twice about it. They really are good pipes if only your opinion of HJ didnt bias your opinion of them. Dat Tray! [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1350973295' post='559029'] El Nefes? No thanks. They keep making new versions for improvement on issues, but they just keep fucking up something else that wasn't an issue in the first place (shortened downstem, pull of a KM, and welded-on tray... really??). One step forward, two steps, err, three, back. At least they know to make it with a solid downstem now and not a silly removable one. It'd be wise to wait until v35 comes out, then it might be a good purchase. The price is a bit ridiculous. If I'm gonna pay that much for a Turk, I'd rather go ahead and get an Elmas. As for buying it with a vase, who the hell wants a HJ boho? If a BJ Glassworks vase were included, it'd be a much better deal... but still, not really. Seems like Elmas is still the way to go if you want peace of mind you're getting a quality pipe. [/quote] The ones I have are quality pipes. Why is everyone so bent out of shape about the tray not coming off? Not sure why this brand gets so much hatred because its not Elmas is there something some where that says Elmas was the first to create these styles and shall be the only Turkish pipes EVAR! The new Othmani hookahs Bassem is importing are just like these and if I didnt have that style I would snap one up in a heartbeat. He also has a model coming with a lotus tray btw. Anyhow the price is pretty high for a stem only but after discounts its hard to get this heavy and detailed a hookah for the price but that's my 2 pennies. [/quote] the tray for me is they were removable before so why change that, when it makes polishing and cleaning easier. and about the elmas / el nefes thing.. imagine if farida made exact copies of kms.. sure there still a quality product but there a copy why not have the original especially when its usually cheaper.. i wouldnt buy a boho from alex, but kasbah sells them for 100 dollars. 35 dollars cheapers is huge. not sure what you mean about my bias on hj, i dont care for hj but how am i showing bias at all ? besides stating he has high prices ? i would love to buy this pipe and probably would but hookahjohn doesnt accept credit card from canada so meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 [quote name='dzigner' timestamp='1351021945' post='559054'] [quote name='Stuie' timestamp='1351013239' post='559042'] I like it and the other ones. I just keep reading there are rust issues. Until that's fixed I am gonna stay away. When they do though. Sign me up. [/quote] What rust issues I know in the first batch of Pashas John got there was a piece on the purge ports that had some surface rust issues but was never intended and was corrected. Was there another rust issue? [quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1350974628' post='559031'] agreed, 135 for a bj boho lolz. and its too bad i eventually want a turkish pipe, i know elmas is the way to go but that lotus tray [/quote] No different than what Alex is charging for them except its in a complete package so no one thinks twice about it. They really are good pipes if only your opinion of HJ didnt bias your opinion of them. Dat Tray! [quote name='Chreees' timestamp='1350973295' post='559029'] El Nefes? No thanks. They keep making new versions for improvement on issues, but they just keep fucking up something else that wasn't an issue in the first place (shortened downstem, pull of a KM, and welded-on tray... really??). One step forward, two steps, err, three, back. At least they know to make it with a solid downstem now and not a silly removable one. It'd be wise to wait until v35 comes out, then it might be a good purchase. The price is a bit ridiculous. If I'm gonna pay that much for a Turk, I'd rather go ahead and get an Elmas. As for buying it with a vase, who the hell wants a HJ boho? If a BJ Glassworks vase were included, it'd be a much better deal... but still, not really. Seems like Elmas is still the way to go if you want peace of mind you're getting a quality pipe. [/quote] The ones I have are quality pipes. Why is everyone so bent out of shape about the tray not coming off? Not sure why this brand gets so much hatred because its not Elmas is there something some where that says Elmas was the first to create these styles and shall be the only Turkish pipes EVAR! The new Othmani hookahs Bassem is importing are just like these and if I didnt have that style I would snap one up in a heartbeat. He also has a model coming with a lotus tray btw. Anyhow the price is pretty high for a stem only but after discounts its hard to get this heavy and detailed a hookah for the price but that's my 2 pennies. [/quote] I made the statement about quality because I've seen many bitch about the quality on El Nefes pipes. I haven't seen anyone bitch about the quality on Elmas. Seems like a fair conclusion to make, no? Reason Elmas are the most popular and most sought after Turkish pipes is because they have a reputation for high quality. You know what you're getting when it comes to Elmas. El Nefes or any other Turkish brand, that simply isn't the case. It's kind of a shot in the dark. Are there other excellent quality Turk pipes out there besides Elmas? Sure, of course. But if you just buy an Elmas, there's no guess work involved. There's only peace of mind. And who ever was it that said Elmas were the ones to make these styles first? You're the first person I've seen say this. We have no idea who made these styles first. As I'm to understand, the most common 628 style Elmas is the most copied Turkish style hookah over there. We have no idea who thought of or manufactured it first. As for the tray, the manufacturers of the pipe are fucking stupid. I can't even imagine what they were thinking... "Okay, so we solved the customer complaints about the downstem. We made it solid, no longer removable." "Cool, but we gotta do some more changes... How about we widen the gauge so it smokes like an Egyptian pipe, and while we're at it, go ahead and weld on the lotus trays? Oh, and shorten the solid downstem. That way the pipe will smoke like a KM, will have a hard time fitting large vases such as the Battal, and customers won't have to worry about unscrewing the tray everytime they clean it." "Excellent idea!" No... fucking stupid. As for price, these are known as copycats compared to Elmas, so shouldn't they really be a bit cheaper? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Well most things have already been stated. People like what they like, I, like many here prefer Elmas. I own 5 Elmas pipes, and seriously, every single one smokes exactly the same. Every single one is perfect. I don't hate El Nefes and It doesn't matter if they copied so and so, but what does matter is looks, smoking style, and consistency. Just like tobacco, Nak is my go to because every fricking single time it is a piece of cake to get monster clouds and perfect flavor, it just makes life easy. And with Elmas that is what you get, with El Nefes, not always the case. And I understand they are working on making changes etc for our customer base over here. But for goodness sake change what the customers asked to change, don't change that, plus other random stuff nobody asked for. And the other thing, I get that they are making a Turkish pipe "modern" but how the heck can it be considered a Turkish pipe when it smokes like a KM? My view is if it looks like a Turkish pipe, it better smoke like one. But that is just me, I have a collection, and in my collection I want my pipes to reflect what the countries intend for it was based not only on looks but how it smokes too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I agree with most of what's been said here. I love the turkish style pipes. Maybe one day I'll buy one, but if i do el nefes won't get the buy unless they change some things... I hate the short downstems and the wide guage.. welded on tray is pointless and hinders more than it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeetsak Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 im assuming the hose port was made smaller because it is the same port that is on the smaller hookahs (pasha and gazi). Im guessing this was done to reduce cost and streamline production. This is not a problem is it still fits larger hoses like a KM rainbow hose. The KM rainbow hose that i have is so large that it does not have the most firm fit in my genaric egyption pipe (hose port is just a bit smaller than my KM) so i ask anyone who knows... does a km rainbow hose fit into a pasha or gazi? If it does my guess is it will fit into these new Sultans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang67n Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 IDK skeet. But my KM rainbow fits fine into my syrians and they have rather small ports as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeetsak Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 my hose also fits my nawras butt not as well as i would like it too. so much so that i dont like to use it together becasue after passing the hose bak and form it has the tendency to wiggle loose. i also think my nawras port is larger than this onw in question. This one looks smaller than anything ive ever owned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitchy Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 im cool with the hose port if it can fit nammors / nogooms and such comfortably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasbahBazaar Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='skeetsak' timestamp='1351045418' post='559120'] my hose also fits my nawras butt not as well as i would like it too. so much so that i dont like to use it together becasue after passing the hose bak and form it has the tendency to wiggle loose. i also think my nawras port is larger than this onw in question. This one looks smaller than anything ive ever owned [/quote] What kind of gasket do you use? Wet paper towel is my preference but the Syrian hose gaskets have worked great for me when having problems. [img]http://www.hookah-shisha.com/store/pc/catalog/Hookah-Hose-Grommet-L.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dzigner Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Twitchy' timestamp='1351047457' post='559126'] im cool with the hose port if it can fit nammors / nogooms and such comfortably [/quote] It looks like the same one the other models have so it should fit. I use a mya grommet on them and it will fit a Narb/KM/Fancy Hose fine, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twitchy Posted October 24, 2012 Author Share Posted October 24, 2012 hopefully looking forward to some reviews, would love to have one wish hj would accept credit card from canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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