headhunter Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 So guys here is whats up alot of you know that i bought myself a 628 for my Birthday, i was wondering, for those of you that have an elmas/use the standard male clay bowl how you pack it/how many coals you use. I am having some troubles, i mean with my KM i can manage the heat fine with a variety of bowls. On the elmas though i seem to be having more problems. I have tried fluffy, mid and tight packing for Nak and Tang w/either two or three halves of CCN, but it always seems harsh. When i can't take it any longer i pull the foil off and only the top layer of Mu'assel is crusty, the lower parts are still moist but not as much as before. So my deductions are either the unglazed bowl is having some effect, the bowls smallness is just causing shorter sessions than what i am used to (usually using a small tang phunnel), or i am using to much heat. Thanks guys. ~Headhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Well I'm the self-appointed male clay bowl expert, so let's see.... For an Elmas bowl, pack Nakhla reasonably dense, AF, Mizo, and other stuff less dense (but not super fluffy either). Do not bother with Tangiers unless you have a male funnel or an adapter. I usually go 2 full Razan coals, sometimes 3. Lying down if Nakhla, standing up if something more delicate, until the coals burn down then I lay them flat. Don't overpack on these bowls and you should be able to get about 2 hours out of them, with everything reasonably dry by the end of session. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 ok, thanks Hass i shall try this and report back my success and/or failures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chreees Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I do it as Hass suggests and it works flawlessly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Same here, works like a dream. It's like living in a dream world. It's like you're stuck in the dream and you can't wake up. You're in the dream right now. You're still in it, even though you stopped smoking yesterday. Is the dream ever going to end? It was all a dream, I used to read Word Up! magazine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 FYI, I did what I described last night and got 2 full rounds of 2 coals, with windcover on more often than not, only losing flavor towards the end of the 2nd round. Empty the bowl out, the tobacco is definitely all spent, though it isn't crispy all the way down. Had I put 3 coals on, it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naviafra Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 There is only one way to pack an Elmas bowl. And this is how the turks themselves pack the bowl. Fill the bowl up do not pack it just overfill it loosely. Gently press the tobacco down and align it with the bowls edges. Now you have to emulate a phunnel bowl. With a toothpick make a hole in the middle of the tobacco all the way down. The hole should be as big as as your pinky finger so feel free to use it as well. Pack the tobacco just enough so it doesn't fall apart when you set the foil on top. Now you don't need heat management put three full sized cocobricos and smoke. No burning no harsh taste. If anyone didn't get it just ask for a picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 [quote name='naviafra' timestamp='1352389929' post='560356'] There is only one way to pack an Elmas bowl. And this is how the turks themselves pack the bowl. Fill the bowl up do not pack it just overfill it loosely. Gently press the tobacco down and align it with the bowls edges. Now you have to emulate a phunnel bowl. With a toothpick make a hole in the middle of the tobacco all the way down. The hole should be as big as as your pinky finger so feel free to use it as well. Pack the tobacco just enough so it doesn't fall apart when you set the foil on top. Now you don't need heat management put three full sized cocobricos and smoke. No burning no harsh taste. If anyone didn't get it just ask for a picture [/quote] Never done it like this, routinely get 2-3 hour sessions from a regular elmas bowl. As they say, "there is more than one way to skin a cat". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naviafra Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 True. But the only reason I use the method I described is because tobacco never gets burned. And no harsh taste at all. Might be good for newbies as well Skickat från min GT-N7100 via Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawhee Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1352397469' post='560369'] [quote name='naviafra' timestamp='1352389929' post='560356'] There is only one way to pack an Elmas bowl. And this is how the turks themselves pack the bowl. Fill the bowl up do not pack it just overfill it loosely. Gently press the tobacco down and align it with the bowls edges. Now you have to emulate a phunnel bowl. With a toothpick make a hole in the middle of the tobacco all the way down. The hole should be as big as as your pinky finger so feel free to use it as well. Pack the tobacco just enough so it doesn't fall apart when you set the foil on top. Now you don't need heat management put three full sized cocobricos and smoke. No burning no harsh taste. If anyone didn't get it just ask for a picture [/quote] Never done it like this, routinely get 2-3 hour sessions from a regular elmas bowl. As they say, "there is more than one way to skin a cat". [/quote] Thats true, ive seen chuck testas vids, and seriously there are a lot of ways to skin a cat, or other things, its amazing really. Also, I had a turkish clay bowl once (on my first pipe which was destroyed by careless parents) and a nice fluffy over the brim pack, evened down to the edge with the palm of my hand and then just tightly foiled seemed to do great... really these unglazed clay bowls are pretty sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judy Oma Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Unglazed clay bowls for the win! I will try the "turkish pack", but honestly Elmas bowls, unglazed clay in general, seem very forgiving. Oh and hi, Bawhee. I have missed thee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 well thanks for all the replies guys lol, and i shall try the Turkish way tomorrow and i tried Hass's way and it worked fine guess i was just underpacking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='headhunter' timestamp='1352425471' post='560426'] well thanks for all the replies guys lol, and i shall try the Turkish way tomorrow and i tried Hass's way and it worked fine guess i was just underpacking [/quote] Just don't go crazy with the overpack. I always do it that way, but you have to watch how much you put in. Sprinkle it in as lightly and fluffy as you can until it's about 1-2cm above the rim of the bowl, then squish it with your hand to just a bit below the rim. I always have fantastic results like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawhee Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Judy Oma' timestamp='1352424167' post='560419'] Unglazed clay bowls for the win! I will try the "turkish pack", but honestly Elmas bowls, unglazed clay in general, seem very forgiving. Oh and hi, Bawhee. I have missed thee. [/quote] Yeah, its been a while, but im back and postwhoring again [quote name='aeon' timestamp='1352427907' post='560429'] [quote name='headhunter' timestamp='1352425471' post='560426'] well thanks for all the replies guys lol, and i shall try the Turkish way tomorrow and i tried Hass's way and it worked fine guess i was just underpacking [/quote] Just don't go crazy with the overpack. I always do it that way, but you have to watch how much you put in. Sprinkle it in as lightly and fluffy as you can until it's about 1-2cm above the rim of the bowl, then squish it with your hand to just a bit below the rim. I always have fantastic results like that. [/quote] Thats how I pack all my bowls except for the phunnel. it just works no matter what. Though I alter the density based on the tobacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
â€On Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 [quote name='Bawhee' timestamp='1352458825' post='560472'] Thats how I pack all my bowls except for the phunnel. it just works no matter what. Though I alter the density based on the tobacco [/quote] Likewise. It just seems to be the packing method that seems to work the best for just about everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I tried doing this with my elmas bowl tonight and it worked with nak, was pretty good, but I can get much better beast clouds with my phunnel. Nak just likes a real tight pack IMHO and you can only pull that off with a phunnel. I do think the flavor is a little better out of the elmas bowl though. I will try packing it a little tighter and see what my results are. I do think it is a great bowl for a shorter session and I am gonna buy a couple battal boy bowls and like 20 regular sized bowls (they are only 1.11 each) from nargilestore when I place my next order with them. That way I can use each bowl for a specific flavor which is a plus! Do you guys find you can get the same clouds from the elmas bowl as you do from say a small, mini, or pico phunnel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share Posted November 10, 2012 [quote name='mattarios2' timestamp='1352520629' post='560591'] I tried doing this with my elmas bowl tonight and it worked with nak, was pretty good, but I can get much better beast clouds with my phunnel. Nak just likes a real tight pack IMHO and you can only pull that off with a phunnel. I do think the flavor is a little better out of the elmas bowl though. I will try packing it a little tighter and see what my results are. I do think it is a great bowl for a shorter session and I am gonna buy a couple battal boy bowls and like 20 regular sized bowls (they are only 1.11 each) from nargilestore when I place my next order with them. That way I can use each bowl for a specific flavor which is a plus! Do you guys find you can get the same clouds from the elmas bowl as you do from say a small, mini, or pico phunnel? [/quote] Yeah i have, i tried hass's suggestion last night and managed to get pretty great clouds and absolutely great flavor and not once did it get harsh, twas a good night lol thanks guys. And 1.11?? jeez thats cheep O.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 fooo shoooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naviafra Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Try this method and lemme know what you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassouni Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 looks very underpacked to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naviafra Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Just try it mate :-) Skickat från min GT-N7100 via Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I agree, way too under packed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naviafra Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 You can pack as much or as little u want. The hole in the middle is the important part. Try it out. Pack it how you like Skickat från min GT-N7100 via Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattarios2 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Well I don't have issues with air flow with the Turk bowl, the only advantage to adding that massive hole is air flow when you do that with that type of bowl. I am sure it works well, just not quite necessary if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naviafra Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 True not quite necessary however I posted that for the guys on the thread that had problems with harsh taste as this technique is the easiest for beginners as it generates zero harsh taste and burning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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