Public Hookah Smoking Ban for UK

[ioannisds]

The notion of second hand smoke making other people ill/die is complete crap. Am I the only one that saw the episode of Penn and Teller's show arguing this very point?[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8052758379654103954"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8...758379654103954[/url]

[Sonthert]

Yeah, as I always say. If statistics help your case, you include them. If they hurt your case, you omit them. In the instance of the recent report by the Surgeon General on the dangers of second hand smoking, there are no statistics on how second smoke increases deaths and illnesses...because the statistics don't exist...except obviously fake ones. The real statistics, as Penn and Teller state, show that second hand smoke does not statistically increase someone's chance of morbidity/mortality. What bugs me is that the Surgeon General is publishing reports that are incontradiction to empirical evidence and they aren't pointing out that the statistical evidence indicates second hand smoke doesn't increase risks. Thats our tax dollars being used for someone to grind an axe. The Surgeon General should be publishing fair, unbiased reports that descibe the information at hand, accurately and let people decide for themselves.

[cafedelmar]

^^ Just like these guys only include information that supports their side of the story.This debate can rage on for a long time with science to prove both sides. I actually don't know what side I'd agree with, we've all been told for so many years that second hand smoke is bad for you. Yet how many of us have actually read the journal articles for either side? More than anything emotion and money is once again clouding judgement.Thanks for posting this though, interesting stuff once you filter out the bias.

[frontmanpb101]

remember remember, the 5th of november...blow up parliament and excersize your right to smoke ::tup::and i say it doesnt even make sense to close down a smoking establishment...unless i'm just misunderstanding, and it's outlawing smoking on the streets.

[MrGuy]

they went for a public places smoking ban (e.g. indoor places) but i remember reading somewhere that was rejected for a full ban (but that was prolly just a bad nightmare)But i think its just a ban on smoking in public places, e.g. no designated smoking area's or anything. But if that is that case maybe the same loophole will apply as ontario.

[Guest LondonShisha]

One Caveat that might work is that 'Private clubs' or bars are exempt from the smoking ban. This could mean that if you had some sort of 'membership', shisha lounges could have member only areas that you could smoke shisha in. I'm no expert on this, so does anyone else have a better explanation of this?

[GQ_Playboy]

[quote name='LondonShisha']One Caveat that might work is that 'Private clubs' or bars are exempt from the smoking ban. This could mean that if you had some sort of 'membership', shisha lounges could have member only areas that you could smoke shisha in. I'm no expert on this, so does anyone else have a better explanation of this?[/quote] no thats true.... alot of night clubs do that here in toronto, if you want to smoke they club will give you a membership card and you can smoke indoors....

[Donkeema]

as far as i know, my local shisha lounge is planning to go 'private' as soon as the ban kicks in so it should be alright.all you have to do is give your name, address and telephone number and your a member!

[MrGuy]

good stuff, i'll make sure i tell the local lounges lol

[erik]

Here in Sweden, private clubs are also affected by the smoking ban. So you should verify what the upcoming law has to say about it.